The Bush Thread

[Addendum]

I found the article through google.

I'll stick with The Onion for my satire. They're better written

 

[Addendum]

edit: ****ing hype making double posts

 

[Marx]

I found the article through google.

I'll stick with The Onion for my satire. They're better written

Yeah, I'm fairly positive that it was not a serious article.

 

[Nitehawk013]

1. Patient neglect at Walter Reed Army Hospital - Wasn't awre the Pres was supposed to be a hospital admin and overseer.2. US Attorney firings - Every Pres has the right to remove any Atty they choose to. Clinton fired a multitude as well. 3. Libby/Plame Affair (Outing a CIA agent) - Plame was never a secret agent.
4. Iraq war - We're winning thanks to Pres Bush not wimping out like the left wanted. 5. Afghanistan (leaving before the job was done) - We never fully left. We shifted focus.6. Iran saber rattling - We should have turned them into a parking lot.7. North Korea (mishandling nuclear issue) - see above
8. The War on Terror (failure to capture Osama bin Laden, dubious allies) - Should have starte dthis war 30 years ago.
9. Civilian contractors in Iraq (poor service for big bucks) - Haliburton was the only contractor based in US capable of the work.10. Military Commissions Act (torture, kangaroo courts, indefinite detention, and loss of habeas corpus) - terrorists are not uniformed soldiers. Geneva torture regs should not apply. 11. Hurricane Katrina and the drowning of New Orleans - Nagin and the Gov shoudl have evacuated. Not BUsh's fault.
12. NSA warrantless wiretapping - If you aren't a terrorist, you have nothign to fear13. SWIFT (international money transfers)
14. Black sites and rendition
15. Department of Homeland Security (a massive boondoggle)
16. K Street lobbyists (for government you can buy)
17. Dusty Foggo (No. 3 at the CIA)
18. Duke Cunningham (a corrupt politician) - you mean political hatchet job19. Tom Delay (another corrupt politician) - again..political hatchet job
20. Mark Foley and the House pages - and another hatchet job
21. Cheney Energy Task Force (and hiding info about it) - Why should it have been open? 22. Tax cuts for the richest of the rich - Not rich, I got the tax cut too. The rich pay more taxes than anyone on this board. Why shouldn't they get a break? 23. Global warming (denial and stalling) - Global farse you mean?
24. Terri Schiavo and the attempted trashing of family privacy rights - Jeb was involved if I recall, not GWB. 25. Budget deficits and a greatly increased national debt - no argument here. He should have vetoed a lot of spending. 26. Stacking of the Supreme Court (Roberts and Alito) - GREAT choices!
27. Medicare( lack of long term solvency) - Should be folded completely.
28. Medicare Part D (Drug prescriptions) - Should have never happened.
29. Healthcare general mess - This started LONGGGG before GWB. Nice try at blaming him though.30. Doug Feith (stovepiping Iraq intel)
31. 2000 election (stolen) - Not what the SC siad.
32. 2004 election (rigging) - Thats a hoot. I'd love to hear you surely intelligent explanation of this. 33. 9/11 Commission limitation and manipulation of - Let me guess...you liked "Loose Change"?
34. 9/11 Commission’s recommendations delayed implementation - again...conspiracy theorist much?
35. Marginalization of the UN - The UN is a joke. They should be kicked out of our country and allowed to die. 36. Preventive war doctrine - I think you mean Pre-emptive. And yes, we have the right to strike first if we feel the need. 37. Loss of US prestige - Only lefties care what teh rest of the world thinks38. Inaction on Israeli-Palestinian peace process - You mean you wish he would turn on Israel don't you?
39. Lack of spending on basic research - Plenty if spent on research. You mean you want embryonic stem cell research right? 40. Alberto Gonzales - What was the problem here? You not like Latinos who acheive great things?
41. FDA restricting the mission
42. EPA restricting the mission
43. Porter Goss trashing the CIA
44. Militarization of intelligence - Why is this a problem?45. Rampant cronyism - Kinda like the current Obama worship?
46. Signing statements
47. Unilateral Executive
48. Abuse of the National Guard
49. Breaking the Army
50. Increase in the balance of trade deficit
51. Grassley Bankruptcy Bill (creditors favored over debtors) - Why should people get to stiff banks? Peopel should pay their bills. 52. Cross border Mexican truck safety
