The Bond 23 Thread

[TheVileOne]

Also can someone please tell me why Purvis and Wade are STILL writing James Bond movies?

Do they have a lifetime contract with the Broccoli family and Michael Wilson?

I'm just saying, just get brand new writers and get rid of them. Quantum of Solace had so many missed opportunities. Specifically the villain probably should've been Vesper's spy boyfriend that was barely even in it. Dominic Green taunting Bond about Vesper just lacks emotional connection because how does this guy even know about Vesper and her connection with Bond? Had it been Vesper's boyfriend that Vesper was trying to protect who was truly an evil spy it would've raised the stakes and made the emotion in the conflict more palpable. Green turned out to be a pretty weak and uneventful antagonist.

They pushed the Bourne factor too much. I get it. The Bourne Ultimatum was huge and in the US the Bourne sequels pretty much murder James Bond movies. But the director who was so inexperienced with this type of material was too reliant on the stuntmen and second unit guys and they made a movie that looked too much like a Bourne movie and not enough like a Bond movie. Martin Campbell did a good job of mixing new school with old school Bond style in Casino Royale. They took the right cues from the Bourne franchise and style without overdoing it.

I didn't mind that the movie was like a quick direct sequel to Quantum of Solace but it didn't feel like its own experience, it felt like an epilogue we should've gotten with Casino Royale. I liked how Casino Royale ended and I honestly had no expectation that Quantum of Solace end up taking place FIVE MINUTES LATER. I don't think that was necessary at all.

My other issue is I will be ticked if they set all this stuff up with Quantum and then suddenly get rid of it because it would've made all the build from the last two movies a waste.

 

[TheVileOne]

I think what was good about Craig's portrayal is that they kind of stripped away a lot of the garbage that had been piled on the last twenty years. All the preening pretentiousness and all that. A lot of the ridiculous borderline self-parody elements and the ridiculously cheesy gadgets.

Because in the novels that's not what Bond was about at the start.

Casino Royale sort of captured the angsty and turmoil a guy goes through being a government sanctioned hitman. Bond might work for the Prime Minister but at the end of the day he's still a killer and a hitman and that kind of stuff F's you up. There was a lot of quiet vulnerability and quiet pain Craig got to play really well. It also addressed that Bond was a bit of a heavy himself killing people for queen and country.

What sort of happened to Bond over the years is that he became a cartoon superhero. Craig made him less of a cartoon character which is what we wanted after that DIE ANOTHER DAY TRASH.

 

[Frosty81]

Having read all of the books I have to say that my two favorite portrayals are Brosnan in Goldeneye and Craig in Casino Royale. So...hopefully Mendes can craft the same sort of film that Campbell did. I loved the somewhat playful yet highly lethal Bond that Brosnan delivered in Goldeneye and I loved the gritty Bond that Craig brought to the screen.

- C

 

[TheVileOne]

I liked Brosnan as Bond at first. But by the end it got ridiculous.

 

[Mrs. Sawyer]

It's sad that Goldeneye was not only his only great Bond film, but his only good one. The others were either average or worse.

It's even more sad that Brosnan wanted to do a Bond film similar in tone to Casino Royale before Craig, but the studio never allowed it.

 

[obin_gam]

With American Beauty and Road to Perdition I have faith in Mendes. Hes quite the opposit from Forster and exactly what Bond 23 needs to be from QoS.

 

[The Englishman]

Also can someone please tell me why Purvis and Wade are STILL writing James Bond movies?

Do they have a lifetime contract with the Broccoli family and Michael Wilson?

I'm just saying, just get brand new writers and get rid of them. Quantum of Solace had so many missed opportunities. Specifically the villain probably should've been Vesper's spy boyfriend that was barely even in it. Dominic Green taunting Bond about Vesper just lacks emotional connection because how does this guy even know about Vesper and her connection with Bond? Had it been Vesper's boyfriend that Vesper was trying to protect who was truly an evil spy it would've raised the stakes and made the emotion in the conflict more palpable. Green turned out to be a pretty weak and uneventful antagonist.

