The Bush Thread

[Sebastos]

I'm so ****ing glad I don't have to see Bush on my tv screen anymore.

 

[cyborg ninja 14]

Everyone is so touchy around here

If you criticise Obama, you get flamed. If you support Bush, you get flamed

Flame here. Flame there. Flame on!

So, I was 12 when W. was first elected. I didn't know anything about anything related to poltics. I was young, as many of us were (can we assume most hypsters are in high school or college?) 9/11 happened. It was a crazy, big deal. It changed everything fundamently on how we viewed our country.

When Afghanistan happened, I didn't know what to think. I was watching bombings live right in front of my eyes. It was awe-inspirising. I didn't know what to make of what I was seeing. Iraq began, I heard it was right. Then, I would hear things about lies, deception, deciet. Wtf crazy. I didn't pay enough attention in high school to everything that was going on. I was in high school, a teenager. Why should I give a ****? He was re-elected when I was 16, graduated at 17.

It didn't start until college did my opinions fully develop and mature to the point where I know what I really think of Bush. And that is: No matter what you do as President, whether be considered a mistake or a plus, you'll always be held as the one responsible. Granted, he made mistakes, his administration made mistakes. He should be held accountable to everything he's done good or bad.

The thing is, nothing Bush ever did affected me personally, I wasn't paying bills to the taxpayers that would use it for god knows what, trying to raise a family, attempt to survive in the economy. I was just living life, not knowing any better. The next few years as I actually take on my personal responsibility to manage my own life completely will I know the effects of the Bush administration and beyond through Obama. In the next 8 years or 4, I'll understand better with a different perspective on how the former administration really affected everything. (Now if I can't get into graduate school or something because of the economy, then ill understand)

 

[Sebastos]

Bush held us back, ****ed up the country and handed it to Obama on a silver platter to fix. What a guy.

 

[cyborg ninja 14]

Bush held us back, ****ed up the country and handed it to Obama on a silver platter to fix. What a guy.

I said he should be accountable for everything he's done. It's a collective effort of his administration that things the way they are now. And when Obama leaves, everything he does will be up to the next guy (or girl) to fix or continue. The cycle will go on.

 

[Sebastos]

I said he should be accountable for everything he's done. It's a collective effort of his administration that things the way they are now. And when Obama leaves, everything he does will be up to the next guy (or girl) to fix or continue. The cycle will go on.

No I wasn't answering your post in general, I was just finishing my point about the moron we lived through for the last eight years.

 

[cyborg ninja 14]

No I wasn't answering your post in general, I was just finishing my point about the moron we lived through for the last eight years.

Yay

 

[Sebastos]

 

[StorminNorman]

Well we don't have any factually incorrect opinions on this site, never saw one before..nope.....never...

And last time I looked.....we don't have an infraction for that either....

Again, though, I have no problem with The Major doing it - I expect that.

I have a problem with a Mod doing it. I don't think a Mod should be treated the same as a Civilian.

If Demogoblin wants to make The Major-type posts, great! Do it! Just get rid of the Red Font.

 

[metr0man]

now that Bush is gone... I think back... and man...

What a terrible president. One bad decision after another, with people under him going full-tilt ideological and making bad decisions themselves.

Just terrible. I'm not surprised his approval rating is lower than Watergate-Era-Nixon (lol).

Fortunately for Obama, Bush was SO bad, that all Obama has to do is come across as somewhat competent and not F things up royally and he'll come out smelling like a rose. Make no mistake a big part of the excitement over Obama is the catharsis of no more Bush.

 

[Addendum]

Hand Normy a kleenex

 

[Sebastos]

The Republican party doesn't know what's coming with Obama.

 

[StorminNorman]

Hand Normy a kleenex

Yes, how dare I want a political mod that knows what they are talking about.

 

[The Major]

Nixon got pardoned that's why. If he wasn't he would have most likely been punished in some form.

Which is why I'm against pardoning.

 

[The Major]

Except Clinton's biggest crime was never having sex in the Oval Office. Not even close.

Then prosecute him for those crimes. Bring him to justice if he is guilty.

Bush is not a War Criminal

You believe Bush torturing and abducting foreign citizens to torture via rendition is an ethical and legal thing to do? Let America sign up to the World Court and we'll find out. Republicans have nothing to fear if he did nothing wrong.

and he has no business being prosecuted outside of giving San Fransisco liberals and college students with no real clue about the world something to high five about while watching Jon Stewart.

Those liberals and college students have been more right on issues then the entire Bush administration put together. Every subject we've supported since he's been in office has been proven correct. That's why its good to be in a "reality based community". Reality trumps everything in politics.

To say we have no clue is very puzzling since it wasn't us that destroyed this country so badly it'll take decades to recover. That was Bush.

 

[The Major]

But its not just an extreme opinion, its an extreme opinion that is factually incorrect.

For example:

Ask yourself why we're upset about Bush. We're not discussing a president whose biggest crime was having sex in the Oval office.

