The Clinton Thread

[DACrowe]

I read most of the GQ article. I thought it was interesting, though I think Penn is stubborn to not admit that a) Trying to paint her as a dominating unbeatable statue was a mistake and b) blames the media too much about her loss. He admits not having campaign plans in caucus states and after Feb. 5 was a mistake (no ****), but I feel he marganalizes it too much to "the media didn't give her a fair shake and there was sexism." To me the irony is when he says this he also says they don't play the gender card, but anyone who criticized her on pundit shows that did not use obviously sexist remarks (like John Gibson, Sean Hannity, Tucker Carlson, etc.) was still attacking her, because she's a woman. And he defends his mistakes at the turn of the year starting back in October as those "protecting her from sexism," when he just made her vulnerable to it. If she had listen to her other campaign officials and had been doing what she was doing in March, April and May back in October through February, she could have won the nomination (again, ignoring the caucuses was stupid).

But it was a good read. I like how the writer btw was obviously fielding him mostly sypmathetic questions and repeatedly referred to Obama's popularity with a phrase involving the word sh it. Still a good read. And also if you consider "pointing out Obama's contradictions and previous votes in the senate" as not attacking, you can't turn around and say he personally attacked her when she took a faulty stance after the late great Tim Russert slammed her on Meet the Press.

Still thanks for posting, it was quite interesting.

 

[Matt]

'Back to work' for Clinton
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/06/23/its-back-to-work-for-clinton/

Call me crazy, but I support elected officials resigning if they are going to launch a nationwide campaign. What percentage of votes did Senators Clinton and Obama make over this past year? Isn't it something ridiculously low, like 25 %? These people are being paid by our tax dollars to do a job, a job they are not doing. Why are we giving them waaaay more vacation pay than any other person would get, so they can go around and apply for a better job? Too late for Clinton and the others but McCain and Obama should both resign, IMO.

 

[Marx]

Call me crazy, but I support elected officials resigning if they are going to launch a nationwide campaign. What percentage of votes did Senators Clinton and Obama make over this past year? Isn't it something ridiculously low, like 25 %? These people are being paid by our tax dollars to do a job, a job they are not doing. Why are we giving them waaaay more vacation pay than any other person would get, so they can go around and apply for a better job? Too late for Clinton and the others but McCain and Obama should both resign, IMO.

I see what you're saying, but I'm calling you crazy! I completely disagree. What you're saying is basically "if you run for the Presidency, you should resign from your current post." Do you have any idea how many good credible people would be missing from Congress if your rule was instituted???????

 

[Matt]

No, I'm not saying when you run, I am saying when you launch your nationwide campaign. Dodd and Biden for example, did not really campaign beyond Iowa and New Hampshire. Once your campaign goes national (post-South Carolina), you ought to resign.

 

[The Senator]

I believe the nominees should resign from Congress, not prospective nominees.

 

[Matt]

I believe the nominees should resign from Congress, not prospective nominees.

I think if your campaign is still a serious contender after South Carolina (which is when campaigns tend to go national), you ought to resign.

 

[Marx]

No, I'm not saying when you run, I am saying when you launch your nationwide campaign. Dodd and Biden for example, did not really campaign beyond Iowa and New Hampshire. Once your campaign goes national (post-South Carolina), you ought to resign.

That's madness man! I can agree with respect to actual nominees, but not prospective ones.

 

[Matt]

Why? Starting from a year before Super Tuesday 2008 to Super Tuesday 2008, Obama attended 23 % of his senate votes. I believe Clinton's number was similar. If they aren't doing their job, because they are running a nation wide campaign, nominee or not, they ought to resign, simply because they are not doing their job.

 

[The Senator]

I think if your campaign is still a serious contender after South Carolina (which is when campaigns tend to go national), you ought to resign.

I think that's silly.

Campaigns like that usually only last a few weeks to a month after South Carolina.

The 2008 election was different, in that regard.

