BvS The BvS Ultimate Cut Thread - Part 1

[AnneFan]

I'm most looking forward to the funeral scene as some of you said it is far more effective.

I like what they did there.

 

[Jekecy]

I'm so surprised Jon Snepp liked it I'm actually thinking if he is faking it considering how much he hated the TC. Three of those guys see a "Night and Day" difference. How's that possible?

1/6th of a movie being added back in, that's how.

 

[AnneFan]

1/6th of a movie being added back in, that's how.

Indeed. The Theatrical works, but it thrives in full context (UC).

 

[Binker]

Amazon FINALLY has it up for digital dl

 

[vantheman77]

BvS Ultimate Cut is what should have been for WB if they released it first instead of the theatrical cut. The UC was better for Superman while the theatrical cut benefited Batman. 2 and half hours is not enough to contain three heroes in Superman, Batman, and Wonder Woman. But regardless the result still remains the same as Superman was defeated by Batman and killed by Doomsday.

 

[Willi Berg]

BvS Ultimate Cut is what should have been for WB if they released it first instead of the theatrical cut. The UC was better for Superman while the theatrical cut benefited Batman. 2 and half hours is not enough to contain three heroes in Superman, Batman, and Wonder Woman. But regardless the result still remains the same as Superman was defeated by Batman and killed by Doomsday.

Yes Superman was sacrificed in many ways.

 

[Binker]

Yes Superman was sacrificed in many ways.

He still saved the world in the end. And I guess given the funeral in how they treated him, he is finally seen as a human rather than just an alien, or a god, or even a monster. Don't know what will happen once he's resurrected, but we can worry about that later.

 

[vantheman77]

Yes Superman was sacrificed in many ways.

They sacrificed a lot of good Superman material for Batman's screentime in the film. I wish there was more to the fight between Superman and Batman because it was still one-sided between them.

 

[AnneFan]

I think it had to be one sided. To show Batman was so far gone, committed to being brutal. He was a one-track mind at that point, and it's more of a tragedy than a fist pumping situation. He realises this himself just in time.

 

[Jekecy]

They sacrificed a lot of good Superman material for Batman's screentime in the film. I wish there was more to the fight between Superman and Batman because it was still one-sided between them.

Kinda has to be for the fight to be remotely plausible. The only leveling you could use is taking away Supes powers.

If the fight is still even at that point, Batman looks tremendously bad because combat is his thing. He has a superior skill set and a 20-year head start. I wouldn't expect Clark to stand a chance.

 

[AnneFan]

When he's not weakened, Supes was winning. That's all that counts.

 

[Mr. Forest]

I already like the film before, but a lot of my previous issues were answered with the Ultimate Edition. The thing I love most is how it give Henry Cavill much more to do, evening up his screen-time with Ben Affleck.

 

[OutOfBoose]

Watched Ultimate Edition. What a gorgeous, grand and epic film. I will love it forever. That being said, my summary is this:

My score remains the same - 8/10. My favorite improvement - Clark was edited back, he's a genuinely good person in this film, who tries to do the best. His motivations are explained and IMO work as intended. The film is really improved in the first half, while the second half remains mostly the same, safe the funeral sequence and the communion scene. There's some superfluous stuff, that wasn't really needed, but it doesn't take away from the film and fleshes the world a bit. Also makes the film a bit slower.

My problems with the film. It does little to explain what Luthor wanted to do with the ship and creation of Doomsday. Monkey with a grenade doesn't really suit the character of Luthor. Some illogical stuff and plot holes hold this film back too. Second half of the movie is quite clumsy at times.

My scores for other CBMs this year: Deadpool - 8/10, Captain America: Civil War - 8/10, X-Men: Apocalypse - 4/10.

 

[Kanye West]

Why is everyone saying the africa scene is so much better?

I haven't seen it yet but can someone explain what the UC explains more in it?

 

[combocaz]

Why is everyone saying the africa scene is so much better?

I haven't seen it yet but can someone explain what the UC explains more in it?

Its plays into lexs plan and how everything fits. It makes the movie flow better. Its amazing how a few seconds of a cut scene can change the whole outlook of the movie. Im amazed they cut the final scene with

Spoiler

batman and lex talking about arkham asylum.

should have been in the movie.