They pushed the Bourne factor too much. I get it. The Bourne Ultimatum was huge and in the US the Bourne sequels pretty much murder James Bond movies. But the director who was so inexperienced with this type of material was too reliant on the stuntmen and second unit guys and they made a movie that looked too much like a Bourne movie and not enough like a Bond movie. Martin Campbell did a good job of mixing new school with old school Bond style in Casino Royale. They took the right cues from the Bourne franchise and style without overdoing it.

I didn't mind that the movie was like a quick direct sequel to Quantum of Solace but it didn't feel like its own experience, it felt like an epilogue we should've gotten with Casino Royale. I liked how Casino Royale ended and I honestly had no expectation that Quantum of Solace end up taking place FIVE MINUTES LATER. I don't think that was necessary at all.

My other issue is I will be ticked if they set all this stuff up with Quantum and then suddenly get rid of it because it would've made all the build from the last two movies a waste.

Having read all of the books I have to say that my two favorite portrayals are Brosnan in Goldeneye and Craig in Casino Royale. So...hopefully Mendes can craft the same sort of film that Campbell did. I loved the somewhat playful yet highly lethal Bond that Brosnan delivered in Goldeneye and I loved the gritty Bond that Craig brought to the screen.

- C

Id like the producers to bring Bruce Feirstein back to write another Bond movie. He was on half of the writing duo that wrote Goldeneye and he wrote the story for the brilliant Blood Stone Videogame which with some tweeks could have made a fantastic movie. It combined the brilliance of Goldeneye with the grittiness of Craigs Bond..

 

[The Englishman]

I think what was good about Craig's portrayal is that they kind of stripped away a lot of the garbage that had been piled on the last twenty years. All the preening pretentiousness and all that. A lot of the ridiculous borderline self-parody elements and the ridiculously cheesy gadgets.

Because in the novels that's not what Bond was about at the start.

Casino Royale sort of captured the angsty and turmoil a guy goes through being a government sanctioned hitman. Bond might work for the Prime Minister but at the end of the day he's still a killer and a hitman and that kind of stuff F's you up. There was a lot of quiet vulnerability and quiet pain Craig got to play really well. It also addressed that Bond was a bit of a heavy himself killing people for queen and country.

What sort of happened to Bond over the years is that he became a cartoon superhero. Craig made him less of a cartoon character which is what we wanted after that DIE ANOTHER DAY TRASH.

I agree with this statement, also its a bit unfair to label Daniel Craigs Bond as a Thug as theres so much more to his performance.

 

[Ajendo]

I think people are forgetting that Craig's Bond in CR and QoS isn't supposed to be the refined agent that was first cinematically introduced to audiences in 1962.
Bond is a man of the times, a contemporary character and those silly, boring potato punches and fight scenes that we got with Moore and Brosnan especially hold no credibility for me. The fighting style needs to be tough, brutal and exactly what's been executed in Craig's movie thus far. Interestingly enough, it's amazing how prior to casino royale Bond's best fight scenes all came from Lazenby in OHMSS. If people didn't sleep on that film, they wouldn't be so quick to start stamping Bourne all over everything.

I personally would love to see many things. For starters, Casino Royale was excellent and they need to build on that. Bring back a distinguished atmosphere, glamour, exotic and beautiful locations as opposed to run down, impoverished slums as seen in QoS, bring back Money Penny or introduce Ponsonby. I'd like to see Q branch return but to submit more probable and practical gadgets. All this whacky OTT gadgets just don't work for me.
Have Craig's Bond feel relaxed and for him to actually look like he enjoys his job. I cite the first 4 Bond movies, Connery looked like he knew he had jobs to do but he looked like he enjoyed what he did. His portrayal of Bond in FRWL should be the standard that every Bond actor and prospective Bond actor should measure themselves upto. I cite this portrayal in particular because, Bond was relaxed, authoritative, humorous and deadly.

Bond 23 needs to have that fun factor, the adventure and of course the women. Bond 23 should have Bond involved with 2 to 3 women and the music, it's the 50th anny for goodness sake, if they cant get anyone good enough to sing a landmark event because lets face it, Bond 23 isn't just another Bond movie, it's going to be an VENT more so than usual, then just give us a memorable instrumental ala FRWL or OHMSS.

Craig is a fantatsic actor, he's great as Bond now lets hope the writers write the character where he isn't jetting around like the terminator. I hate to admit this to myself because I hate feeling disappointed but my expectations for this movie are through the roof.

