The BATSUIT Thread

[Dark Raven]

Instead of only a choice between white eyes or having black (or blue) makeup around his eyes, why can't part of the cowl be done by CG/ MoCap markers?

That way they can film it with Pattinson using eyeholes as big as the other batsuits so that he can see clearly. However, in place of the raccoon eye makeup, he could have markers there. Then that bit could be filled in during post production so that it looks like his eye holes are smaller and Batman won't have to wear dark eye makeup.

If he had a blue cowl then, they could easily fill that bit in with CG. He can also occasionally have lenses that drop down.

Marvel CG a lot of the other costumes for their movies. They can easily get a cowl that has the perfect proportions and look with the best eyeholes.

 

[Blade Hoarder]

Sure they can. You just have to have the vision and will for it.

 

[Tasogare Sebei]

I just want that iconic imagery of Batman perching over a building shrouded in darkness with nothing but white glowing eyes visible View attachment 25249
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Imagine how eerie it would be for a criminal to look up and see that

It's time
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The special effects crew should research how animal eyes refract light at night and design lenses that mimic that effect like in the following images:
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Such a design can work like contact lenses to allow the eyes to emote within the cowl's eye openings. You have the best of both elements.

 

[godisawesome]

I say you have the white eyes be contacts that he can activate and deactivate. That way you can combine the best fo both worlds, and maybe even have Bruce Wayne use them as well.

As important as acting is with the eyes, and guys like Bale and Keaton proved they knew how to use their eyes to enhance their performance, the iconic death glare from the shadows is too awesome to keep passing up.

 

[Gamma Goliath]

I always liked that the bvs concept art had white contacts In. But that bit about the animal eyes is clever. I'd love to see a scene where batman had the glowing eyes In the dark, and as he steps forward into the light you see his regular eyes. But getting the audience to understand that without there being too much exposition on it would be important I feel. But maybe not. Maybe people would just take it.

 

[Marvel united]

Just give him the white eyes. Why does it have to be milky contact lenses or illuminated animals eyes smh.



Just make them CG so Pattinson can still blink and use his eyelids. As a matter of fact, go the extra mile and give him a prosthetic cowl for brow movement

 

[cryptic name]

Prosthetic cowl could be very interesting.

 

[rockandrollsoul]

Please, no "emotive" mask. I'm not saying it can't be done well, but what plausible reason is there for Batman to have an expressive cowl? His cowl serves only a few purposes: conceal his identity, protect his skull, and intimidate.

I guess one could argue that an emotive cowl could help with intimidation, but that would only require slight expressiveness and it just seems like a stretch that Batman would prioritize such a thing.

 

[Invader Joker]

Please, no "emotive" mask. I'm not saying it can't be done well, but what plausible reason is there for Batman to have an expressive cowl? His cowl serves only a few purposes: conceal his identity, protect his skull, and intimidate.

I guess one could argue that an emotive cowl could help with intimidation, but that would only require slight expressiveness and it just seems like a stretch that Batman would prioritize such a thing.

I feel he'd as it would feed into the creature of the night thing

 

[rockandrollsoul]

I feel he'd as it would feed into the creature of the night thing

I don't know... I guess if it was really subtle, I wouldn't mind. It just doesn't seem all that necessary to me.

 

[Marvel united]

Please, no "emotive" mask. I'm not saying it can't be done well, but what plausible reason is there for Batman to have an expressive cowl? His cowl serves only a few purposes: conceal his identity, protect his skull, and intimidate.

I guess one could argue that an emotive cowl could help with intimidation, but that would only require slight expressiveness and it just seems like a stretch that Batman would prioritize such a thing.

Theatricality: the power of belief that the Batman is something more than human. More than just a guy in a rubber mask. That's the only explanation you need for an emotive mask and it would fall in line perfectly with the concept of Batman.

They already pulled off an emotive cowl in Begins

 

[rockandrollsoul]

Theatricality: the power of belief that the Batman is something more than human. More than just a guy in a rubber mask. That's the only explanation you need for an emotive mask and it would fall in line perfectly with the concept of Batman.

They already pulled off an emotive cowl in Begins

But his mask reveals the lower half of his face is human. Unless you're suggesting they go full-on demon like the Begins scene.

 

[BattleAngel]

Just give him the white eyes. Why does it have to be milky contact lenses or illuminated animals eyes smh.