 

[Jaxon]

Watched Ultimate Edition. What a gorgeous, grand and epic film. I will love it forever. That being said, my summary is this:

My score remains the same - 7/10. Means my rating for TC goes lower to 6/10. My favorite improvement - Clark was edited back, he's a genuinely good person in this film, who tries to do the best. His motivations are explained and IMO work as intended. The film is really improved in the first half, while the second half remains mostly the same, safe the funeral sequence and the communion scene. There's some superfluous stuff, that wasn't really needed, but it doesn't take away from the film and fleshes the world a bit. Also makes the film a bit slower.

My problems with the film. It does little to explain what Luthor wanted to do with the ship and creation of Doomsday. Monkey with a grenade doesn't really suit the character of Luthor. Some illogical stuff and plot holes hold this film back too. Second half of the movie is quite clumsy at times.

My scores for other CBMs this year: Deadpool - 8/10, Captain America: Civil War - 8/10, X-Men: Apocalypse - 4/10.

Lex creating Doomsday is not a "plot hole". He creates Doomsday in order to kill Superman. If you follow his motivation "you can not be all powerful and all good" then this is his only move.

Think of the alternative. Superman beats Batman (the likely outcome in Lex's mind). That would mean he successfully has demonised Superman for killing someone but still has to deal with Superman. He asks the scout ship how to kill Superman ("create Doomsday") and that's what he does.
Does he really think that Doomsday will go and destroy the world? No. he thinks he might be able to gain control over it since it has his DNA, and he was willing to risk it because his plan was already in motion.
Plus, Doomsday is the living embodiment of being "all powerful, but not all good."
So whatever outcome, he proves he is right.

Except he can not predict that Batman and Superman would resolve their difference, save Martha, and get support from Wonder Woman.

 

[Kanye West]

Its plays into lexs plan and how everything fits. It makes the movie flow better. Its amazing how a few seconds of a cut scene can change the whole outlook of the movie. Im amazed they cut the final scene with

Spoiler

batman and lex talking about arkham asylum.

should have been in the movie.

I don't care about spoilers but what exactly is added? I won't be able to watch the UC for a bit so i'm just curious

 

[matt47]

Why is everyone saying the africa scene is so much better?

I haven't seen it yet but can someone explain what the UC explains more in it?

You get an actual introduction to Jimmy and Lois, all the characters say more lines.
You see the aftermath, KG killing more people and flame thrower-ing them.

 

[AnneFan]

Indeed.

Spoiler

The 'Superman killed everyone' plot is in regards to the burnt bodies, suggesting he used heat vision.

Supes saves the village from being wiped out from a missile, too.

 

[Paradox1]

Lex creating Doomsday is not a "plot hole". He creates Doomsday in order to kill Superman. If you follow his motivation "you can not be all powerful and all good" then this is his only move.

Think of the alternative. Superman beats Batman (the likely outcome in Lex's mind). That would mean he successfully has demonised Superman for killing someone but still has to deal with Superman. He asks the scout ship how to kill Superman ("create Doomsday") and that's what he does.
Does he really think that Doomsday will go and destroy the world? No. he thinks he might be able to gain control over it since it has his DNA, and he was willing to risk it because his plan was already in motion.
Plus, Doomsday is the living embodiment of being "all powerful, but not all good."
So whatever outcome, he proves he is right.

Except he can not predict that Batman and Superman would resolve their difference, save Martha, and get support from Wonder Woman.

To me Lex came off as feeling like he's been cheated cause he has all this brain power. Yet compared to Superman as well as the other meta humans no actual power. He hints at in the party scene when he is giving a speech and he says something about knowledge is power and contradiction. As far as Doomsday I don't think he cared if he destroyed the world. The scene with the ship, I always assumed he was learning. I now think he made contact with Apocalpyse,cut a deal for the motherboxes and was planning to leave the earth behind.

 

[Jumpman]

The featurettes on the Digital HD copy of BvS are great, especially the WONDER WOMAN featurette....

 

[matt47]

Anyone else think the Communion scene completely ruins the mood?

 

[Crystalice1]

I already loved BvS. Is it safe to say this will be even better?

 

[Herolee10]

Anyone else think the Communion scene completely ruins the mood?

I do. I feel like, in light of everything that had just happened before the communion scene (Doomsday Battle and Superman's death), it just made things feel a bit bloated.

 

[AnneFan]

Anyone else think the Communion scene completely ruins the mood?

I can see what you mean, but I'm glad it's there. Actually seeing Lex getting captured is rather important to me.