53. Rove’s security clearance (kept after his part in outing Valerie Plame) - Plame wasn't secret.
54. Anti-immigration raids (children and parents separated) - Good. They should have stayed out of the country. 55. Dubai Ports deal (a Middle East company in charge of US ports in the age of terrorism) - Is there any proof Dubai Ports Inc was untrustworthy in the least? 56. Patriot Act and its Extension - Patriot Act was a great piece of legislation.
57. Privatization of Social Security (a bad idea endlessly recycled) - This would be the best thing to ever happen to SS. 58. War on Science - Really? He fought science? You probably mean he didn't throw more money at junk sciences you approve of right? 59. David Safavian (Abramoff associate)
60. Claude Allen (White House adviser caught shoplifting)
61. Bush lying about firing Rumsfeld before the November 2006 election
62. Armstrong Williams (paid propagandists)
63. Labor Department (ground down by Mitch McConnell’s wife)
64. Net neutrality/media ownership
65. Israeli bombing of Lebanon (delay in putting a ceasefire in place) - Israel should be allowed to bomb whoever they need to protect their sovereignty.66. PDB on Bin Laden (ignoring the terrorist threat pre-9/11) - Liek Clinton and GHB did for 16 years prior to him even stepping in office?
67. Ground Zero declared non-toxic - I've been there and Im not dead.
68. Sago mining disaster (non-enforcement of safety regs) - When did the Pres become a mining safety officer? 69. Harriet Miers Supreme Court nomination (a supreme act of cronyism) - She would have been a great judge. 70. Vetoing stem cell research - No...you mean embryonic research. Umbilical and adult stem cell research has shown FAR more promise than any embryonic tests. 71. Plan B contraception
72. Clear Skies/ Healthy Forests Acts (weakening pollution controls and opening forests to logging) - Didn't need those controls.
73. Ballistic missile shield (only works to antagonize the Russians) - I'd feel better with a missle sheild than the lefty plan of "lets just sing songs and hope for the best". 74. Leandro Aragoncillo (the spy in Cheney’s office)
75. Overseas AIDS programs (reflecting the Administration’s benighted views on sex) - I thought spending BILLIONS to prevent AIDs would please the left?
76. Constitutional amendment against gay marriage - The peopel have voted overwhelmingly to ban it. The amendment is needed to prevent activist judges from ignoring the people. 77. Drilling in Bristol Bay, Alaska - Yeah...it's crazy to drill for our own resources right?
78. Canard of Clintons trashing the White House before leaving - Yeah, Clinton should get a pass for that. I suppose Sandy Berger should get a pass too? 79. Jeff Gannon (a male prostitute in the White House press corps) - Why should Pres Bush know what a press corp guy does in his private life?
80. Native American trust funds
81. Creationist materials at national parks - Did GWB pass them out?
82. Returning US war dead (banning photographing the returning coffins) - Good idea. The media would have used it as anti-war propaganda.
83. False military reporting (Pat Tillman, Jessica Lynch) - Make up your mind. Did he ban the media (last issue) or control the media? 84. AIPAC spy scandal
85. Detainee court cases (a quick guide) - Terrorists deserve no rights to prevent detention. 86. Opening US mail
87. Subprime mortgage bubble - See Barney Franks. He said there was no problem with doing this. 88. Bush’s ties to Enron
89. 2001 California energy crisis (refusal to intervene in this Enron manufactured crisis)
90. Darfur (calling it genocide is not a policy) - Should we be world police or not? Make up your mind lefty. 91. Russian loose nukes (underfunding)
92. OPR Gonzales investigation (stymied)
93. Interference in lawsuit against Big Tobacco - Tobacco lawsuits are a joke. Peopel knew they were unhealthy and used the product anyways. They shouldn't be allowed to sue. They were idiots, they deserve what they get.
94. Phone jamming in New Hampshire (with White House connections)
95. Steven Griles (Abramoff’s man at Interior)
96. US Attorney targeting of Democratic office holders
97. Interim US Attorney provision (an attempt to appoint USAs without Senate approval) -
98. FBI National Security Letters (overuse and abuse)
99. GSA (Hatch Act violations)
100. Karl Rove - Brilliant political strategist.