But you're saying that Senators should have to resign when all they'll miss is a few weeks? During a time Congress is usually out of session anyway?

 

[Marx]

Why? Starting from a year before Super Tuesday 2008 to Super Tuesday 2008, Obama attended 23 % of his senate votes. I believe Clinton's number was similar. If they aren't doing their job, because they are running a nation wide campaign, nominee or not, they ought to resign, simply because they are not doing their job.

I completely understand what you're saying, and I get why you're saying it...but...

I'm thinking we're going to have to agree to disagree on this one

 

[Matt]

I think that's silly.

Campaigns like that usually only last a few weeks to a month after South Carolina.

The 2008 election was different, in that regard.

But you're saying that Senators should have to resign when all they'll miss is a few weeks? During a time Congress is usually out of session anyway?

Entire year leading up to the election, Obama voted less than one-third of the time. Before a single vote was cast. If you're not going to be there, doing the job you are paid to do, whatever the reason, or whenever it will end, you ought to resign.

 

[Matt]

I completely understand what you're saying, and I get why you're saying it...but...

I'm thinking we're going to have to agree to disagree on this one

Agreed! t:

 

[Marx]

Pelosi: Clinton may run again
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/06/24/clinton-may-run-again-pelosi-says/

 

[Tag279]

Why? Starting from a year before Super Tuesday 2008 to Super Tuesday 2008, Obama attended 23 % of his senate votes. I believe Clinton's number was similar. If they aren't doing their job, because they are running a nation wide campaign, nominee or not, they ought to resign, simply because they are not doing their job.

That is not entirely accurate Matt

The Capitol Briefing by Ben Pershing of the Washington Post
McCain Misses 42nd Straight Vote ... and Counting May 17, 2008

Sen. John McCain (R-Campaign Trail) missed another vote today on a resolution related to the Iraq war, skipping a procedural move on a war funding measure in favor of hitting the campaign trail in New York.
In fact, McCain's missed vote today marked his fifth straight week without casting a vote on the Senate floor, with this morning's vote marking the 42nd straight roll call that he has missed.
Since the first-quarter fundraising period for presidential candidates ended March 31, McCain has made just three floor votes. He hasn't cast a single vote since the full details of his wildly disappointing presidential campaign's fundraising report were revealed in mid-April.
If McCain misses the next three votes -- the $2.9 trillion fiscal 2008 budget is likely to be voted on this afternoon -- he will officially have been absent for 50 percent of the more than 170 roll calls held in the chamber so far in the 110th Congress.
Granted, McCain isn't the only senator missing votes in favor of the presidential campaign trail. And as his staff has pointed out repeatedly, none of McCain's missed votes has made the difference in a bill's fate. In a statement to Capitol Briefing, McCain's campaign said, "Regrettably, it is impossible for a presidential candidate to avoid missing votes. The Senator has not missed a vote where his vote would have affected the outcome, and he will make every effort to be in the Senate on the occasions when it would."
One of McCain's strongest backers is Sen. Trent Lott (R-Miss.), the Republican whip who would presumably make sure McCain got back to Capitol Hill for particularly close votes.
But the other 2008 contenders in the Senate have made an effort to be on the floor this spring. Take Sen. Sam Brownback (R-Kansas), who trails McCain as the most absentee senator (Not including Tim Johnson of South Dakota, who has missed every vote this year as he's recovered from a brain hemorrhage). Brownback missed a series of votes Tuesday related to a water resources bill as he, McCain and the rest of the GOP field gathered in South Carolina for a candidates debate. But by 10:44 a.m. ET yesterday when the vote began on an amendment to cut off funding for the Iraq war, Brownback was in the chamber to vote against the provision.
In fact, McCain was the only senator running for president who missed Wednesday's vote. Parsing his campaign statement, Senate watchers shouldn't expect McCain in the Capitol very often; his pledge is only to "make every effort" to vote when he would make the difference in the outcome.
Today McCain will be in New York raising money at a private event and then speaking to the Empire State's GOP state committee dinner in Manhattan. McCain was in the Washington area for at least part of today, too, attending a 1:30 p.m. ET press conference at the Capitol to help announce a bipartisan Senate agreement on immigration legislation. He left before the event was over, presumably heading for the Big Apple.
To be fair to the senator, this morning's vote was essentially a sense-of-the-Senate resolution on troop safety in Iraq that simply moves the supplemental spending bill on Iraq back into a House-Senate conference. McCain has been a steadfast supporter of President Bush's recent handling of the Iraq war, so his views are widely known on this issue.
And for anyone wondering about Democratic frontrunners Hillary Rodham Clinton (N.Y.) and Barack Obama (Ill.), they have missed just 1.8 percent and 6.4 percent of votes this year, respectively.
UPDATE: McCain did in fact miss the budget vote Thursday afternoon, as he headed north for his political events in Manhattan. That means he's missed 43 straight Senate votes...

