BvS The Batsuit Thread - - - Part 19

[NoLaNitE007]

It's nice to see some excitement around here instead of those doldrums we were in before. A little batsuit goes a long way.

Yeah. I said away for awhile until real news hit. Low and behold we get a BADASS BEASTLY Batsuit that hits the mark!

The Bat Mobile looks BADASS and BEASTLY also.

 

[Par Avion]

Difference is, I see pros and I can argue against various cons in one. Not at all the same deal with the yellow belt. You suggested they were equivalent, I'm suggesting one is is a less then perfect attempt at practicality the other is purely artistic.

Just like the black bat emblem you haven't been able to justify as practical beyond speculation and theoretical metaphor. I don't know why you're so hard up to admit that the character has a ton of artistic flourishes (that may or may not have an imagined practicality behind them) It doesn't diminish or weaken the character in any way.

That settles it then, I clearly misread your post. Seemed pretty clear to me what you meant by 'everything' but there is no accounting for either hyperbole or sarcasm or 'kidding'. I try my best. I'm sure some things are there for fun. Such as the yellow belt or the briefs, I just don't agree about the things you listed is all. I also think batman has more practical suits for more practical jobs. Practicality doesn't mean perfect otherwise our local law enforcement would wear far more than a hollow point protective vest and combat boots alone...with a badge on their chest to boot.

That's right. It's not reality, it's fantasy. My last post was exceedingly clear in explaining artistic license and it's precedence over "functionality" in regards to a fantastical superhero character. If you cannot accept the artistic conceit of a belt that is not black, but readily accept every other aspect of the character, then I am sorry for you.

You responded to an argument against yellow/gold and suggested they were being in a sense hypocritical. Also, I've personally never seen 'subdued bronze or brown' belt in these movies. If memory serves it may have been the same level of brightness level as the yellow on Cavils S/Belt, hard to say.

Not exactly bright. No more so than the skin of his face anyway. Since we're back on this subject, can you please post some examples of the comics/film or other media wherein Batman is "given away" or "exposed" by his yellow/bronze/gold belt, seeing as it is such a tactical disadvantage? You'd think it being the most tactically disadvantageous thing about his costume would have cropped up somewhere in the last 75 years...

From the start I argued all those things are very at least make an attempt or are can be explained within narrative logic. We clearly don't agree. Moreover, changing those things would be a grave departure from the source, whereas the the belt not so much, thus the user's frustration was very much tangible. Anyways, cheers to you too.

As I explained, all of these character flourishes were reverse engineered after decades of stories. Suddenly the bat emblem becomes a target for his enemies to shoot at, and his ears contain a radio, and his cape allows him to fly, etc...None of which stem from the character's inception- (or even for decades after) All out of a desperate need for adults to validate and "make sense" of and something that is visually/stylistically dynamic, but inherently ridiculous (a superhero in a costume fighting super criminals).

I still find it funny that apparently, to you, the most "unrealistic" thing about Batman is the colour of his utility belt!

 

[Boom]

I can only assume that, given the amount of action this movie and Justice League will undoubtedly have, Snyder would never sign off on a batsuit that wouldn't allow Affleck and the stuntman to do what they need to do.

 

[Smallville13]

As I explained, all of these character flourishes were reverse engineered after decades of stories. Suddenly the bat emblem becomes a target for his enemies to shoot at, and his ears contain a radio, and his cape allows him to fly, etc...None of which stem from the character's inception- (or even for decades after) All out of a desperate need for adults to validate and "make sense" of and something that is visually/stylistically dynamic, but inherently ridiculous (a superhero in a costume fighting super criminals).

I'll just say that in defense of Marvin, unless the direction is like the Scott Pilgrim film, it is sometimes harder to swallow some elements on film the way we just accept them in the comics. So they do get compromised, explained or 'realized in grim/gritty' for the big screen.

 

[SpideyFan866]

Kevin Smith's already confirmed it's a black cape & cowl and logo.

Plus, the monochrome really sets the mood while still teasing us.

When?

 

[hafizbat]

Aren't the Ironman suit's CG?

Not completely.

 

[Young Superman]

exactly because it's not like anyone else made comics faithful suits

t Love these suits. The Reeve Superman suit was faithful to the comics as well.

 

[Par Avion]

Par Avion's dead on.

The more you take these costumes to utility and practicality you end up with not a superhero costume.

The exposed chin/lips for Batfeck makes less sense cause Affleck or Bruce has a pretty identifiable chin cleft. The cape is just pure fantasy having it work in a real-world context. On this it looks like it's the fabric of Faora's cape, which works better for Batman than the cloth of Bale and Cavill's capes.

Exactly! Thank you! I think that it might be a case of being so close to the character that one might not be able to see the forest for the trees, y'know?

I have to have a laugh when someone insists that a bronze utility belt is the most unrealistic aspect of the Batman character.

