The BATSUIT Thread

[Boom]

I mean, this thread is going to be a pretty boring place for the next year or so if people are just expecting a clone of the Snyder/Wilkinson suit.

Look, it's great that we finally got a comic book faithful black and grey suit. But I don't want us to fall into the same trap as before where the batsuit concept gets stuck and we don't see innovation for years on end. We have a new creative vision in Matt Reeves, and a franchise that will presumably be divorced from the current DCEU. Keep pushing the envelope.

 

[C Prometheus]

Not sure why, but I'm not crazy about the idea of the blue/grey suit in place of blck/grey.

I'd really have to see a great, fully-realized concept of it to get on board.

Same here. I don't think the Blue-Grey look would work well in a live action Batman film, so it'd need to be a damn good design to sell me on the look.

Honestly, I think the most likely way to get a bit of color back into the Batsuit is to bring back the yellow. I doubt we'll ever get the oval bat-emblem again, but I could see Reeves possibly implementing the "yellow outline over the giant bat-emblem" look that Batman's been sporting lately in DC Rebirth.

Whether Reeves would ever go for that look, I have no idea, but it seems more likely to me than the full-blown yellow oval emblem coming back.

A few days ago, someone suggested in another thread that the next Batsuit should take influence from the outfits in Tron: Legacy in regards to being more flexible and what-not. I think that'd actually be a pretty good angle to go in for a leaner-looking, more flexible armor type Batsuit design.

 

[Gamma Goliath]

As long as it's not a bobble head jigsaw suit and all black. My only criteria is black and grey, preferably no oval, can be cloth, could also be more armory. As i said before I wouldn't mind something similar to Bermejo's design. Classic without being something we've ever seen.

 

[Sawyer]

Not sure why, but I'm not crazy about the idea of the blue/grey suit in place of blck/grey.

I'd really have to see a great, fully-realized concept of it to get on board.

I feel like, with the blue-grey combo, you'd have to go so dark with the shade of blue to make it work, that you might as well just go black.

 

[C Prometheus]

I feel like, with the blue-grey combo, you'd have to go so dark with the shade of blue to make it work, that you might as well just go black.

Exactly. I feel like you'd probably have a better chance of it working if you switched out the grey with the blue, rather than the black. And even then, it'd probably need to be a darker shade of blue to work.

 

[The Batman]

Look, it's great that we finally got a comic book faithful black and grey suit. But I don't want us to fall into the same trap as before where the batsuit concept gets stuck and we don't see innovation for years on end.

Or the trap of thinking that something can't be done just because we haven't seen it be done before, which was the problem with those who'd argue against a more faithful suit back in the day.

 

[C Prometheus]

Or the trap of thinking that something can't be done just because we haven't seen it be done before, which was the problem with those who'd argue against a more faithful suit back in the day.

I mean, personally speaking, I think my argument was always more that a more faithful looking suit would just be boring onscreen. Which I still think is true. It's cool to see Affleck look like he jumped straight out of The Dark Knight Returns and all, but I can always just read TDKR to get that same effect.

For me, it's more interesting to see how other people can think up new ways of how to interpret Batman's design in a cinematic setting. When Telltale Games is offering a more unique look at how Batman appears visually than its blockbuster cinematic counterpart, something's up.

 

[Boom]

I mean the dark navy color used for the Captain America costumes works very well in daytime and nighttime settings. And blue complements grey very well.

I also think it depends on how exactly you want Batman to be portrayed. The last couple of movies have leaned heavily on the idea of Batman as a vigilante, urban legend, and creature of the night, in which case the black worked very well. If you want to push Batman more towards the direction of a public superhero, where he's a well-known and established figure among Gotham's citizens, then I think that opens the door for blue.

I think the public superhero angle would also give them a chance to give us more of a sports car Batmobile.

 

[AndrewGilkison]

I think its high time that we get the comic book style lenses. If we can do it for Spider-Man and Deadpool we can damn sure do it for Batman.

Bruce Wayne is a celebrity in the DC universe, everyone knows what he looks like. Why would he ever want anyone to get a good look at Batman's eyes?

 

[C Prometheus]

I mean the dark navy color used for the Captain America costumes works very well in daytime and nighttime settings. And blue complements grey very well.

I also think it depends on how exactly you want Batman to be portrayed. The last couple of movies have leaned heavily on the idea of Batman as a vigilante, urban legend, and creature of the night, in which case the black worked very well. If you want to push Batman more towards the direction of a public superhero, where he's a well-known and established figure among Gotham's citizens, then I think that opens the door for blue.

I think the public superhero angle would also give them a chance to give us more of a sports car Batmobile.

That makes way more sense now. It could probably work under those circumstances then. However I don't think we're going to see Reeves shift Batman away from that darker angle.

I do think he'll put way less emphasis on Batman beating the hell out of criminals, but given his noted desire to steer the films more in a noir direction and his own background with horror film and narrative inclinations, "Superhero Batman" seems like an ill-fit for these films... Especially if there's any truth to that rumor that Reeves' specific inspirations for The Batman are David Fincher's Se7en, The Game and Zodiac.

 

[Astro13Zombie]

I think the public superhero angle would also give them a chance to give us more of a sports car Batmobile.

YESSSSSSSSSS

I’ve been wanting that for awhile.

I’m tired of these giant,loud, tank like batmobiles.
I want something sleek and fast.

 

[C Prometheus]

I think its high time that we get the comic book style lenses. If we can do it for Spider-Man and Deadpool we can damn sure do it for Batman.

Bruce Wayne is a celebrity in the DC universe, everyone knows what he looks like. Why would he ever want anyone to get a good look at Batman's eyes?