 

[Crockett]

Paramount Making Strong Moves to Snag 'Bond 23'

Now that MGM has announced a start date for the next James Bond film and set its release for November 2012, the remaining question is which studio will distribute the latest installment of the most venerated, if not most lucrative, of franchises?

At this point, the lead player would appear to be Paramount Pictures, which --thanks to a close relationship between the studio's top brass and new MGM co-chairmen Gary Barber and Roger Birnbaum -- has informally gotten a first crack at the negotiation.

The other contender is Sony Pictures, which successfully released the last two Bond films and is said to be on good terms with the Broccoli family, owner of the Bond rights. Despite that, a knowledgeable source says the Broccolis have approved Paramount as a prospective distributor and that preliminary talks have begun.

 

[Webhead2006]

i would think sony probably will score it since they had a hand in last few bond movies.

 

[TheVileOne]

I agree with this statement, also its a bit unfair to label Daniel Craigs Bond as a Thug as theres so much more to his performance.

I think my post reflected that. But Craig captured that Bond in some ways is basically a thug. He's LEGAL thug that the government pays for that's also the point. Does being a thug and a killer make it better because you are DOING IT FOR YOUR COUNTRY? And no I'm not talking about being a good soldier, what Bond does is different then fighting on the battlefield. He has to be cunning and backstab and seduce and also FEEL those deaths up close and personal. Its like when Goliath talks down Demona in Gargoyles from dropping a guy off an airship. Goliath's explanation is, "To kill in the heat of combat in one thing but [not in cold blood]."

So he's more than just a thug. But there something thug like and hitman like about what he does.

Over the years again James Bond became a cartoon superhero. He basically became like a British version of Batman or Superman. He became a cliche. In the Casino Royale novel, Bond's torture and Vesper's betrayal nearly broke him and his resolve. He had a weak moment where what he did suddenly didn't matter to him. The bad guys who are the bad guys might not even be the real bad guys and were our allies before and could just as easily be our allies years later. Ultimately Bond found solace in going after SMERSH.

 

[Ponyboy]

It's sad that Goldeneye was not only his only great Bond film, but his only good one. The others were either average or worse.

It's even more sad that Brosnan wanted to do a Bond film similar in tone to Casino Royale before Craig, but the studio never allowed it.

I quite enjoyed Brosnan's first two Bond pictures... But the last two were really ridiculous.

 

[returntovoid]

So Daniel Craig's current girlfriend Rachel Weisz could be the next Bond Girl?

Could Daniel Craig's next Bond Girl be his new leading lady Rachel Weisz?
Rachel Weisz is second favourite with bookies to star in new James Bond film alongside Daniel Craig

Posted: Wednesday 12 Jan 2011

Above: Bookies are taking bets that Daniel Craig's personal leading lady Rachel Weisz will be his Bond Girl

WITH the news that the very lovely Daniel Craig is returning as 007 in a new James Bond movie, the obvious question being asked next is who will play Bond Girl?

And with Daniel Craig welcoming a new leading lady into his personal life - Rachel Weisz - rumours are aflutter that it will be her who stars alongside him in the newest James Bond movie.

Bookies William Hill offering odds of 5/1 that the Hollywood actress, who spent a romantic Christmas with the very hunky Daniel, will be the Bond Girl in 2011.

Rachel is only beaten by Slumdog Millionaire star Frieda Pinto as most likely choice for the newest lead lady.

Star of the Harry Potter movies Emma Watson is third favourite, with Kate Winslet's name also thrown into the mix. Strictly Come Dancing winner Kara Tointon (and Ann Widdecombe) even gets a mention!

So do you reckon Daniel and Rachel will mix business with pleasure - or will it be another famous lady in those famous shoes?

Here's the full list of William Hill odds on Bond Girl for the next 007 film:


1/1 Frieda Pinto
5/1 Rachel Weisz
7/1 Emma Watson
7/1 Kate Winslet
9/1 Ashwarya Rai
8/1 Lily Cole
8/1 Kaya Scodelario
10/1 Giselle Itie
10/1 Felicity Jones
11/1 Kristen Stewart
14/1 Romola Garie
18/1 Emma Stone
20/1 Michelle Ryan
20/1 Kara Tointon
33/1 Angelina Jolie
33/1 Lindsay Lohan
50/1 Kim Kardashian
1000/1 Katie Price
5000/1 Ann Widdecombe

http://www.ok.co.uk/worldinaction/v...d-Girl-be-his-new-leading-lady-Rachel-Weisz-/

 

[Mrs. Sawyer]

lmao @ Emma Watson, Kristen Stewart, Emma Stone, Angelina Jolie, Lindsey Lohan, and Kim Kardashian

The others I can either see or have no idea who they are.

