The Clinton Thread

[Marx]

I admire and respect Bill Clinton.
I also happen to know he is a politician, a politician that happens to be human, flawed.

so, while you might think that the majority of his wealth comes from speaking arrangements, therefore it is "deserved" then, I hope when some shady deals featuring a politician you don't like come forth you will be able to be as pragmatic.

We're all human...and flawed.

 

[Mr Sparkle]

that we agree upon.

 

[redfirebird2008]

that we agree upon.

What's there to agree on? Isn't it an established fact that no one is perfect?

 

[Mr Sparkle]

yes.

hence it's agreeable.

 

[Marx]

What's there to agree on? Isn't it an established fact that no one is perfect?

Not to everyone

 

[Memphis Slim]

Don't hate on Bill for finding thousands of chumps who'd pay to hear him lie ....errr...uh...."speak" to them. t:

 

[SuBe]

I don't know if this has been mentioned. But, the Clintons has stated they earned 109 Million and donated 10 Million to Charity. I heard they donated that 10 Million to the Clinton Family Foundation. Does that seem odd that they are being touted as donating 10 Million, but it isn't odd that they donated it to their own charity?

 

[Zen]

I don't know if this has been mentioned. But, the Clintons has stated they earned 109 Million and donated 10 Million to Charity. I heard they donated that 10 Million to the Clinton Family Foundation. Does that seem odd that they are being touted as donating 10 Million, but it isn't odd that they donated it to their own charity?

their foundation spreads donations across other charities. thats the essential purpose of a foundation. a case can be made that it would seem less suspicious if it was an outside chairty being directly donated to but many people donate to their own foundations which then spread the wealth out amongst multiple smaller charities.

I.E. Bill and melinda gates foundation.


nothing terribly suspicious as i see it.

 

[jaguarr]

Ummm....wow

When I saw that pic of Bill all I could think was "Oh, he DEFINITELY inhaled!" And to look at that smile on Hillary's face, I'm pretty certain she did, too.

jag

 

[SuBe]

their foundation spreads donations across other charities. thats the essential purpose of a foundation. a case can be made that it would seem less suspicious if it was an outside chairty being directly donated to but many people donate to their own foundations which then spread the wealth out amongst multiple smaller charities.

I.E. Bill and melinda gates foundation.


nothing terribly suspicious as i see it.

Ok, thanks. It was just something I heard last night, but they didn't explain anything with it.

 

[Zen]

Ok, thanks. It was just something I heard last night, but they didn't explain anything with it.

i have to admit though im a bit suspicious myself, something comlpletely unwarranted in my gut says they are funneling money through there for some alterier purpose... and the clinton library as well.

but these things are completely unsubstantiated, and lay completely with the growing notion that the clintons are a bit more devlish than i used to assume.

thats partly due to the primary.

its hard to dog them though when things were so good under bill barring his moral escapades.

basically im just saying even after knowing what the foundation is for, your not alone in your suspicions.

im so conflicted lately, Meh...

 

[SuBe]

i have to admit though im a bit suspicious myself, something comlpletely unwarranted in my gut says they are funneling money through there for some alterier purpose... and the clinton library as well.

but these things are completely unsubstantiated, and lay completely with the growing notion that the clintons are a bit more devlish than i used to assume.

thats partly due to the primary.

its hard to dog them though when things were so good under bill barring his moral escapades.

basically im just saying even after knowing what the foundation is for, your not alone in your suspicions.

im so conflicted lately, Meh...

I am always suspicous of the Clintons. But, you know, it is their money, and they can donate it to who ever they want if at all. If they it is found out that they are using their wealth to buy of fellow politicians in Congress through Campain Contributions, then I'll have an issue with it. But, Their money, they spend it how they wish.

But, remember the world wasn't rosey all the time under the Clintons. Our embassies were bombed quite a bit, the USS Cole bombing, the 1st World Trade Center Bombing, Nuclear Secrets being sold to China, High Unemployment Rates, Higher Taxes... There was a lot to Complain about during his Adminstration.

 

[The Senator]

Don't hate on Bill for finding thousands of chumps who'd pay to hear him lie ....errr...uh...."speak" to them. t:

Yeah, why pay to have Clinton lie to you when you can turn on the television and watch Bush do the same practically for free?

 

[Memphis Slim]

Yeah, why pay to have Clinton lie to you when you can turn on the television and watch Bush do the same practically for free?

Exactly......
Just shows Libs ' brains are turned off. Conservatives are smarter.

