The BATSUIT Thread

Bale in Begins was beastly and intimidating, but much less so in TDK and TDKR.

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I would take Begins Bale in a fight over any of the other live-action Batmen.
15 years later, I still remember sitting in the theater by myself on opening morning and being jolted at seeing Batman yell. It’s overused now, but it genuinely caught me off guard. I’d never seen Bats so angry before. It was uncharted territory.

Wish this type of peak energy was in much smaller doses throughout the series. Rather than being a standout of Bale's iteration, it became a mockery of itself.
 
it's probably bale's best and most memorable moment as batman.
it's too bad he did not reign in the voice for the sequels.
but other than voice issues, overall he still is the best batman to me.

batfleck still has the best fight scene though.

we will see how battinson does. i am excited from what we've seen so far.
his suit, bat-voice, and brutal fighting style. it all looks promising.
 
We often say that Batman Begins feels a bit "removed" from the rest of the trilogy, especially when it comes to the visuals, but I'm tempted to say the same for Batman portrayal. Not thematically, but in the way Bale played him. Beyond the change of voice and suit, this Batman, to me, just had a different rhythm in his speech or the way he moves.
Not really a complain but as personal preference, I think I liked what Bale did in this first chapter better.
 
it's probably bale's best and most memorable moment as batman.
it's too bad he did not reign in the voice for the sequels.
but other than voice issues, overall he still is the best batman to me.

batfleck still has the best fight scene though.

we will see how battinson does. i am excited from what we've seen so far.
his suit, bat-voice, and brutal fighting style. it all looks promising.

I completely disagree about that. Nolan is weak at shooting hand to hand fighting and Snyder is in some ways better at it, but the warehouse scene is far from a high standard and fails for me in a lot of ways. First, it forgets character and feels like it has minimal stakes. Batfleck just goes in and brutalizes everyone and feels superhuman doing everything. He is shot in the head point blank and stabbed and it doesn't even slow him down. Second, none of the rules of physics apply. The part where Batfleck uses the grapple gun to somehow swing a crate over him looks laughable bad and on wires. It is just as bad as any slow, artificial looking choreography from Nolan. Last and most importantly, it doesn't feel like a Batman action scene. It is too brutal and callous and fails to use the action to tell us more about our hero.

In contrast, in spite of sonar vision issues and Nolan's characteristic choreography problems, I find the Prewitt Building set-piece a much more satisfying, true to character, and dramatic as a Batman set-piece:

Batman is at odds with the GCPD because he is the only one who truly understands the situation. He has to multi-task between defeating the Joker and his thugs, preventing the SWAT teams from accidentally killing hostages, and rescuing said hostage. It is a much better conceived set-piece and is more satisfying because we get to see Batman be his best and be everything we love about Batman. The core to any good action set-pieces is a strong sense of your hero and devising a challenge that best accentuates that hero. It is half the brilliance of Spielberg's setpieces from Raiders of the Lost Ark. At the end of each chase or fight, you are left grinning, internally chuckling to yourself something to the effect of "Only Indy!" Snyder never inspired that in me.
 
Here's a treat as we reminisce about Bale in Begins. I thought the suit looked particularly striking in this shot. Imagine seeing this creature at the end of an alley. From the making of documentary for the TDK trilogy WB recently posted.

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That suit looked great in some shots, horrendous in others. Weirdest suit to me in any Batman movie.
 
One thing I do prefer about Bale's cowl is the smaller eye openings. Despite the issues (bobblehead, beak nose, tiny mouth opening), the cowl was perfect around the eyes. I loved that, at times, you could only see a speck of light surrounded by darkness.

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With the new cowl, the large eye openings make Pattinson look a tiny bit derpy imo.

The eye openings aren't that dissimilar in size. Its the lighting that's giving you that affect there.

Right, but no matter the lighting, we never really saw as much of Bale's eyeballs compared to what we've seen of Pattinson so far. The TDK/R suit always gave the eyes a distant and intense look. Maybe its more to do with the expression of the cowl than the size of the openings?

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I think it's also the fact that Bale himself is squinting while in the suit It really helps that the expression on the cowl matches what's shown in the eyes. The other cowls, even the Batfleck one which I love, the expression on the cowl is just that, an expression, while the person's eyes are kinda relaxed, so it gives the impression that yea, it's a mask. But Bale? That cowl was him.
 
that was the best scene in spider-man homecoming to me.
good sense of tension.
and in an odd way, i was sort of rooting for keaton's vulture.
he's a bad guy, but he was someone who started out trying to make a decent living and got screwed over by the rich and powerful.
from a certain point of view, he did what he had to provide for his family and the people working under him.
very relatable.
Absolutely!
 