 

[I am Batman]

Not completely.

Gah that brings up another point. I hope that Affleck wears the suit for most of the movie. I'm sick and tired of seeing superheroes out of their costumes for large portions of their movies. Be like Cap, don't take it off.

 

[Par Avion]

I'll just say that in defense of Marvin, unless the direction is like the Scott Pilgrim film, it is sometimes harder to swallow some elements on film the way we just accept them in the comics. So they do get compromised, explained or 'realized in grim/gritty' for the big screen.

Oh totally, but I don't think a utility belt being bronze is going to be the straw that breaks the camel's back (As proven by the previous trilogy). I need my fiction to have consistent internal logic- not necessarily real world logic (especially when it comes to superheroes and the lot).

 

[I am Batman]

t Love these suits. The Reeve Superman suit was faithful to the comics as well.

Reeve's suit was faithful but in all honesty I lump it in the same catagory as the Dead End suit: low quality.

 

[RAE072]

Gah that brings up another point. I hope that Affleck wears the suit for most of the movie. I'm sick and tired of seeing superheroes out of their costumes for large portions of their movies. Be like Cap, don't take it off.

What if there's a scene or two that requires Bruce Wayne to walk around in daylight?

 

[I am Batman]

What if there's a scene or two that requires Bruce Wayne to walk around in daylight?

I don't mean literally all the time. I don't mind seeing Bruce Wayne some of the time but I read and watch Batman to see Batman. A trend I've seen in a lot of superhero films is that they focus a lot on heroes outside of their suits. I don't know maybe the filmmakers think people will take the movie more seriously if they reduce the costumed escapades to just the action scenes. I want to see more of my superheros being superheroes in their suits.

 

[I SEE SPIDEY]

I have to chuckle everytime somebody posts "I hope he can move in the suit." You can criticize Snyder for a lot of things and doubt him overall as a director but the man cares about his fight scenes. Noway he would allow an "elbows only" unmovable suit in his film. Only thing I will say is that I hope he only sparingly uses a digital double for Batman because Batman is human.

 

[hafizbat]

Nite Owl got around pretty good. This is one thing I'm not worried about at all. If he wasn't agile enough Snyder wouldn't be satisfied and would never have signed off on the costume.

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Everyone always posts that clip as what we can expect Batman to fight like, but I honestly don't think the fighting in that clip is impressive at all. Perhaps I have a different idea of how Batman should move, but slow-motion and dramatic posing after each kick is not how I see Batman at all...

He needs to be fast and powerful. Each blow should feel bone-crunching, and he needs to be very, very fast. The easiest way to improve the fighting from the TDK trilogy is to make Batman much faster (with A LOT more variety in his movements) than the brawling, slow and heavy stuff we got.

The fight choreography in TWS was absolutely fantastic, and I hope Snyder goes for a similar style with Batfleck. Weird as it sounds, I hope Batfleck is much more like Faora than Nite-owl.

 

[hafizbat]

I have to chuckle everytime somebody posts "I hope he can move in the suit." You can criticize Snyder for a lot of things and doubt him overall as a director but the man cares about his fight scenes. Noway he would allow an "elbows only" unmovable suit in his film. Only thing I will say is that I hope he only sparingly uses a digital double for Batman because Batman is human.

I have rather mixed feelings. It is undeniable that Snyder is a man of visuals and will put a lot of effort into the Bat-action. At the same time, I feel that he's given a free pass too often because of his reputation as a visual mastermind.

I myself wasn't really overwhelmed with the fight scenes in Watchmen (the overall aesthetic was gorgeous tho). 300 was great, but the slow-motion was a bit too much for me. MoS was his finest outing yet (action-wise) so thats encouraging.

I suppose my feelings could be summed up like this: I have very high hopes for Snyder's Bat-action, but at the same time I don't think anyone can guarantee it'll be the best Batman action we've ever seen (that honor goes to the Arkham games. They are the gold standard.)

 

[DvilDog]

Everyone always posts that clip as what we can expect Batman to fight like, but I honestly don't think the fighting in that clip is impressive at all. Perhaps I have a different idea of how Batman should move, but slow-motion and dramatic posing after each kick is not how I see Batman at all...

He needs to be fast and powerful. Each blow should feel bone-crunching, and he needs to be very, very fast. The easiest way to improve the fighting from the TDK trilogy is to make Batman much faster (with A LOT more variety in his movements) than the brawling, slow and heavy stuff we got.

The fight choreography in TWS was absolutely fantastic, and I hope Snyder goes for a similar style with Batfleck. Weird as it sounds, I hope Batfleck is much more like Faora than Nite-owl.

I definitely enjoyed the fight scenes in TWS. I actually expect Snyder to one up those.