 

[Mr Sparkle]

of course, one could say that given the economy, the conservatives aren't smart, they are kind of paying a lot to hear him speak right now.
when Clinton spoke as president it was free, and given the economy, he actually kind of paid people to hear him.

weird how logic goes.

 

[Marx]

Yeah, why pay to have Clinton lie to you when you can turn on the television and watch Bush do the same practically for free?

When Clinton lied no one died.

 

[Marx]

I don't know if this has been mentioned. But, the Clintons has stated they earned 109 Million and donated 10 Million to Charity. I heard they donated that 10 Million to the Clinton Family Foundation. Does that seem odd that they are being touted as donating 10 Million, but it isn't odd that they donated it to their own charity?

MANY people donate to their own charities and causes. It's no different for the Clintons to do the same thing.

 

[Doomed_hero]

ya now she fired him but he is pretty much doing his same job without the title. yay more cover ups

 

[Tron5000]

Hillary, yesterday:

"It's time for the president to answer the question being asked of him: In the wake of the failed surge, what is the endgame in Iraq?"

I usually just laugh, but it's getting old. WHAT THE F*** is wrong with these people? You have the distinguished and honorable leader of our forces in Iraq, General David Petraeus, and the likewise distinguished and honorable US Ambassador to Iraq, Ryan Crocker, sitting right in front of these people and detailing for them the immense successes that have been caused and the gains that have been made possible by the surge.

They either a) think the General and Ambassador are not being truthful, and therefore essentially accuse them of being liars, or b) they distort what they know to be the truth in order to gain political favor for doing so.

I'm f***ing sick of this bulls***.

EDIT: She's also saying that the sacrifices of the brave men and women involved in the surge (and indeed in all of Iraq) have been for FAILURE. I can't stand this hideous woman, I really f***ing can't.

 

[The Senator]

Hillary, yesterday:

"It's time for the president to answer the question being asked of him: In the wake of the failed surge, what is the endgame in Iraq?"

I usually just laugh, but it's getting old. WHAT THE F*** is wrong with these people? You have the distinguished and honorable leader of our forces in Iraq, General David Petraeus, and the likewise distinguished and honorable US Ambassador to Iraq, Ryan Crocker, sitting right in front of these people and detailing for them the immense successes that have been caused and the gains that have been made possible by the surge.

They either a) think the General and Ambassador are not being truthful, and therefore essentially accuse them of being liars, or b) they distort what they know to be the truth in order to gain political favor for doing so.

I'm f***ing sick of this bulls***.

EDIT: She's also saying that the sacrifices of the brave men and women involved in the surge (and indeed in all of Iraq) have been for FAILURE. I can't stand this hideous woman, I really f***ing can't.

She's absolutely correct, in my opinion. These soldiers' lives are being taken in vain, for a mission we cannot win at the hands of a failed President. We need to start planning an exit strategy for Iraq before we get caught in the middle of a full-fledged civil war and more of our troops die in vain.

Additionally, General Betra-- er, Patraeus and Ryan Crocker are just like any other free-thinking human being. They can distort the facts. They can lie. They aren't magical truth-telling beings just because they wear military uniforms.

 

[Tron5000]

She's absolutely correct, in my opinion. These soldiers' lives are being taken in vain, for a mission we cannot win at the hands of a failed President. We need to start planning an exit strategy for Iraq before we get caught in the middle of a full-fledged civil war and more of our troops die in vain.

Additionally, General Betra-- er, Patraeus and Ryan Crocker are just like any other free-thinking human being. They can distort the facts. They can lie. They aren't magical truth-telling beings just because they wear military uniforms.

So if we don't trust the men that are most directly involved in Iraq, then who do we trust? You think these guys are just lying through their teeth to Congress 'cause they just love fighting this war and want to keep doing it for kicks?

So then I assume you're a fan of the "cut-and-run" strategy. Sorry, but I have friends who died in Iraq and believed in their mission, and LEAVING NOW is what would make their deaths have been in vein. Winning the battle is the only true way to honor their memories.

And by the way, Ambassador Crocker does not wear a military uniform.

And with that, I'll leave now. I'm much too worked up over this issue to discuss it on these boards.

 

[The Senator]

I suspect the man is an American, and not an African-American.

Hahaha! I know you're banned, but I hadn't seen that until now.

I guess this justifies McCain letting him hold an umbrella over his head, and it also justifies his opposition to MLK day. Which I'm sure you're opposed to as well. But hey, as long as the citizens have their guns...