Agreeing with this statement displays an ignorance of history, of facts.

You didn't answer my question. Read my first statement. Why do you think we're upset with Bush? Why do you believe we think he's a war criminal?

The reason I bought up Clinton's sex problems is because that is the defining mantra the Republican party had against him. No-one remembers anything else. The Republican party hasn't done a very good job showing anything incriminating that sticks beyond that. I'm no fan of Clinton's btw. If you have something to nail to the wall that is legit, do it. It's just going to take more then talking about his sex life.

What things have I said that are factually incorrect?

 

[X Knight]

The President's job ( and Obama will soon discover this ) is a THANKLESS job.

You're damned if you do something, damned if you don't do something, and damned if you do something but don't do it the way ppl want you to.

It's easy for all of us sitting on the outside looking in to critique, criticize, and complain, while playing monday morning quarterbacking with 20/20 hindsight.

We will never know firsthand the enormous weight and pressure that the President has to experience everyday on the job.

Each President will make decisions that he or she feels is right in his/her heart. Sometimes those decisions will prove to be very unpopular. But, history will be the ultimate judge on the true legacy of Bush's administration.

Now that Bush is out of office, I hope that all of the ppl who just love to bash bush and make fun of him will finally, finally be quiet and go away. It's over now. A new guy is in office. It's time to turn the page....

 

[The Major]

The President's job ( and Obama will soon discover this ) is a THANKLESS job.

You're damned if you do something, damned if you don't do something, and damned if you do something but don't do it the way ppl want you to.

It's easy for all of us sitting on the outside looking in to critique, criticize, and complain, while playing monday morning quarterbacking with 20/20 hindsight.

We will never know firsthand the enormous weight and pressure that the President has to experience everyday on the job.

That's not an excuse.

While many things you've said are true that doesn't give president's the right to break laws or act badly no matter how stupid they are. No-one should be about the law.

Each President will make decisions that he or she feels is right in his/her heart. Sometimes those decisions will prove to be very unpopular. But, history will be the ultimate judge on the true legacy of Bush's administration.

History will judge everyone any way. That's not punishment. If it was every criminal whoever got caught would be walking the streets after their crimes were revealed to the public. That's not how justice works. Bush has done much worse to the country then an ordinary thug.

Where does personal responsibility come into this? Isn't that a Republican talking point? How does walking away untouched make him accountable?

Now that Bush is out of office, I hope that all of the ppl who just love to bash bush and make fun of him will finally, finally be quiet and go away. It's over now. A new guy is in office. It's time to turn the page....

That's denial, not turning the page.

The reason people won't forget about Bush is because our complaints are legitimate. It's not just Democrats in America, either. It's world wide.

The new guy being in office won't change the past. Obama being president doesn't erase what "mistakes" Bush did. The torture, the dead, the destroyed countries, privacy being a thing of the past in America for every citizen, America hiring mercenaries, the economy imploding all still happened. If he does not go after Bush his presidency will be short lived, too. That would be enabling behavior. Something which has stank up American politics for far to long.

 

[p4poetic]

I've noticed that people who are extremely pro-guns are acting like America is over.

anyway.

Bush held us back, ****ed up the country and handed it to Obama on a silver platter to fix. What a guy.

Dang, you just reminded me of a great political cartoon I saw and I can't find it

 

[redfirebird2008]

I've noticed that people who are extremely pro-guns are acting like America is over.

anyway.

Nice picture. Bush genuinely likes the Obama family from everything I've heard from him.

 

[gap5ewl]

Look I'm really getting tired of people saying "Oh they should've respect Bush at the innauguration he was our President". How can you "respect" a man that:

A) Failed to prevent A massive terrorist attack from happening. And don't you use the argument "Oh well that was Clinton's fault really" because Bush was in office for nearly 9 months by the time that happen! And now we know that he was briefed several times about the potential for Al Qaida to attack us (Bin Laden determined to Attack America memo August, 2001) and completely ignored it.

B) Invaded a country for....no concrete reason. We went into Iraq because 1) WMD's? oh no there never was any of those there and it was a dissapointment for him he later stated. 2) Involvement with 9/11? Nope the intelligence he used to make that connection was proved to be false and Hussein had no connection with Al Qaida. 3) They had the technology to create nuclear weapons? Oh must we delve into this. Not only was this proven to be false and was a reason for Powell leaving, but now we here that some members of the administration KNEW the uranium claims were false but still went on with it. So basically we went to War with a country for no reason. Yes we got rid of a dictator but Hussein was far from the only dictator in this world and posed no threat to us.

c) Basically ignored thousands of pleas for help after a Hurricane destroyed a major U.S. city. Brownie you're doing a heck of a job! Just ingore the thousands of people who died in New Orleans that could've been saved had we actually cared. New Orleans is still a mess. Seems like he really went out his way being a President for the people when he flew over the disater and got his picture taking.