I'm gonna stop at 100. Rest assured I've got about 200 more. And they are likely 200 more lies, distortions and personal opinions...not facts.

Hmmm

 

[Superman]

OK I found it. WTF That has to be a joke, And a bad one at that.

I dislike Bush as much as the next guy but there is no need for this kind of crap to try to make Bush look bad, Not when there is so much other stuff that Bush really did that makes him look bad.

 

[Superman]

That's not an excuse.

While many things you've said are true that doesn't give president's the right to break laws or act badly no matter how stupid they are. No-one should be about the law.



History will judge everyone any way. That's not punishment. If it was every criminal whoever got caught would be walking the streets after their crimes were revealed to the public. That's not how justice works. Bush has done much worse to the country then an ordinary thug.

Where does personal responsibility come into this? Isn't that a Republican talking point? How does walking away untouched make him accountable?



That's denial, not turning the page.

The reason people won't forget about Bush is because our complaints are legitimate. It's not just Democrats in America, either. It's world wide.

The new guy being in office won't change the past. Obama being president doesn't erase what "mistakes" Bush did. The torture, the dead, the destroyed countries, privacy being a thing of the past in America for every citizen, America hiring mercenaries, the economy imploding all still happened. If he does not go after Bush his presidency will be short lived, too. That would be enabling behavior. Something which has stank up American politics for far to long.

I think I'm going to like this guy.

 

[Nitehawk013]

Perhaps Obama doesn't want to go after Bush because unlike morons like Pelosi and the Daily Kos nuts, he knows GWB did nothing wrong and isn't a criminal.

 

[SuBe]

Look I'm really getting tired of people saying "Oh they should've respect Bush at the innauguration he was our President". How can you "respect" a man that:

A) Failed to prevent A massive terrorist attack from happening. And don't you use the argument "Oh well that was Clinton's fault really" because Bush was in office for nearly 9 months by the time that happen! And now we know that he was briefed several times about the potential for Al Qaida to attack us (Bin Laden determined to Attack America memo August, 2001) and completely ignored it.

B) Invaded a country for....no concrete reason. We went into Iraq because 1) WMD's? oh no there never was any of those there and it was a dissapointment for him he later stated. 2) Involvement with 9/11? Nope the intelligence he used to make that connection was proved to be false and Hussein had no connection with Al Qaida. 3) They had the technology to create nuclear weapons? Oh must we delve into this. Not only was this proven to be false and was a reason for Powell leaving, but now we here that some members of the administration KNEW the uranium claims were false but still went on with it. So basically we went to War with a country for no reason. Yes we got rid of a dictator but Hussein was far from the only dictator in this world and posed no threat to us.

c) Basically ignored thousands of pleas for help after a Hurricane destroyed a major U.S. city. Brownie you're doing a heck of a job! Just ingore the thousands of people who died in New Orleans that could've been saved had we actually cared. New Orleans is still a mess. Seems like he really went out his way being a President for the people when he flew over the disater and got his picture taking.

D) And now were are in the biggest financial disaster in this nation's history. A Global recession. And Bush's corporate partners get away free while the administration failed to act quickly to prevent this mess. There were warnings for years that something was going to happen with the economy and what did our president do? Once again, ingored it. And what did he personally due back in September and October when we went into crisis mood? Gave a few speeches and said not to blame anybody right now. Of course he wasn't completely responsible for this but as the man who has the highest position in government, you'd think he would care enough to help prevent this from happening.

And let's not forget the countless other moments that he's been involved in. The PATRIOT Act, Plame, Torture, Guantanamo, Ignoring enviromental acts, our broken image in the international community, ect. ect. ect.

So I'm having a really hard time giving respect to man that made a joke out of the most sacred position in the United States of America. He didn't do anything to serve the people, he simply sat there and braught this country to its knees and now he get's to go back to Texas and watch his Presidential Library, honoring his "legacy", be built. If we can't press charges against this man, at least give us the freedom to make him hear how much of a negative affect he has had on all of us.

So long Bush! Thanks for respecting the position you were giving and looking out for our best interest.

