BvS The BvS Rumor/Speculation Discussion Thread! - Part 2

[Guts]

Is Louis a new character?

 

[jokesonm3]

Shout out to Lois Lanes annoying cousin from Boston, Louis Lane.

So annoying even Superman doesn't want to save him.

 

[Fallen Angel]

Goyer didn't even deny Perry knows but he also said Perry didn't get where he is (Editor of a newspaper) without keeping a few secret's. And it's good that Perry knows too.

http://www.empireonline.com/features/man-of-steel-secrets/p10

"Obviously we sidestepped the alter ego problem in this movie. We were conscious of that. Obviously it’s not an issue with Lois. Moving forward she’s his secret keeper, and part of the fun for us if we do move forward is they will be involved in a real relationship and she will be part of that, maintaining that fiction. Part of the fun of doing this though, and Chris has always said this, is that sometimes you write yourself into a corner, but you have to follow it to its logical conclusion and see if you can figure a way out of it.
"I think that Perry’s not an idiot either – Perry knows they have a connection, he saw that they kissed – and at the end of the film we are very aware of that. So one would presume that moving forward Perry would say, ‘What’s the deal here?’

 

[hurley711]

So that answers the question about the government not putting 2 and 2 together?

Dodge the entire 2nd part of the point with the farm the Smallville attack it's pretty clear that anyone with common sense would realize Clark is Superman. There is suspense of belief in the CBM world and there is bad writing. This is bad lazy writing.

 

[Fallen Angel]

So that answers the question about the government not putting 2 and 2 together?

General Swanwick and Colonel Hardy are the only ones who got close enough. One is confidant of sorts' the other is in the Phantom Zone. And suspension of disbelief in the glasses man. No one is going to think Superman lead's a double life as a journalist.

 

[Mainline]

So that answers the question about the government not putting 2 and 2 together?

Dodge the entire 2nd part of the point with the farm the Smallville attack it's pretty clear that anyone with common sense would realize Clark is Superman. There is suspense of belief in the CBM world and there is bad writing. This is bad lazy writing.

This is a poorly thought out criticism and shows how people are willing to just rant on and on about a perceived flaw without ever thinking through their objection. Hilariously, you started down this unbidden. Nothing in this thread would lead someone to post on this, but some nudge caused you to say, "I'm going to irrationally rant on some perceived MOS failing now and by gum, I'm going to stick by it like it matters!"

What?

Think it through for a half-second longer than it took you to decide to post a poorly conceived criticism. Our hero found a journalist secreted away in a secure location without the support of an intelligence network. He took down an otherwise undetectable surveillance drone and delivered it to the unpublished location of a high-ranking military official in real-time. He's obviously able to gather information on American secrets seemingly at will. He's capable of traveling across the planet in under a minute and able to fell entire buildings with a mere look... but he's already cooperated on a joint mission with your forces and aligned his interests with yours.

You want to talk about secrets? Who do you think has more to lose if that exchange of publication if they push on an identity that's already their ally... compared to Superman releasing information about the government's indiscretions from black ops to the Suicide Squad? Cynically, it's clearly a case of Mutually Assured Destruction, except not for Superman... he just moves to a country ready to welcome him with open arms, while the USA sits smoldering in the blowback for its secrets revealed. The US would have to be as short-sighted, half-cocked, and small-minded as the critic who raises this issue to press the issue. Superman holds all the trump cards in this. It's completely reasonable for the government to either give up or not act upon the secret because there's literally no upside to it.

At best you get some leverage on someone who's already on your side... at worst, you turn an asset into an enemy and make him an ally to another state. Proposing persistence in this is as crazy as saying you actively look for things to blackmail your friends and family with.

 

[Charlatan]

General Swanwick and Colonel Hardy are the only ones who got close enough. One is confidant of sorts' the other is in the Phantom Zone. And suspension of disbelief in the glasses man. No one is going to think Superman lead's a double life as a journalist.

did the military ever show up at the farm? I know they showed up at Smallville town but did they come to the farm itself?