D) And now were are in the biggest financial disaster in this nation's history. A Global recession. And Bush's corporate partners get away free while the administration failed to act quickly to prevent this mess. There were warnings for years that something was going to happen with the economy and what did our president do? Once again, ingored it. And what did he personally due back in September and October when we went into crisis mood? Gave a few speeches and said not to blame anybody right now. Of course he wasn't completely responsible for this but as the man who has the highest position in government, you'd think he would care enough to help prevent this from happening.

And let's not forget the countless other moments that he's been involved in. The PATRIOT Act, Plame, Torture, Guantanamo, Ignoring enviromental acts, our broken image in the international community, ect. ect. ect.

So I'm having a really hard time giving respect to man that made a joke out of the most sacred position in the United States of America. He didn't do anything to serve the people, he simply sat there and braught this country to its knees and now he get's to go back to Texas and watch his Presidential Library, honoring his "legacy", be built. If we can't press charges against this man, at least give us the freedom to make him hear how much of a negative affect he has had on all of us.

So long Bush! Thanks for respecting the position you were giving and looking out for our best interest.

 

[Addendum]

Yes, how dare I want a political mod that knows what they are talking about.

To me it reads like you want one that agrees with you

 

[Matt]

Nice picture. Bush genuinely likes the Obama family from everything I've heard from him.

Oh my God, that poor little girl looks terrified. "Mommy, make it leave!"



But yeah, looks like someone wants Jenna and Barbara to start popping out the grand children.

I don't think Bush is neccessarily a bad person. I think he is a very stubborn one with a temper who often speaks without thinking, but I think he is probably nice enough. However I do think he was very naive and easily manipulated by people like Cheney and Rumsfeld.

 

[StorminNorman]

To me it reads like you want one that agrees with you

No, I prefer Mod's that disagree with me - the Mod here that closest matches my beliefs is Hippie and we have had many debates. I think Danoyse is a fine Mod though I disagree with her politically very much. I disagree with Matt on most issues. Kel and I certainly are not of the same opinion on everything.

 

[Oddzball]

Everyone is so touchy around here

If you criticise Obama, you get flamed. If you support Bush, you get flamed

Flame here. Flame there. Flame on!

So, I was 12 when W. was first elected. I didn't know anything about anything related to poltics. I was young, as many of us were (can we assume most hypsters are in high school or college?) 9/11 happened. It was a crazy, big deal. It changed everything fundamently on how we viewed our country.

When Afghanistan happened, I didn't know what to think. I was watching bombings live right in front of my eyes. It was awe-inspirising. I didn't know what to make of what I was seeing. Iraq began, I heard it was right. Then, I would hear things about lies, deception, deciet. Wtf crazy. I didn't pay enough attention in high school to everything that was going on. I was in high school, a teenager. Why should I give a ****? He was re-elected when I was 16, graduated at 17.

It didn't start until college did my opinions fully develop and mature to the point where I know what I really think of Bush. And that is: No matter what you do as President, whether be considered a mistake or a plus, you'll always be held as the one responsible. Granted, he made mistakes, his administration made mistakes. He should be held accountable to everything he's done good or bad.

The thing is, nothing Bush ever did affected me personally, I wasn't paying bills to the taxpayers that would use it for god knows what, trying to raise a family, attempt to survive in the economy. I was just living life, not knowing any better. The next few years as I actually take on my personal responsibility to manage my own life completely will I know the effects of the Bush administration and beyond through Obama. In the next 8 years or 4, I'll understand better with a different perspective on how the former administration really affected everything. (Now if I can't get into graduate school or something because of the economy, then ill understand)

Bush didn't raise taxes in time of war. He lowered them (just not for you or your family). He borrowed. You're affected because you your child your grandchild and perhaps further generations are STUCK with massive debt.

 

[StorminNorman]

I am short on time now but I will respond tomorrow.

Then prosecute him for those crimes. Bring him to justice if he is guilty.



You believe Bush torturing and abducting foreign citizens to torture via rendition is an ethical and legal thing to do? Let America sign up to the World Court and we'll find out. Republicans have nothing to fear if he did nothing wrong.



Those liberals and college students have been more right on issues then the entire Bush administration put together. Every subject we've supported since he's been in office has been proven correct. That's why its good to be in a "reality based community". Reality trumps everything in politics.

To say we have no clue is very puzzling since it wasn't us that destroyed this country so badly it'll take decades to recover. That was Bush.

You didn't answer my question. Read my first statement. Why do you think we're upset with Bush? Why do you believe we think he's a war criminal?

The reason I bought up Clinton's sex problems is because that is the defining mantra the Republican party had against him. No-one remembers anything else. The Republican party hasn't done a very good job showing anything incriminating that sticks beyond that. I'm no fan of Clinton's btw. If you have something to nail to the wall that is legit, do it. It's just going to take more then talking about his sex life.

What things have I said that are factually incorrect?