Now back to our regularly scheduled programming

 

[The Senator]

So if we don't trust the men that are most directly involved in Iraq, then who do we trust? You think these guys are just lying through their teeth to Congress 'cause they just love fighting this war and want to keep doing it for kicks?

Absolutely. Colin Powell lied to the UN about Iraq having weapons of mass destruction. George W. Bush lied to the American people about a direct connection between Iraq and the September 11 attacks. What's to say Patraeus and Crocker aren't lying to Congress about our progress in Iraq?

So then I assume you're a fan of the "cut-and-run" strategy. Sorry, but I have friends who died in Iraq and believed in their mission, and LEAVING NOW is what would make their deaths have been in vein. Winning the battle is the only true way to honor their memories.

We already accomplished our goals in Iraq. We got rid of Saddam Hussein. We installed a new government. Now it's time for us to train Iraqi forces to take back their country so we can get out of there and American soldiers can stop dying in the name of the worst foreign policy disaster in the history of the United States.

And by the way, Ambassador Crocker does not wear a military uniform.

I typed through my post rather fast. He doesn't wear a military uniform.

So let me rephrase that:

"They aren't magical truth-telling beings just because they work in the Bush administration."

 

[Marx]

Hillary, yesterday:

"It's time for the president to answer the question being asked of him: In the wake of the failed surge, what is the endgame in Iraq?"

I usually just laugh, but it's getting old. WHAT THE F*** is wrong with these people? You have the distinguished and honorable leader of our forces in Iraq, General David Petraeus, and the likewise distinguished and honorable US Ambassador to Iraq, Ryan Crocker, sitting right in front of these people and detailing for them the immense successes that have been caused and the gains that have been made possible by the surge.

They either a) think the General and Ambassador are not being truthful, and therefore essentially accuse them of being liars, or b) they distort what they know to be the truth in order to gain political favor for doing so.

I'm f***ing sick of this bulls***.

EDIT: She's also saying that the sacrifices of the brave men and women involved in the surge (and indeed in all of Iraq) have been for FAILURE. I can't stand this hideous woman, I really f***ing can't.

Ok first of all, do you remember what the surge was installed for in the first place? The surge was put in place to quell the violence enough so that diplomacy could resume and the leaders of the Iraqi government could get their act together and come together as a nation. On that basis - which was the rationale for the surge - the surge has failed. You cannot deny that. There has been very little political reconciliation made. Has it brought down the level of violence? Yes. But that was not the sole reason for the surge in the first place. The main objective is a stalemate, and will continue to be.

When some people claim that the surge has been an unrivaled success - it's the same as saying that we went into Iraq to "liberate the Iraqi people." Well, we didn't go into Iraq for that reason, we went in because they "had WMD and we had to stop them" and the surge hasn't been a success because the rationale for it in the first place has not been met.

So if we don't trust the men that are most directly involved in Iraq, then who do we trust? You think these guys are just lying through their teeth to Congress 'cause they just love fighting this war and want to keep doing it for kicks?

So then I assume you're a fan of the "cut-and-run" strategy. Sorry, but I have friends who died in Iraq and believed in their mission, and LEAVING NOW is what would make their deaths have been in vein. Winning the battle is the only true way to honor their memories.

And by the way, Ambassador Crocker does not wear a military uniform.

And with that, I'll leave now. I'm much too worked up over this issue to discuss it on these boards.

Judging from that response Tron, I would say that you are a very staunch Republican. Am I wrong in that assessment? If I am, I do apologize for mischaracterizing you.

The point is, this administration lied to go into war. Colin Powell, whom I can no longer have any respect for, flat out lied to the United Nations to make the case for war. (He has admitted things were not accurate, I'm not just pulling that out of thin air.) And don't you find it the least bit odd that the top generals in Iraq continually have been replaced once they start voicing discontent for this war? I do.

I also personally resent the line of "cut and run." I am so sick of that accusation being thrown towards anyone who suggests a responsible redeployment of our forces. It isn't "cut and run" to redeploy our forces in supportive roles. It isn't "cut and run" to place our forces in the positions that they need to be in. Instead of remaining in positions that they shouldn't be in.

 

[Marx]

I typed through my post rather fast. He doesn't wear a military uniform.

So let me rephrase that:

"They aren't magical truth-telling beings just because they work in the Bush administration."

You have such a way with words Jman, I agree.