Also the residents of Smallville would certainly recognize Clark. If I had to wager a guess everyone who knows is behind him ,supporting him and will keep his secret.

 

[Guts]

did the military ever show up at the farm? I know they showed up at Smallville town but did they come to the farm itself?

Also the residents of Smallville would certainly recognize Clark. If I had to wager a guess everyone who knows is behind him ,supporting him and will keep his secret.

I think Pete Ross recognized him when Superman and Faora were fighting in the Ihop.

 

[Rowsdower!]

I think it's a pretty big stretch to assume that the kid you used to know who could push a school bus out of a lake is the super-powered guy who looks exactly like him.

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

Here is my question... How come no one asks how Batman can continually leave various flotsam around Gotham City up to and including the wreckage of the Tumbler in TDK but no one can back track any of that back to Wayne? And no, despite blowing the wreckage up there would still be enough left over to lead back to Wayne Tech. And before anyone fan wanks that off screen Bruce scaped off anything, serial numbers ect. that could ID the Tumbler as a Wayne product (including every electronic component, micro chip...) let me answer the question: The reason is suspension of disbelief and these aren't germane to the story they chose to tell. Would that Superman got the same slack.

 

[MaceB]

The degree of separation is important. It's not conducive to a good discussion to pretend that because we can find out the identity of other heroes, that it's now unnecessary to talk about secret identities all together. Superman has a unique problem. Buying that no one would consider Bruce Wayne is a masked vigilant is different in degree to Superman's face being viewable to coworkers 40 hours a week. On one end, there might be difficulty in suspending disbelief sure; but on the other, it's down right absurd to suspend disbelief, because it's just too big of a leap (for me personally and others.) I'm aware that it's a part of the character and there's no doing away with it... but I'm so tired of people chastising the problem as irrelevant. It's not irrelevant, it's an 80 year old plot hole that gets more and more difficult to swallow as time goes by.

 

[rockandrollsoul]

It's been said many times before, but if a co-worker who looked identical to a celebrity presented themselves differently (clothes, hair, glasses, mannerisms, etc.), and especially if that co-workers personality seemed at odds with said celebrity, most would probably assume they were not said celebrity but rather just shared a great resemblance.

 

[MaceB]

Meh, we'll just have to disagree on that one. The idea that I could be working 40 hours every week next to President Obama, and after years, I just assumed they shared similar faces, voices, and work hours.... well that's a bit much for me personally. Nothing I can do about it of course. This is how Superman has always been represented; it's how he'll continue to be represented.

 

[Urich Leeds]

Here is my question... How come no one asks how Batman can continually leave various flotsam around Gotham City up to and including the wreckage of the Tumbler in TDK but no one can back track any of that back to Wayne? And no, despite blowing the wreckage up there would still be enough left over to lead back to Wayne Tech. And before anyone fan wanks that off screen Bruce scaped off anything, serial numbers ect. that could ID the Tumbler as a Wayne product (including every electronic component, micro chip...) let me answer the question: The reason is suspension of disbelief and these aren't germane to the story they chose to tell. Would that Superman got the same slack.

Someone did do this. In the Dark Knight. And he almost got killed for knowing Bruce's identity.

 

[Da-Scribe]

Thing is, there's no shortage of people on the planet that will look like Superman. A lot will probably bank their livelihood on that; models, actors, impersonators. One nobody journalist in one of the largest cities in the country isn't going to raise very many flags in the grand scheme of things. Even if it did, the conversation will probably go something like this:

Random person #4: Oh my god it's, Superman!
Clark while fumbling over something simple: I wish.

Moment passes. Random person walks away. Crisis averted.

 

[MaceB]

Da-Scribe - I'm open to that. I hope they do as you say though and address it casually like that. If they just straight up ignore it, it'll be hard not to be a little annoyed. I mean, sure, there are lots of 6 ft black haired dudes out there, but it'd be crazy if it wasn't at least a little bit of an issue for Clark. I mean, outside of the movie-universe, it'd be crazy to think that someone wouldn't notice... so at least give Clark some apprehension.

