The Clinton Thread

[Excel]

What does Huckabee have anything to do with the Obama/Clinton Race?

Why are you thanking him? That makes no sense whatsoever.

The "they dont have the amount of delegates needed to win, until they do its not over" argument is the same the Huckster used

 

[SuBe]

The "they dont have the amount of delegates needed to win, until they do its not over" argument is the same the Huckster used

AHHH, ok. I was thinking that someone was confused and was saying Huck was in the Democrat Party. My Bad, dawg.

Carry on.

 

[The Senator]

The "they dont have the amount of delegates needed to win, until they do its not over" argument is the same the Huckster used

They're nowhere near the same! Neither candidate will have the amount of delegates necessary to win the nomination before the convention. There are six states left. Why should Hillary drop out, knowing full well that this will not be decided even after all the states have weighed in? Why not let these states, which traditionally never have a say in the nominating process, have their voices heard like the 44 states which have already decided? It doesn't make sense to force a candidate to drop out when the other candidate is just as likely as she is to win the nomination at this point. Mike Huckabee, on the other hand, stayed in until it was clear that the party had decided their nominee. He didn't want McCain to be handed the nomination. And guess what? When McCain earned the amount of delegates needed to become the defacto Republican nominee, Huckabee dropped out of the race!

If Obama was ten delegates away from winning the nomination, then yes, I'd say she should drop out because there is no way she'd be able to win at this point. I'd say that she could continue through Pennsylvania, but once Obama became the defacto nominee, she should drop out. But since they both won't have the 2025 delegates needed, neither one of them has a reason to leave this race.

It's funny that some of the same people who complain about Florida and Michigan being seated, and used the false rationale "rules are rules," are calling for Clinton to exit, when the rules explicitly state that a candidate needs 2025 delegates to win the nomination and Obama has yet to reach that magic number. It's truly baffling to me.

I can't imagine how some of you would have reacted fifty years ago, when the nominees weren't decided until the convention. In fact, it wasn't until 1984, the year the party made primary frontloading and superdelegates the new fad, when Democratic candidates won the nomination without going to the convention. Even Carter had to fight, somewhat, against Ted Kennedy in 1980. Now that we've gone back to that era, where there is no clear winner, we have no idea what to do with ourselves. The rules are rules. No one has won yet, and no one will win until every voter has weighed in and there is a candidate taking center stage in Denver to deliver his or her acceptance speech.

 

[Zen]

No, she shouldn't drop out, because she can still win at the convention even if she loses the remaining of the states.

Not that it matters, since the Democratic Party will be defeated by McCain in November anyway.

Besides, Hillary will be in a better position to be the nominee, considering 1/4 of her supporters are willing to vote for McCain over Obama, whereas 20% of Obama's supporters would vote for McCain. I mean, we're only talking a difference of five percent... so it's just a question of whether McCain will win with 55% or 57% of the vote.

conservative supreme court justices living out there natural lives, stompin on the social laws you would like to see some kind of progress on.

but mark warner will eventually be president

 

[The Senator]

conservative supreme court justices living out there natural lives, stompin on the social laws you would like to see some kind of progress on.

but mark warner will eventually be president

The chances that McCain will be able to appoint extreme right-wingers to the Supreme Court are very slim. Do you think the Democratic Party, which will expand upon its majority, will vote to confirm people like that? At worst, McCain will appoint a Sandra Day-O'Connor like figure, someone who is a true moderate who will actually review precedents set in this country before weighing a decision. You won't get a Samuel Alito-like figure confirmed in this Congress, considering he had trouble being confirmed when there was a Republican-controlled Congress.

 

[SuBe]

conservative supreme court justices living out there natural lives, stompin on the social laws you would like to see some kind of progress on.

but mark warner will eventually be president

Better than Liberal Supreme Court Justices Piss'n on the Constitution. In my humble opinion ofcourse.

 

[Zen]

The chances that McCain will be able to appoint extreme right-wingers to the Supreme Court are very slim. Do you think the Democratic Party, which will expand upon its majority, will vote to confirm people like that? At worst, McCain will appoint a Sandra Day-O'Connor like figure, someone who is a true moderate who will actually review precedents set in this country before weighing a decision. You won't get a Samuel Alito-like figure confirmed in this Congress, considering he had trouble being confirmed when there was a Republican-controlled Congress.

2 spots are going to open... there was only one sandra day oconnor... i hope beyond hope that would be the case. but replacing liberal judges with moderates is unbalancing. the right wing judges are not being replaced with moderates.


alito got through.

 

[Matt]

That was also in January. We're approaching April. If She loses NC, she needs to drop out for the sake of the party.

If she still has the possibility of winning, she should not drop out. It would be a slap in the face to the 50 % of the Democratic party that is voting for her. Huckabee was statistically out of the race. Clinton is not and will not be even if she loses North Carolina.

 

[hippie_hunter]

That was also in January. We're approaching April. If She loses NC, she needs to drop out for the sake of the party.