I completely disagree about that. Nolan is weak at shooting hand to hand fighting and Snyder is in some ways better at it, but the warehouse scene is far from a high standard and fails for me in a lot of ways. First, it forgets character and feels like it has minimal stakes. Batfleck just goes in and brutalizes everyone and feels superhuman doing everything. He is shot in the head point blank and stabbed and it doesn't even slow him down. Second, none of the rules of physics apply. The part where Batfleck uses the grapple gun to somehow swing a crate over him looks laughable bad and on wires. It is just as bad as any slow, artificial looking choreography from Nolan. Last and most importantly, it doesn't feel like a Batman action scene. It is too brutal and callous and fails to use the action to tell us more about our hero.

In contrast, in spite of sonar vision issues and Nolan's characteristic choreography problems, I find the Prewitt Building set-piece a much more satisfying, true to character, and dramatic as a Batman set-piece:

Batman is at odds with the GCPD because he is the only one who truly understands the situation. He has to multi-task between defeating the Joker and his thugs, preventing the SWAT teams from accidentally killing hostages, and rescuing said hostage. It is a much better conceived set-piece and is more satisfying because we get to see Batman be his best and be everything we love about Batman. The core to any good action set-pieces is a strong sense of your hero and devising a challenge that best accentuates that hero. It is half the brilliance of Spielberg's setpieces from Raiders of the Lost Ark. At the end of each chase or fight, you are left grinning, internally chuckling to yourself something to the effect of "Only Indy!" Snyder never inspired that in me.


the bvs warehouse scene is still my favorite batman fight scene because i enjoy the choreography and cinematography so much in it. and batman's just destroys everyone in that fight. though yea, that part where throws the crate with the grapple gun does look ridiculous.

and yes, i do agree in terms of characterization and emotional stakes, the prewitt building fight in tdk is superior. nolan's set up and build up to that scene is also better. it's just that i wish lot of the camera work and choreography was better in it.
 
That suit looked great in some shots, horrendous in others. Weirdest suit to me in any Batman movie.

The way I see it, the design was excellent, but the materials were not. If the same design was mobile and made of better materials, it would have been the best live-action suit imo. But you can clearly see its a rubber suit at times, which makes it look a lot worse.
 
I completely disagree about that. Nolan is weak at shooting hand to hand fighting and Snyder is in some ways better at it, but the warehouse scene is far from a high standard and fails for me in a lot of ways. First, it forgets character and feels like it has minimal stakes. Batfleck just goes in and brutalizes everyone and feels superhuman doing everything. He is shot in the head point blank and stabbed and it doesn't even slow him down. Second, none of the rules of physics apply. The part where Batfleck uses the grapple gun to somehow swing a crate over him looks laughable bad and on wires. It is just as bad as any slow, artificial looking choreography from Nolan. Last and most importantly, it doesn't feel like a Batman action scene. It is too brutal and callous and fails to use the action to tell us more about our hero.

In contrast, in spite of sonar vision issues and Nolan's characteristic choreography problems, I find the Prewitt Building set-piece a much more satisfying, true to character, and dramatic as a Batman set-piece:

Batman is at odds with the GCPD because he is the only one who truly understands the situation. He has to multi-task between defeating the Joker and his thugs, preventing the SWAT teams from accidentally killing hostages, and rescuing said hostage. It is a much better conceived set-piece and is more satisfying because we get to see Batman be his best and be everything we love about Batman. The core to any good action set-pieces is a strong sense of your hero and devising a challenge that best accentuates that hero. It is half the brilliance of Spielberg's setpieces from Raiders of the Lost Ark. At the end of each chase or fight, you are left grinning, internally chuckling to yourself something to the effect of "Only Indy!" Snyder never inspired that in me.


Despite Nolan's clear limitations in fight choreography, Bane's beatdown of Batman was incredibly effective too. Yeah, when you analyze it the choreography is weak, but you could damn well feel each punch when watching it for the first time in IMAX.
 
Bale in Begins was beastly and intimidating, but much less so in TDK and TDKR.

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I would take Begins Bale in a fight over any of the other live-action Batmen.
People mock the **** out of that scene but if you look at it from Flass's perspective it is ****ing horrifying. If only Bale had saved the full on Bat-rage voice for these type of scenes.