Ever heard of the Great Depression? That was a Global event also, that lead rise to the Nazi's. Can we go out and say that since FDR's policies like the NEW DEAL didn't work that it's FDR's fault that 12 Million people died at the hands of the Nazi's.

And Katrina, I know this is beating a dead horse, but the Federal Government CANT invade a state. They need the States Permission to move the Military in to give aid, and the Democratic Governor and Demcoratic Mayor refused help for 3 days, which caused those people to die. The Federal Government is blameless if the State denied their help. And, did you really type out "Brownie"? Are you calling the Bush Administration Racist? Or, is that your own spin on things?

 

[Matt]

That's not an excuse.

While many things you've said are true that doesn't give president's the right to break laws or act badly no matter how stupid they are. No-one should be about the law.



History will judge everyone any way. That's not punishment. If it was every criminal whoever got caught would be walking the streets after their crimes were revealed to the public. That's not how justice works. Bush has done much worse to the country then an ordinary thug.

Where does personal responsibility come into this? Isn't that a Republican talking point? How does walking away untouched make him accountable?



That's denial, not turning the page.

The reason people won't forget about Bush is because our complaints are legitimate. It's not just Democrats in America, either. It's world wide.

The new guy being in office won't change the past. Obama being president doesn't erase what "mistakes" Bush did. The torture, the dead, the destroyed countries, privacy being a thing of the past in America for every citizen, America hiring mercenaries, the economy imploding all still happened. If he does not go after Bush his presidency will be short lived, too. That would be enabling behavior. Something which has stank up American politics for far to long.

Sigh...

What do you charge Bush with Major? Treason? Treason is the betrayl of one's country to a foreign entity. Bush did not do that, and if so it cannot be proven.

Torture? The only "torture," the administration admits to is waterboarding and other forms of psychological torment at the time these were not defined as torture. He cannot be charged as he would be grandfathered. There is no evidence of more extreme forms of torture and if it took place who will testify? Those who committed it and will put their heads on the block by admitting it or those whom it was committed against, many who have proven links to terror organizations. Not exactly credible witnesses.

Perjury? Bush was never under oath so even if he knowingly lied about WMDs he was not under oath.

The illegal invasion of Iraq? The Iraqi government would have to press that charge in the World Court and I really doubt they will.

The fact is, for the past 8 years people much smarter than us have joined their teams of lawyers in looking for a way to impeach him for something illegal and there is nothing there. Even if he committed crimes there is no way to prove it beyond all reasonable doubt. So why waste all the tax dollars to try him when he will just walk?

 

[Addendum]

Christ, Sube, have you forgotten "heck of a job Brownie"?

I would have thought you had some great memory. You seem to remember everything else

 

[Hobgoblin]

I normally do not criticize a mod, but sorry - for The Major to make the above comment is one thing, but for a Moderator to "Amen" such a juvenile and naive comment as the one above would be amusing if it wasn't so frustrating.

"Juvenile" and "naive." How so?

An affair is a sleazy thing to do, but its nothing compared to how Bush has treated the presidency.

If Demogoblin wants to make The Major-type posts, great! Do it! Just get rid of the Red Font.

Tell me how my opinion effects my ability as a moderator. Several posters have said I'm one of thier favorites because of my laid back attitude. Not permissive mind you, just less infraction happy.

 

[SuBe]

Christ, Sube, have you forgotten "heck of a job Brownie"?

I would have thought you had some great memory. You seem to remember everything else

I don't recall ever seeing that. Sounds Racist!

Edit: Or Delicous. I love brownies.

 

[Matt]

Ever heard of the Great Depression? That was a Global event also, that lead rise to the Nazi's. Can we go out and say that since FDR's policies like the NEW DEAL didn't work that it's FDR's fault that 12 Million people died at the hands of the Nazi's.

And Katrina, I know this is beating a dead horse, but the Federal Government CANT invade a state. They need the States Permission to move the Military in to give aid, and the Democratic Governor and Demcoratic Mayor refused help for 3 days, which caused those people to die. The Federal Government is blameless if the State denied their help. And, did you really type out "Brownie"? Are you calling the Bush Administration Racist? Or, is that your own spin on things?