 

[JAK®]

So Daniel Craig's current girlfriend Rachel Weisz could be the next Bond Girl?



http://www.ok.co.uk/worldinaction/v...d-Girl-be-his-new-leading-lady-Rachel-Weisz-/

Put all my money on Ann Widdecombe.

 

[Ajendo]

There's also reports of Bond 23 having a budget of about $150million...which is a good thing.

 

[Crockett]

But that's a normal budget for at least for Craig's Bond movies, the budget for CS and QoS is $150 and $200 respectively.

 

[obin_gam]

Are there any speculations floating around what the title is gonna be?

 

[Octoberist]

I think QoS's budget was higher because of the shorter schedule and had to use their resources quicker. Quicker means more money, if you can dig it!

 

[Octoberist]

Are there any speculations floating around what the title is gonna be?

Not yet.

If I'm not mistaken, Quantum of Solace didn't have a title till the press release which happened right before principle photography.

However, that was a different situation because 'Solace' occurred during the writer's strike, so everything was kinda rushed out. There were even reports that 'Solace' was picked as the title at the very last minute.

So it's hard to say, really.

 

[Crockett]

I think QoS's budget was higher because of the shorter schedule and had to use their resources quicker. Quicker means more money, if you can dig it!

Yeah that's true, like the script was rushed so it's finished before the writer's strike began for an example.

 

[regwec]

I still maintain that "Quantum of Solace" was a feeble title. It contains two words that a lot of people don't understand, and represents a concept that is difficult to associate with the usual expectations of a Bond film.

Great that they tried to original, rather than calling it "Die Twice with a Golden Kill", but it just seems a bit weak, to me.

 

[The Englishman]

I think my post reflected that. But Craig captured that Bond in some ways is basically a thug. He's LEGAL thug that the government pays for that's also the point. Does being a thug and a killer make it better because you are DOING IT FOR YOUR COUNTRY? And no I'm not talking about being a good soldier, what Bond does is different then fighting on the battlefield. He has to be cunning and backstab and seduce and also FEEL those deaths up close and personal. Its like when Goliath talks down Demona in Gargoyles from dropping a guy off an airship. Goliath's explanation is, "To kill in the heat of combat in one thing but [not in cold blood]."

So he's more than just a thug. But there something thug like and hitman like about what he does.

Over the years again James Bond became a cartoon superhero. He basically became like a British version of Batman or Superman. He became a cliche. In the Casino Royale novel, Bond's torture and Vesper's betrayal nearly broke him and his resolve. He had a weak moment where what he did suddenly didn't matter to him. The bad guys who are the bad guys might not even be the real bad guys and were our allies before and could just as easily be our allies years later. Ultimately Bond found solace in going after SMERSH.

Yeah i agree with what your saying but the thug part was not in responce to what you said but to DarkJediKnight who when nameing is favorite Bonds excluded Daniel Craig, stating hes just a thug and im saying hes so much more then "Just a Thug".

I still maintain that "Quantum of Solace" was a feeble title. It contains two words that a lot of people don't understand, and represents a concept that is difficult to associate with the usual expectations of a Bond film.

Great that they tried to original, rather than calling it "Die Twice with a Golden Kill", but it just seems a bit weak, to me.

Well yeah but Quantum Of Solace is a Fleming title so they probably thought they were being clever. Personally i wish they would stert using titles from the non Fleming books such as Icebreaker, For Special Services and Roll Of Honour and mabey even adapt some of them as well.

 

[dark_b]

So Daniel Craig's current girlfriend Rachel Weisz could be the next Bond Girl?



http://www.ok.co.uk/worldinaction/v...d-Girl-be-his-new-leading-lady-Rachel-Weisz-/

i thought Weisz was with the badass fantastic director Aronofsky?