I remember the MOS posters sort of alluded to the idea that Superman can't really be photographed in focus. I think that'd be a good idea as well. Or maybe Supes just makes a serious effort to not be around long enough to be easily recorded.

 

[B]

Clark supposedly living with Lois is what people have issue/hard time believing in terms on the context of the movie.. but the glasses being a plausible disguise is fine..

 

[superboy13]

Thing is, there's no shortage of people on the planet that will look like Superman. A lot will probably bank their livelihood on that; models, actors, impersonators. One nobody journalist in one of the largest cities in the country isn't going to raise very many flags in the grand scheme of things. Even if it did, the conversation will probably go something like this:

Random person #4: Oh my god it's, Superman!
Clark while fumbling over something simple: I wish.

Moment passes. Random person walks away. Crisis averted.

There was a scene in the third episode of Lois and Clark where Lois is describing Superman to a sketch artist. She describes his features and the guy says "Like Clark?", so Lois replies something like "This is Superman we're talking about, not some average Tom, Dick or Clark". Something like that. That's all you really need.

 

[Dr.]

In the BvS trailer, we see Superman paying a visit to his mother on the farm. Now if that’s the only Smallville scene in the movie, then the issue of local residents knowing (or suspecting) the secret identity is dodged. So that just leaves Perry and Swanwick.

In Batman Begins, it seemed as if Fox knew the secret - and that Bruce knew that Fox knew. (But there was no actual confirmation of this until TDK.) A similar “understanding” might exist between Clark and Perry.

 

[Micromind]

Even if few people in Smallville, like Pete Ross, Lana Lang, Perry White and Gen. Swanwick know (or suspect) that Clark Kent could be Superman, that does not necessarily mean that general public will know about it and have some proof to establish that.

 

[dhandler01]

In the BvS trailer, we see Superman paying a visit to his mother on the farm. Now if that’s the only Smallville scene in the movie, then the issue of local residents knowing (or suspecting) the secret identity is dodged. So that just leaves Perry and Swanwick.

In Batman Begins, it seemed as if Fox knew the secret - and that Bruce knew that Fox knew. (But there was no actual confirmation of this until TDK.) A similar “understanding” might exist between Clark and Perry.

No it was pretty obvious Fox knew, he just didnt want Wayne to tell him cause then he can be honest when asked.

 

[mrmajors60]

It's been said many times before, but if a co-worker who looked identical to a celebrity presented themselves differently (clothes, hair, glasses, mannerisms, etc.), and especially if that co-workers personality seemed at odds with said celebrity, most would probably assume they were not said celebrity but rather just shared a great resemblance.

this 100%. I mean just look at celebs that even look alike. Isla fisher and amy adams, chad smith and will ferrell, katy perry and zoe dechenel. heck keira knightly and natalie portman look so much alike they were interchangeable in the phantom menace

 

[I Am The Knight]

There was a scene in the third episode of Lois and Clark where Lois is describing Superman to a sketch artist. She describes his features and the guy says "Like Clark?", so Lois replies something like "This is Superman we're talking about, not some average Tom, Dick or Clark". Something like that. That's all you really need.

No it isn't, but whatever.

Honestly, it's best to not even call attention to the glasses disguise.

 

[superboy13]

No it isn't, but whatever.

Honestly, it's best to not even call attention to the glasses disguise.

Of course it is. Either you buy it and enjoy the movie, or you can go watch some pretentious Iñarritu crapfest.

 

[LaserBees]

In Batman Begins, it seemed as if Fox knew the secret - and that Bruce knew that Fox knew. (But there was no actual confirmation of this until TDK.) A similar “understanding” might exist between Clark and Perry.

I love the idea of Superman and Perry White having an unspoken understanding. Not stated or a full-on partnership like with Lois, just an understanding.