The BATSUIT Thread

[Gamma Goliath]

I'll say with a handful of better guided decisions things could've turned out alot better than they did.

 

[harrier1215]

I'm still mortified they thought HE was the man to give the keys to the kingdom of a whole cinematic universe.

Would've been one thing if he was just one of a number of directors they used. Again, MOS was FINE but the direction they went with MOS was the problem. I'm also more a fan of Batman stories staying with Gotham and not being world/intergalatic kind of stories.

 

[harrier1215]

I'll say with a handful of better guided decisions things could've turned out alot better than they did.

That's a big hand and some big decisions though.

 

[SwordOfMorning]

I would've been accepting (not okay with, but accepting) if Snyder gave the killing as much weight as it should've had. If it was portrayed as Batman crossing the line and it leading to a redemption arc after he's inspired again by Superman, I would've been fine. In fact, my belief was that Snyder intended that, but didn't make it apparent enough and left it too interpretative.

Then he basically said that anyone who believes Batman shouldn't kill is a naive moron who lives in a dreamworld.

Ahem.

**** Zack Snyder.

Snyder theoretically intends Batman's excessive violence to be a bad thing, the script certainly intends it to be anyway though Chris Terrio's genre writing is so broad and ill-defined it becomes borderline abstract, once upon a time I suspected Snyder's poor narrative skills were obfuscating Terrio's potentially fascinating writing but Rise of Skywalker told me otherwise, I'm a little amazed more hasn't been made of how similar the fundamental storytelling issues are between those two films. The problem is that Snyder thinks Batman killing is also rad as hell and probably the way it should be, I have no doubt in my mind that if Snyder had his druthers Batman killing would be his default instinct. His self-consciously hardcore and violent aesthetics are at war with his questionably sincere desire to explore the darker side of these characters in a meaningful, tragic way.

I actually think Bruce branding especially vile criminals and indirectly getting them killed in prison is far more effective at conveying how far he's fallen than dropping goons left and right. It's not my preferred take on the character but with strong writing there's a great tragedy to be explored there.

The death of Robin is also less of a factor in the actual film than it should be, it feels more prominent because of how powerful that shot of the suit is and how well Affleck conveys a sense of tragic history but the actual screenplay implies his violence is based in how powerless the Battle of Metropolis made him feel.

 

[Boom]

I feel like I opened a door here that I didn't intend to. With my previous post, I was taking a jab at the more extreme Snyder cultists. I didn't intend for this conversation to devolve into an attack on Zack Snyder or his fans in general.

The Snyder talk is best taken somewhere more appropriate. Let's try and get this thread back on course.

 

[harrier1215]

I feel like I opened a door here that I didn't intend to.

With my previous post, I was obviously jabbing at the more extreme Snyder cultists. I didn't intend for this conversation to devolve into an attack on Zack Snyder or his fans in general.

We have a Batman reboot specifically because he ****ed up the character and an entire Movie Universe in the first place. Him and DC/Warner Bros can't get out of their own way too often. Look at the bizarre production/marketing strategy of whatever the hell WB Montreal is working on regarding Batman.

 

[gohei_]

Regarding the next official look at the suit, personally I think it would be epic to have it be a shot of Bruce sitting in the cave in front of his computers from behind. That way you would get a somewhat good look at the ears as well as the cape, and whatever info is on the computer screens could give hints to the plot of the story.
For added humor, show 2 or 3 plates of untouched food sitting cold at a table nearby.

 

[TheGuy]

Ha. Bats denying or foregoing food is a staple in the comics. Yet we haven't got that yet in live action?

 

[gohei_]

Ha. Bats denying or foregoing food is a staple in the comics. Yet we haven't got that yet in live action?

I mean, it's funny and is meant to show that he "doesn't have time" to eat but it's also pretty rude towards poor Alfred.

 

[TheGuy]

I mean, it's funny and is meant to show that he "doesn't have time" to eat but it's also pretty rude towards poor Alfred.

I don't think it's rude to Alfred, unless Bats condescendingly denies the food. Most of the time it's done in humor or due to busyness. What it shows is that Bats is wholly dedicated to the crime fighting and no spare time is wasted to solve cases, even for food.

 

[Maze]

It's not apparently from The Batman, i dont know the source, it's from a poster on twitter, Mikhail Villarreal

 

[WatchProtect]

That matches the short hair on the sides and a little bit of Fringe,m description the leaker on Reddit spoke about. Maybe it got out early somehow?

Edit: Nevermind I found the original source, it's from a Dior ad

 

[Captain Tired]

For added humor, show 2 or 3 plates of untouched food sitting cold at a table nearby.