 

[Marx]

YES...I'M BRINGING THIS THREAD BACK FROM THE DEAD!

Now that Hillary Clinton has been nominated by Barack Obama for Secretary of State, who do you think will be picked to fill her Senate seat? Any ideas? Suggestions?

Discuss.

 

[Kelly]

YES...I'M BRINGING THIS THREAD BACK FROM THE DEAD!

Now that Hillary Clinton has been nominated by Barack Obama for Secretary of State, who do you think will be picked to fill her Senate seat? Any ideas? Suggestions?

Discuss.

Some are saying Bill...........


And hell he'll have time because he won't do as many speaking engagements overseas since he can no longer take money for these overseas speaking engagements if Hillary is confirmed.

 

[Marx]

Some are saying Bill...........


And hell he'll have time because he won't do as many speaking engagements overseas since he can no longer take money for these overseas speaking engagements if Hillary is confirmed.

Well, it wouldn't be the first time that a former president became a senator.

BUT

BILL NOT INTERESTED IN HILLARY'S SENATE SEAT
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/12/02/bill-not-interested-in-hillarys-senate-seat/

 

[Kelly]

Well, it wouldn't be the first time that a former president became a senator.

BUT

BILL NOT INTERESTED IN HILLARY'S SENATE SEAT
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/12/02/bill-not-interested-in-hillarys-senate-seat/

This is true, and yeah I doubt he would take the seat as well.....

 

[Matt]

So, I think Hill-dog's appointment basically confirms that she, not Joe Biden, will be Obama's running mate in 2012.

 

[Kelly]

Really? Damn, sucks for Biden.....

 

[rdh007]

So, I think Hill-dog's appointment basically confirms that she, not Joe Biden, will be Obama's running mate in 2012.

That makes sense. Then she can run for president as a 69 year old in 2016, no matter who wins in '12. Maybe the 90's will be so much back in fashion, she'll win.

 

[jaymes_e06]

I love the idea of her as the SOS *hehe* (I just realized what that says abbreviated. lol) but yeah I think she will be a fantastic SOS *HEHEHE* (still funny)

 

[Matt]

Really? Damn, sucks for Biden.....

Yeah. He is kinda getting screwed if such is the case. Though I'm sure by that point retirement may be nice for him.

That makes sense. Then she can run for president as a 69 year old in 2016, no matter who wins in '12. Maybe the 90's will be so much back in fashion, she'll win.

Its weird to think in 2016 that the 90s will be like what the 80s are now.

 

[jaymes_e06]

Yeah. He is kinda getting screwed if such is the case. Though I'm sure by that point retirement may be nice for him.

I'm not sure he would think so. You ask him even today who SHOULD have been the vice President elective in his opinion and he will say Hillary was the better candidate by far.

 

[Kelly]

I'm not sure he would think so. You ask him even today who SHOULD have been the vice President elective in his opinion and he will say Hillary was the better candidate by far.

Do you have a source, or quote of him saying this?