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Just make them CG so Pattinson can still blink and use his eyelids. As a matter of fact, go the extra mile and give him a prosthetic cowl for brow movement

I’m definitely a story over style guy, but I would probably thought a lot more kindly of BvS had Batman looked like that, lol.

 

[Marvel united]

But his mask reveals the lower half of his face is human. Unless you're suggesting they go full-on demon like the Begins scene.

No, I mean using the same method they used on the toxin Batman on the cowl. It would look closer to this

 

[Loden Greatstorm]

I haven't haha

Yeah it was last year sometime.

Anyways... I hope it isn't true.

 

[Loden Greatstorm]

No, I mean using the same method they used on the toxin Batman on the cowl. It would look closer to this View attachment 25295

Yes... so much YES!

 

[TheGuy]

Too much of the cheeks is exposed in that mask.

 

[Boom]

At the very least, I'd be curious to see tests of a prosthetic cowl, just to see what it'd actually look like. I suppose there's the risk that it could look wonky.

 

[Random490]

At the very least, I'd be curious to see tests of a prosthetic cowl, just to see what it'd actually look like. I suppose there's the risk that it could look wonky.

I a had a thought years ago that using face prosthetic would be the best way to make a live action version of the costume. But I think have an moving cowl like that would be too distracting and somewhat uncanny valley territory since we know that's not how a mask reacts to a brow moving. I also think it would be a fairly wasted effort because Batman isn't that much of an expressive character. Unlike say, Spider-man or Deadpool who both have very expressive personalities. The cgi on Deadpool's mask doesn't make any actual huge movements but still comes off as over the top and that fits the character. Batman's performance is usually much more subtle.

That's why I would not want the eyes covered up, you need to understand where Batman is looking and what he's thinking and whiting out the eyes takes that away. For scene focusing on his detective skills that's pretty important. Cinefix's video, 5 Brilliant Moments In Film covers why that's important and I can't imagine an entire live action film not having that and working. But I always loved the idea of white lenses like Detective vision, it gives us the best of both without compromising either. I think that could make some really great intimidation scenes. Picture a smoke filled room, Batman's silhouette and subtle glow of his eye as walks towards you.

 

[FunkMiller]

The bat suit is meant to be armour. He doesn't want to come across as ‘expressive’. A moving prosthetic cowl does not fit the character, and would frankly look a bit bollocks.

 

[batman_1989_]

They should make a cowl as comfortable as possible for the actor , because every one from Keaton to Affleck has complained about that . I don't know about the materials they should use , but I think that they should take some cues from the classic cowls, design wise :

 

[Jekecy]

The bat suit is meant to be armour. He doesn't want to come across as ‘expressive’. A moving prosthetic cowl does not fit the character, and would frankly look a bit bollocks.

That could be debatable. The focus on armor, particularly the obvious design integration, didn't come into mainstream play until Nolan's films and the Arkham series. Every other iteration always put focus squarely on just conforming to a "Batman look". Any references to armor were always incidental, and never overtook the aesthetic.

 

[cryptic name]

They should make a cowl as comfortable as possible for the actor , because every one from Keaton to Affleck has complained about that . I don't know about the materials they should use , but I think that they should take some cues from the classic cowls, design wise :

A lot of elements of Kilmer's suit and especially cowl are pretty great and worth more consideration. The nips and kind of ridiculous musculature kinda dominate what is otherwise a pretty dope suit.

 

[B]

They should make a cowl as comfortable as possible for the actor , because every one from Keaton to Affleck has complained about that . I don't know about the materials they should use , but I think that they should take some cues from the classic cowls, design wise :

Affleck's cowl, at least in BvS, actually looked flexible to the point were he could turn his head somewhat more freely than some of his predecessors.

Bale's 'cowl' from TDK/TDKR wasn't really a cowl as it didn't look connected at the neck meaning he looked to be able to have a full range of motion turning left to right with his head.. but the one negative thing about that at least in my eyes was because it wasn't all connected it made his neck look quite narrow in some shots.

The bat suit is meant to be armour. He doesn't want to come across as ‘expressive’. A moving prosthetic cowl does not fit the character, and would frankly look a bit bollocks.

I agree with what you've said, but as @Boom said, I'd still be curious to see how it actually would look.

 

[Omegabat]

Arkham Origins or Telltale suits should be the inspiration imo.

Not sure about the eye thing but at the same time even the Arkham games did away with the white eyes.