It's vichyssoise, sir.

It's supposed to be cold...

 

[Jig96v]

We have a Batman reboot specifically because he ****ed up the character and an entire Movie Universe in the first place. Him and DC/Warner Bros can't get out of their own way too often. Look at the bizarre production/marketing strategy of whatever the hell WB Montreal is working on regarding Batman.

The reboot is happening because Affleck left, and I suspect they will avoid anything that directly contradicts it being canon to Batfleck outside of casting. At least for the first movie.

 

[Invader Joker]

The reboot is happening because Affleck left, and I suspect they will avoid anything that directly contradicts it being canon to Batfleck outside of casting. At least for the first movie.

That's thrown out of the window by the fact that this movie takes place in modern day.

Spoiler

Riddler face times someone. It got confirmed by the verified leaker on Reddit.

 

[harrier1215]

That's thrown out of the window by the fact that this movie takes place in modern day.

Spoiler

Riddler face times someone. It got confirmed by the verified leaker on Reddit.

I'm actually all for a standalone Batman Universe without aliens, without God-like beings etc...

 

[Maze]

And Jeffrey Wright as Gordon, Andy Serkis as Alfred...

 

[Spider-Aziz]

I'm actually all for a standalone Batman Universe without aliens, without super powered beings etc...

Don't we have three or four universes like that?

1. 66 Batman
2. 1989-1997 Batman
3. Christopher Nolan's Batman
4. Beware the Batman (animation, maybe)

And now we can probably add the Matt Reeve's version. I'm ready for a good live action version of Batman with these elements.

 

[Captain Tired]

Amen.

 

[Gamma Goliath]

I think it would be quite an accomplishment if Reeves could pull off the small, quiet noir style story while still having fantastical elements. Things like the Lazarus pit, mr. Freeze, and a more subtle clay face could be done without taking all the way outside of the "grounded" feel. Just a matter of blending these elements without an over complicated story.

 

[Captain Tired]

Sounds like a CW show, when you put it like that.

 

[Urich Leeds]

I think it would be quite an accomplishment if Reeves could pull off the small, quiet noir style story while still having fantastical elements. Things like the Lazarus pit, mr. Freeze, and a more subtle clay face could be done without taking all the way outside of the "grounded" feel. Just a matter of blending these elements without an over complicated story.

The comics have done it forever. And perhaps the most complete/well rounded adaptations of Batman (Batman: The Animated Series and the Batman: Arkham games series) have also done so and incredibly well. And this movie seems to take a decent amount of inspiration from those versions of the character, so at this point there's no reason for them not to embrace those elements of Batman's world.

It does a disservice to the Batman character to pretend characters like Ivy, Freeze, Clayface (or the wider supepowered world) don't exist, or ground them to an extent they start to feel unrecognizable. Like Bane in The Dark Knight Rises, who felt very confused creatively due to Nolan wanting to ground the character in that realistic version of the world, while retaining some of those fantastical elements.

The dark, grounded nature of the character juxtaposed with the highly theatrical, and somtimes fantastical nature of Gotham and its villains is what makes Batman so interesting. You simply lose something when you lean too far in one direction.

We're way past due for a live action version of Batman (on film) that accomplishes that balance.

 

[craigaat]

It's vichyssoise, sir.

It's supposed to be cold...

I'm watching Returns and that scene just happened as I was reading it!

 

[DKDetective]

The comics have done it forever. And perhaps the most complete/well rounded adaptations of Batman (Batman: The Animated Series and the Batman: Arkham games series) have also done so and incredibly well. And this movie seems to take a decent amount of inspiration from those versions of the character, so at this point there's no reason for them not to embrace those elements of Batman's world. I

It does a disservice to the Batman character to pretend characters like Ivy, Freeze, Clayface (or the wider supepowered world) don't exist, or ground them to an extent they start to feel unrecognizable. Like Bane in The Dark Knight Rises, who felt very confused creatively due to Nolan wanting to ground the character in that realistic version of the world, while retaining some of those fantastical elements.

The dark, grounded nature of the character juxtaposed with the highly theatrical, and somtimes fantastical nature of Gotham and its villains is what makes Batman so interesting. You simply lose something when you lean too far in one direction.

We're way past due for a live action version of Batman (on film) that accomplishes that balance.

 

[harrier1215]

Don't we have three or four universes like that?

1. 66 Batman
2. 1989-1997 Batman
3. Christopher Nolan's Batman
4. Beware the Batman (animation, maybe)

And now we can probably add the Matt Reeve's version. I'm ready for a good live action version of Batman with these elements.

And they've all been great.