I'd normally completely agree with you on this, as I've been thinking the same thing for ages now. But if Jake Gyllenhaal lands the part, I think it's in everyone's best interests for them to keep the eyes the way they've been doing it. It's too central a part of Gyllenhaal's style of acting, I think.

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[AndrewGilkison]

I'd normally completely agree with you on this, as I've been thinking the same thing for ages now. But if Jake Gyllenhaal lands the part, I think it's in everyone's best interests for them to keep the eyes the way they've been doing it. It's too central a part of Gyllenhaal's style of acting, I think.

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Just another reason I don't want them to cast Gyllenhaal for the role.

 

[Astro13Zombie]

Just another reason I don't want them to cast Gyllenhaal for the role.

Explain

 

[AndrewGilkison]

Explain

I like Gyllenhaal as an actor. I just don't like him for Batman.

 

[Boom]

I wouldn't mind retractable lenses for intimidation/defensive purposes, but not as a permanent fixture.

When the actor's head is 75% covered by a sculpted rubber mask, the eyes are simply too important.

 

[Boom]

That makes way more sense now. It could probably work under those circumstances then. However I don't think we're going to see Reeves shift Batman away from that darker angle.

I do think he'll put way less emphasis on Batman beating the hell out of criminals, but given his noted desire to steer the films more in a noir direction and his own background with horror film and narrative inclinations, "Superhero Batman" seems like an ill-fit for these films... Especially if there's any truth to that rumor that Reeves' specific inspirations for The Batman are David Fincher's Se7en, The Game and Zodiac.

I mean all we really know is that Reeves wants to tell an emotional, POV-driven, noirish detective story. Those were his words.

He hasn't said anything yet that points to a overly dark, realistic take on the character. Everything he described above is still perfectly attainable with a comic book aesthetic and with a more public-friendly Batman.

All that talk about taking inspiration from Fincher is just rumors at this stage.

 

[AndrewGilkison]

I wouldn't mind retractable lenses for intimidation/defensive purposes, but not as a permanent fixture.

When the actor's head is 75% covered by a sculpted rubber mask, the eyes are simply too important.

I don't agree. Batman is supposed to be this larger than life scary urban legend that makes criminals piss their pants. He's supposed to be a mysterious creature of the night. Why would Bruce Wayne ever want a criminal in Gotham to get a look at his eyes while he's Batman?

I can understand why earlier live action incarnations of the character didn't do it. But as Deadpool and the MCU Spider-Man have proven, we have the technology now to give expression to the lenses so they are not lifeless. I would use the Deadpool approach and CGI them, which would give you the ability to play with them in post.

I am sick of holding onto the same philosophy that the 60's show and the 1989 movie and the Nolan movies had when creating Batman's cowl. Its old and stale. I want the lenses. I want a different take on creating Batman's cowl in the next movie.

 

[C Prometheus]

I mean all we really know is that Reeves wants to tell an emotional, POV-driven, noirish detective story. Those were his words.

He hasn't said anything yet that points to a overly dark, realistic take on the character. Everything he described above is still perfectly attainable with a comic book aesthetic and with a more public-friendly Batman.

All that talk about taking inspiration from Fincher is just rumors at this stage.

I don't know if he'd go for a more "realistic" take or not, but I would definitely bank on Reeves continuing the trend of a darker portrayal of Batman. Just look at his filmography from Cloverfield onward. Two horror films and two post-apocalyptic science fiction films. His films tend to be pretty damn bleak.

His description for The Batman so far doesn't overtly point to a darker film and can just as easily be accomplished with a more comic book-y/superhero Batman. I don't argue against that at all. The thing is that Reeves as a director doesn't seem to be the type to go in that sort of direction. I can definitely see him characterizing Bruce/Batman in a more positive way than the gun crazy take Snyder went with, perhaps even in a similar way to how he characterized Caesar (which is a comparison he's made before). But I don't think it's likely he'll deviate so drastically away from the darker side of Batman.

 

[Loden Greatstorm]

I can't wait to see the new costume in July....

 

[Astro13Zombie]

I can't wait to see the new costume in July....

Huh?

SDCC?

 

[Sawyer]

Really like for folks to stop pulling timetables out of their asses...

 

[Loden Greatstorm]

Really like for folks to stop pulling timetables out of their asses...

Well maybe if you knew a thing or two the world would be a better place.

 

[FatRobin]

I love how this place spent forever complaining about not being given black and grey, and now it's just like "Ugh, black and grey. Where's the blue?"

Go back to all black, because it's what y'all deserve.

Really like for folks to stop pulling timetables out of their asses...

I like your posts so much

Btw, just wanna chime in and say that I've loved everything about this Batman aesthetic-wise. The Batsuit may look too bloated and stiff at times, sure, especially in those promo pictures and magazine covers. But I would never want them to change anything so drastically. If they can reinvent the suit and give us something good that we haven't even thought of before, cool. But please don't ditch the organic black/gray approach that this suit has. Hell, I even love the boxy pouches on his belt, I think they look fresh and more like utility pouches than the Burton and Nolan ones.

I also can't fathom the thoughts of changing everything (even the Batmobile and Alfred and Gordon ) when what we've had are just glimpses of what his world can be. We haven't had a decent story with this Batman at the center, with all these elements and designs. So I want to see what it can be. If it sucks, then I'm fine with a total overhaul. But to dispose all these undeveloped and potential elements at such a premature state, especially with talents like Irons and Simmons, is such a waste, imo.

 

[Brian Braddock]

So yeah, I finally got to see JL last night and the undersuit people have referred to on here definately looked good to me, so much so that I was actually sitting there imagining it without the black panels and with a yellow oval.