 

[hafizbat]

Gah that brings up another point. I hope that Affleck wears the suit for most of the movie. I'm sick and tired of seeing superheroes out of their costumes for large portions of their movies. Be like Cap, don't take it off.

Captain America is an exception as he is a full time superhero. It's basically his job description. Any superhero with a secret identity/alter ego will be without costume for a significant portion of the time...it's a part of their character. And I for one am almost as excited to see Bruce Wayne as I am to see the Batman.

 

[Smallville13]

Oh totally, but I don't think a utility belt being bronze is going to be the straw that breaks the camel's back (As proven by the previous trilogy). I need my fiction to have consistent internal logic- not necessarily real world logic (especially when it comes to superheroes and the lot).

Yep. Snyder seems to be really embracing the spirit of the comics with the image too. Batman should look and feel like dark fantasy.

Another aesthetic choice I like is the larger chest emblem, as it's all scuffed up, Snyder got to dually pay respect to his fav version of the character (DKR), and have something that looks like it's another plate of armor covering a large area to protect against bullets.

 

[I am Batman]

I have rather mixed feelings. It is undeniable that Snyder is a man of visuals and will put a lot of effort into the Bat-action. At the same time, I feel that he's given a free pass too often because of his reputation as a visual mastermind.

I myself wasn't really overwhelmed with the fight scenes in Watchmen (the overall aesthetic was gorgeous tho). 300 was great, but the slow-motion was a bit too much for me. MoS was his finest outing yet (action-wise) so thats encouraging.

I suppose my feelings could be summed up like this: I have very high hopes for Snyder's Bat-action, but at the same time I don't think anyone can guarantee it'll be the best Batman action we've ever seen (that honor goes to the Arkham games. They are the gold standard.)

Yeah seriously those trailers for the games made by Blur studios have some of the best action I've ever seen. The arkham origins trailer should be an instruction manual to Snyder on how to do action in a Batman movie.

 

[Par Avion]

Everyone always posts that clip as what we can expect Batman to fight like, but I honestly don't think the fighting in that clip is impressive at all. Perhaps I have a different idea of how Batman should move, but slow-motion and dramatic posing after each kick is not how I see Batman at all...

He needs to be fast and powerful. Each blow should feel bone-crunching, and he needs to be very, very fast. The easiest way to improve the fighting from the TDK trilogy is to make Batman much faster (with A LOT more variety in his movements) than the brawling, slow and heavy stuff we got.

The fight choreography in TWS was absolutely fantastic, and I hope Snyder goes for a similar style with Batfleck. Weird as it sounds, I hope Batfleck is much more like Faora than Nite-owl.

Totally agree. The fighting in that clip, aside from being a bit more show-offy, isn't too far of a departure from Nolan's Batman (editing makes a HUGE difference). Yes, TWS is a great example.

I'd love for something edited well (no shaky cam or tons of quick cuts), that clearly displays Batman's fighting skills without being too gratuitous. Though good job on Snyder for eliminating the needless speed up-slow downs from MoS (now if we could only ease up on the snap-zooms!).

 

[BvS117]

Everyone always posts that clip as what we can expect Batman to fight like, but I honestly don't think the fighting in that clip is impressive at all. Perhaps I have a different idea of how Batman should move, but slow-motion and dramatic posing after each kick is not how I see Batman at all...

He needs to be fast and powerful. Each blow should feel bone-crunching, and he needs to be very, very fast. The easiest way to improve the fighting from the TDK trilogy is to make Batman much faster (with A LOT more variety in his movements) than the brawling, slow and heavy stuff we got.

The fight choreography in TWS was absolutely fantastic, and I hope Snyder goes for a similar style with Batfleck. Weird as it sounds, I hope Batfleck is much more like Faora than Nite-owl.

I think the alley fight in the Watchmen might be more to your liking. Sorry for the weird foreign voice VO it's the only video I found on youtube:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=evrbXKspeAs

 

[I am Batman]

Totally agree. The fighting in that clip, aside from being a bit more show-offy, isn't too far of a departure from Nolan's Batman (editing makes a HUGE difference). Yes, TWS is a great example.

I'd love for something edited well (no shaky cam or tons of quick cuts), that clearly displays Batman's fighting skills without being too gratuitous. Though good job on Snyder for eliminating the needless speed up-slow downs from MoS (now if we could only ease up on the snap-zooms!).

Not to mention camera angles. There were so many times in TDK and TDKR that I could tell that punches never made contact or that stuntmen were waiting for their cue to attack.

 

[NoLaNitE007]

Can't wait to hear some of the complaints about this suit

Or can I??

 

[Stringer]

Gah that brings up another point. I hope that Affleck wears the suit for most of the movie. I'm sick and tired of seeing superheroes out of their costumes for large portions of their movies. Be like Cap, don't take it off.

I agree, but I'm not sure if it's allowed to cover up Chris Evans' face for long periods of time during his Cap movies.