The Best and Worst Moments of Infinite Crisis

[Pksoze]

Whenever I want to read a big epic story again, I'll just gather my hundreds of IC comics and read them again. It's amazing how well this has been planned. It's been leading up to this for years. Which leads me to this question: Has Geoff Johns been behind this for a few years, and orchestrating the events that have happened in the DCU, or has it been all of DC working together to plan this and Geoff only happened to get to write the main series?

Johns said Rucka, Loeb, & Winnick helped him with the planning.

And everything from that issue in Superman/Batman where Luthor states there will be a Crisis has helped build it up.

 

[ToddIsDead]

I know the Superman/Batman issue kind of kicked everything off. That and Graduation Day, but I'm curious about the remark that Lex made. How would he know? The only way it makes sense to me is that it could have been Alex Luthor in disguise, like he was during Villians United. Maybe someone could elaborate for me.

 

[Pksoze]

I know the Superman/Batman issue kind of kicked everything off. That and Graduation Day, but I'm curious about the remark that Lex made. How would he know? The only way it makes sense to me is that it could have been Alex Luthor in disguise, like he was during Villians United. Maybe someone could elaborate for me.

Loeb said that was just his way of using Luthor as a mouthpiece to tell the readers that something big would come up.

 

[ToddIsDead]

Okay, I got it now. Thanks.

 

[Kurosawa]

Your CT is ironic given the original definition of the word.

Not really.

 

[The_Mystery]

I think someone allready hit it, but this pannel got to me the most:

It just reflects the true epic nature of the event, how out of control everything has gotten.

People, people, please. Batmans is not crying there. He's sweating. Not tears. Sweat.

 

[The Leaguer]

People, people, please. Batmans is not crying there. He's sweating. Not tears. Sweat.

No, he's crying.

 

[The_Mystery]

No, he's crying.

No, look at the picture again. The SWEAT is coming from his nose and chin. Tears wouldn't come down that way. They would get caught inbetween his mask and face. He's sweating. OR the tears would come directly from his eye. Batmans is in an intense situation where a computer is basically telling him that he can't save his "son" and he's sweating.

 

[Darthphere]

No, look at the picture again. The SWEAT is coming from his nose and chin. Tears wouldn't come down that way. They would get caught inbetween his mask and face. He's sweating. OR the tears would come directly from his eye. Batmans is in an intense situation where a computer is basically telling him that he can't save his "son" and he's sweating.

Hes crying, Dan Didio himself said it.

 

[The_Mystery]

Hes crying, Dan Didio himself said it.

I would like a link to that. I don't mind being proven wrong. Just like to see the facts for myself.

 

[Darthphere]

I would like a link to that. I don't mind being proven wrong. Just like to see the facts for myself.

www.google.com

 

[Lackey]

www.google.com

considering how recent the issue is, probably wouldn't be able to find it with google

 

[Darthphere]

considering how recent the issue is, probably wouldn't be able to find it with google

Probably, but im not going to waste my time looking for it either.

 

[Lackey]

well, it looked like sweat to me and I don't think Batman would be crying about Nightwing until he actually lost him...not before.

 

[Darthphere]

Lol, I just realized it really doesnt matter and I dont really care.

 

[roach]

No, look at the picture again. The SWEAT is coming from his nose and chin. Tears wouldn't come down that way. They would get caught inbetween his mask and face. He's sweating. OR the tears would come directly from his eye. Batmans is in an intense situation where a computer is basically telling him that he can't save his "son" and he's sweating.

you yourself have said it....crying while wearing a mask will change the direction of the tears

 

[Lackey]

Lol, I just realized it really doesnt matter and I dont really care.

 

[Darthphere]

 

[The_Mystery]

you yourself have said it....crying while wearing a mask will change the direction of the tears

I didn't say that it would change the direction. The tears wouldn't make it out of his mask if it is a tight as it's drawn. It wouldn't even make sense for Batman to be crying. Bruce knows Dick has been in great danger before and never cries. Sweating would make more sense considering the circumstances.

 

[I_am_budders]

Sweating would make more sense considering the circumstances.

Considering the universe is being ripped apart and he's taking alot of the blame, I would say this circumstance dictates tears just as well as any other ever might. Interpert it how you will I suppose. I just don't think they'd bother drawing sweaty Batman.

 

[Assassin]

Am I the only one who heard Bud Collyer's voice from the Fleischer cartoons when reading that line?

I did too

 

[That-Guy]

Until I see proof that those are tears, I'm going with sweat. I'm not saying Batman never cries... it just would feel completely out of context here, despite the fact that Nightwing's life was at stake. I mean, if there's one thing Batman knows how to do, it's keep his cool and remain level headed when he needs to (even our anti-social, jerk Batman can do this), and that's what he had to do here because he was providing a distraction for Brother Eye. Nevertheless, I don't think it matters all that much.

Other things I liked:

- This story as a whole was a lot more cohesive than the original Crisis. The original Crisis overall was a better concept, admittedly, but one thing I really hated about it was how plotlines were just completely dropped at random and we were told "Go buy this comic book now to see what happens!" IC has done that too to some extent, but as long as you've picked up the lead-ins, the main series and IC specials, you should have no problem understanding what is going on.

- Alex Luthor getting a haircut. I may not like him being turned into a villain, but at least he doesn't look like a teenage roadie for Dokken anymore.

- All the dialogue between Brother Eye and Batman. Too sweet.

- Sasha Bordeaux. The first interesting love interest I've seen for Batman since Catwoman and Talia.

Things I didn't like:

- Brainiac being almost completely absent (other than a reference to Brainiac technology being used in the creation of the OMACs and an appearance in a Teen Titans story I missed). He was a MAJOR player in COIE... I almost feel like now the comic books are adhering to the "all Superman villains suck except for Luthor" idea.

- Every picture Phil Jiminez drew of Earth 2 Lois Lane. She looked like a leper.

- "Our" Superman being pretty much a background character the whole time (one of my complaints about the original Crisis, as well). Issue # 7 had better make up for this.

 

[Pksoze]

- "Our" Superman being pretty much a background character the whole time (one of my complaints about the original Crisis, as well). Issue # 7 had better make up for this.

He has to play a major part imo, Superboy Prime & a Luthor are bad guys. In a sense the whole series feels like Superman II where you're waiting for Superman to make his appearance.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

I haven't been waiting for Superman to do anything. "Superman, This Is Your Life" was everything I really needed to see from Supes in the current Crisis.

That said, I think Superman'll be the big hero in the eleventh hour again, just like he and all his variants were in the first Crisis. #7 will probably be all about the Supermen sticking it to Alex Luthor. They've certainly got the motivation now, with Lois and Conner dead, and I doubt Superman is powerless for the next year because he accidentally tripped on some rainbow-colored Kryptonite or something.

 

[BlackOpsTengu]

And you also have to remember, however misguided he was, Earth II Superman was HELPING Alex and Superboy in their plans, even though he didn't know all they were planning.

Our Superman stopped him dead, Wonder Woman just knocked some truth into him. Yet it was our Superman who delivered the final, verbal blow.

"A perfect Earth doesn't need a Superman."