I love it how you think that North Carolina is as important as Pennsylvania and especially with the other primaries that are not Pennsylvania and North Carolina, Clinton holds the advantage of winning the remaining contests.

 

[Superman]

I think that if she loses Pennsylvania It's over.

All this crap is killing the Dems. It's time to go after McBush and stop all this infighting.

 

[Matt]

I think that if she loses Pennsylvania It's over.

All this crap is killing the Dems, It's time to go after McBush and stop all this infighting.

If she loses PA, I would agree. As it is, she is up quite a bit in Pennsylvania.

 

[The Senator]

alito got through.

In a Republican-controlled Congress. The Dems control Congress now...

 

[Kelly]

Thanks Huckabee

LMAO.....


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Ya know Excel......one moment I think....yeah the kid is learning something about politics....then you come up with one of these little tidbits......

I still believe you've learned a lot......don't stop....lol

 

[Superman]

In a Republican-controlled Congress. The Dems control Congress now...

I wouldn't exactly describe what the Dems have as "control".

 

[kang604]

speaking as a canadian living part time in the US

i cannot for the life of me understand why you guys would vote john mccain into the white house. it just astounds me.

 

[Matt]

Am I the only one who finds it a tad insulting when someone who is a foreigner enters a discussion on American politics and says "I have no clue how you guys could've been stupid enough to do this or that,"?

I don't know how Canada has been stupid enough to allow itself to become a welfare state. I do not know how Mexico has allowed it's entire economy to go down the ****ter so now their citizens have to sneak into our country and illegally to obtain under the table jobs for ridiculously low wages.

Not fun when someone completely stereotypes the worst aspect of your culture either, is it?

 

[rdh007]

^Agreed, except that I so often agree with them.

 

[Matt]

^Agreed, except that I so often agree with them.

The validity of their point (or lack there of) is not what bothers me. What bothers me is the way they say it as if they are talking to a child who has touched the oven. Who are they to get up on their pedestals and criticize what our country does as if theirs is perfect?

 

[Marx]

The validity of their point (or lack there of) is not what bothers me. What bothers me is the way they say it as if they are talking to a child who has touched the oven. Who are they to get up on their pedestals and criticize what our country does as if theirs is perfect?

I've often wondered that too.

 

[blackcobra]

I see the enthusiasim on this forum is astronomically high for Hillary

 

[Zen]

Ughhh...

how dare they, just how dare they

outside opinions don't matter...

only ours do.

Amerika for Amerikuns, even though we have ceased to be isolationists and our government believes we have a say in every other countries rights, governments, goings on... but outside opinions on our government? thats downright balls right there, the nerve... the anger.

 

[Zen]

speaking as a canadian living part time in the US

i cannot for the life of me understand why you guys would vote john mccain into the white house. it just astounds me.

how about elaboration, othwise ill agree that you suck

 

[Superman]

Ughhh...

how dare they, just how dare they

outside opinions don't matter...

only ours do.

Amerika for Amerikuns, even though we have ceased to be isolationists and our government believes we have a say in every other countries rights, governments, goings on... but outside opinions on our government? thats downright balls right there, the nerve... the anger.

Exactly!

 

[Matt]

Ughhh...

how dare they, just how dare they

outside opinions don't matter...

only ours do.

Amerika for Amerikuns, even though we have ceased to be isolationists and our government believes we have a say in every other countries rights, governments, goings on... but outside opinions on our government? thats downright balls right there, the nerve... the anger.

Exactly!

Again, it has nothing to do with having an opinion. It has to do with people talking down to us like we are children being scolded for playing with matches.

And Zen, when it comes to our elections, only our opinions do matter. Would you prefer we let foreign citizens vote in our elections?

 

[SentinelMind]

The chances that McCain will be able to appoint extreme right-wingers to the Supreme Court are very slim. Do you think the Democratic Party, which will expand upon its majority, will vote to confirm people like that? At worst, McCain will appoint a Sandra Day-O'Connor like figure, someone who is a true moderate who will actually review precedents set in this country before weighing a decision. You won't get a Samuel Alito-like figure confirmed in this Congress, considering he had trouble being confirmed when there was a Republican-controlled Congress.

If a precedent was badly decided, a Supreme Court Justice should have a right to overturn it. Casey vs Planned Parenthood revisited Roe v Wade, and these cases will come back again. Alito was confirmed by 58 to 42 and was unanimously rated as qualified by ABA. McCain could appoint another John Roberts, someone who is strict constructionist, had high ratings by ABA, but not much of a paper trail. These strict constructionist may personally think Roe v Wade is a bad decision, but they are not going to ignore precedent set down by a higher Court and will apply the decision because they like and need consistency (its not about being ideologically conservative, its about being consistent). However, once these guys get on the Supreme Court, anything could happen, they don't have to listen to anyone. Many Justices have behaved differently on the Supreme Court than on the lower courts, so I wouldn't be so dismissive of another strict cosntructionist getting in under say a President McCain.