Depending on whether or not Iraq becomes a stable democracy, Katrina will probably be remembered as Bush's biggest **** up...but strangely enough, it is one of the few things that is not his fault.

 

[Addendum]

I don't recall ever seeing that. Sounds Racist!

Edit: Or Delicous. I love brownies.

Yore haircut is racialist

 

[SuBe]

Yore haircut is racialist

I don't have hair, thank you.

You avatar is delicous!

 

[SuBe]

Depending on whether or not Iraq becomes a stable democracy, Katrina will probably be remembered as Bush's biggest **** up...but strangely enough, it is one of the few things that is not his fault.

Well, like I said before, we are still in Germany, and Japan. And they are 2 of the biggest economies in the world, where both of them are well known for their Technolgical Genius. Would that have ever happened if we didn't go in there and destroy their Dictatorial Regimes in the 40's?

 

[Hobgoblin]

Time will tell on what will happen in Iraq. I'm sure there wasnt a lot of certainty as to the fates of Germany and Japan after the war.

 

[Malice]

I am willing to make a bet.

Obama will NOT go after Bush and try to get charges pressed.
Any takers?

He wont do it. No President as ever done it (that I can remember). They blame previous administrations and even ridicule them, but wont try to hold them accountable in court. It wont happen.

Obama may try to put something in law that allows it to more easilly happen...but right now, to do that, would be catastrophic for the country. To bring him up on charges, SO MUCH secret info would have to go public. I just don't think it will ever happen.

 

[Raiden]

I don't recall ever seeing that. Sounds Racist!

Edit: Or Delicous. I love brownies.

Here's the quote from Bush back in 2005:

"Brownie, you're doing a heck of a job." --to FEMA director Michael Brown, who resigned 10 days later amid criticism over his handling of the Hurricane Katrina debacle, Mobile, Ala., Sept. 2, 2005

 

[souvlaki]

Yeah, I'm fairly positive that it was not a serious article.

Who is the author? There was a satirist that writes articles on Huffington Post. He posted one a few months back about something equally ridiculous and had me fooled for a couple minutes until I realized he basically wrote the Huffington Post equivalent of Onion articles.

Edit- nevermind. Found the article. Different author. I guess the transition from marginal credibility to zero credibility is finally complete for the Huffington Post.

 

[Raiden]

I am willing to make a bet.

Obama will NOT go after Bush and try to get charges pressed.
Any takers?

He wont do it. No President as ever done it (that I can remember). They blame previous administrations and even ridicule them, but wont try to hold them accountable in court. It wont happen.

Obama may try to put something in law that allows it to more easilly happen...but right now, to do that, would be catastrophic for the country. To bring him up on charges, SO MUCH secret info would have to go public. I just don't think it will ever happen.

As much as I would like Obama to go after Bush, I don't think it will happen either. Obama's got a full plate on his to-do list, and it will only distract him from his agendas and the country won't want that to happen; they'd rather have Obama tackle economy, wars, and even health care first.

 

[Malice]

As much as I would like Obama to go after Bush, I don't think it will happen either. Obama's got a full plate on his to-do list, and it will only distract him from his agendas and the country won't want that to happen; they'd rather have Obama tackle economy, wars, and even health care first.

I completely agree.
And then you get to a certain aspect of how and what can you hold them accountable to....that is such a grey area.

 

[SuBe]

Time will tell on what will happen in Iraq. I'm sure there wasnt a lot of certainty as to the fates of Germany and Japan after the war.

Do you mean Uncertainy? I don't see how anyone could be certain that Germany and Japan wouldn't have ended up as failures in the 40s and 50s.

But, look how it turned out, if we continue to stablize Iraq, it could spread freedom to other parts of the Middle East. Just like how most of Europe Stablized after WW2, and how South Korea Stablized after the Korean Conflict.

Adding Freedom and Liberty to any country can't end up badly.

 

[Addendum]

Dude that's harsh.

Onion articles are written better

 

[DorkyFresh]

I completely agree.
And then you get to a certain aspect of how and what can you hold them accountable to....that is such a grey area.

not to mention, it seems like Bush did everything he could to make this transition smooth...so it could be seen as a nasty maneuver on Obama's part. i'd love to see Bush under investigation, but for the reasons you and Raiden described, i don't see it happening either.