It's such a pity because Bale has a great quieter voice in a few scenes of Begins and honestly I think Bale's normal American accent would be a great Batman voice.
 
I completely disagree about that. Nolan is weak at shooting hand to hand fighting and Snyder is in some ways better at it, but the warehouse scene is far from a high standard and fails for me in a lot of ways. First, it forgets character and feels like it has minimal stakes. Batfleck just goes in and brutalizes everyone and feels superhuman doing everything. He is shot in the head point blank and stabbed and it doesn't even slow him down. Second, none of the rules of physics apply. The part where Batfleck uses the grapple gun to somehow swing a crate over him looks laughable bad and on wires. It is just as bad as any slow, artificial looking choreography from Nolan. Last and most importantly, it doesn't feel like a Batman action scene. It is too brutal and callous and fails to use the action to tell us more about our hero.

In contrast, in spite of sonar vision issues and Nolan's characteristic choreography problems, I find the Prewitt Building set-piece a much more satisfying, true to character, and dramatic as a Batman set-piece:

Batman is at odds with the GCPD because he is the only one who truly understands the situation. He has to multi-task between defeating the Joker and his thugs, preventing the SWAT teams from accidentally killing hostages, and rescuing said hostage. It is a much better conceived set-piece and is more satisfying because we get to see Batman be his best and be everything we love about Batman. The core to any good action set-pieces is a strong sense of your hero and devising a challenge that best accentuates that hero. It is half the brilliance of Spielberg's setpieces from Raiders of the Lost Ark. At the end of each chase or fight, you are left grinning, internally chuckling to yourself something to the effect of "Only Indy!" Snyder never inspired that in me.


So, personal opinion. I think the Warehouse Fight in BvS could have been enormously improved with one significant change: reverse the order. Have Batman arrive in the room with Martha Kent and rescue her from imminent harm *first*, with the mass battle coming after as he clears the way for her to escape. Functionally, the whole scene isn't really about stakes in the first place, but catharsis, establishing Batman's return to his true heroic nature. It doesn't need to put the rescue last, because the rescue is not in doubt. This way, you avoid the plot holes vis a vis "Why is this plan a good idea when rescuing a hostage under the gun?", while also improving the thematics a bit.

You still might need to touch up the dodgy effects and reduce the number of people he absolutely 100% killed, bit it'd be a big step up.
 
I'm still curious about the forearm gauntlets and what the objects on them serve. Like are they meant to be grapnel lines or darts or something similar?
 
Actually I'm pretty sure they're meant to distribute licorice during his moments of fatigue and physical exhaustion. :smgs:
 
Don't really like how busy it looks. Perfect from the neck up though.

It looks great to me. It's not busy at all like Bale's Lego man suit to me. The detailing is just superficial. Because of the matte texture of the suit, the detailing and designs do not stand out, under film lighting, they blur together and just give the suit texture and prevents its from looking like plain spandex or something. The MCU did the same thing with Cap's best costumes.
 
It looks great to me. It's not busy at all like Bale's Lego man suit to me. The detailing is just superficial. Because of the matte texture of the suit, the detailing and designs do not stand out, under film lighting, they blur together and just give the suit texture and prevents its from looking like plain spandex or something. The MCU did the same thing with Cap's best costumes.

now that you bring it up, battinson's suit does feel like a batman version of the mcu cap america suits.
looks practical but still retaining that comic book feeling.
 
I think the difference is, i don't see it as "busy". Busy, to me, means "filled with unnecessary texture details that don't actually do or mean anything". The back of this costume doesn't have any non-functional detailing, it just has the straps and fabric of physical costume itself, clearly involved in how the suit fits together and provides flexibility.
 
Busy is not the word I would use. It looks like they went for a more practical utilitarian look. But that's only based off of onset candids.
 
It looks great to me. It's not busy at all like Bale's Lego man suit to me. The detailing is just superficial. Because of the matte texture of the suit, the detailing and designs do not stand out, under film lighting, they blur together and just give the suit texture and prevents its from looking like plain spandex or something. The MCU did the same thing with Cap's best costumes.

Yeah, I agree that it won't make a difference on film. Especially the back which would be covered by the cape.

Just looking at it in a vacuum though, they're clearly going for a sense that this suit is made up of many different bits and pieces that were stitched together. Which I understand. Just don't prefer it.

I think it looks busier than Cap's MCU suit. Especially the arms, which are the most egregious part to me.
 

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