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You come across as a feminist sometimes for some reason, lol.

Come on, there is definitely a difference at least in terms of getting into the race and how they got this far.

Hillary is only as far as she is in politics from association to her husband by name Bill Clinton. If it wasn't for that, she would not have attained senator and furthermore would not even be in the race for President.

With Obama, he certainly had a lot bigger mountain to climb. It wasn't that long ago that she was favored by double digits over him. He has come a long way and was not placed in the priveledged position that Hillary carried in. It's amazing we are now talking about Hillary catching up to him, when technically he was out of the race before it began :o
Well, it was "pre-ordained" that she win.:oldrazz: She is where she is because of her name.

Obama had to work to get where he is today and it eats some people up. Why is he so popular? How did he get this far? Why do "those" people think he's inspiring? Why? Why? He's just a
random negative(hopefully not racial) blurb here.
 
Well, it was "pre-ordained" that she win.:oldrazz: She is where she is because of her name.

Obama had to work to get where he is today and it eats some people up. Why is he so popular? How did he get this far? Why do "those" people think he's inspiring? Why? Why? He's just a
random negative(hopefully not racial) blurb here.

Oh, I will give you this. He certainly has to work hard.

Considering this is the first election where he himself hasn't been pre-ordained to win.
 
Actually, his original opponent in the IL Senate race was favored until the sex scandal hit (whoooooooooooo, sex'll kill ya!).
 
Well, if Hillary is a monarch, then Obama is a racist. Hillary's church preaches divine right; and Obama's church preaches hatred towards white folks. Looks like they both have their religious issues.

It's not Hillary's church. It includes Senators, House members, governors, and other politicians all across the country. It's a secret organization, not a church.
 
Really? Well, sex is usually a killer with politics. How Bill (I did not have sex with that woman/I did not inhale, etc.) Clinton wriggled out I'll never know.
 
Here are some racist quotes by Rev. Wright:









And it doesn't matter when Rev. Wright said his racist comments. He said them. And if Hillary is a monarch for attending her church, then Obama is a racist for attending his.

EDIT: The first part of the last quote (about white people causing global warming) was commentary from someone else. The second part is from Wright.

You need to check your definition of racist because those comments aren't racist. They are separatist and full of hatred, but not racist. Racist is believing your race is superior to the other. Wright preaches against WHITE racism that he himself has felt in his life in this country. Hell, it was sponsored by the damn government.

Also, regarding 9/11, I've already corrected you on this and you keep spouting the same *****. In the same sermon, Wright called the 9/11 attacks "an unthinkable act" and the referred to the victims as "unarmed innocents." Later in the same sermon, he spoke with sadness in his voice when talking about how difficult it was to watch fellow Americans jumping to their deaths from the burning buildings. And you apparently didn't even read the stuff about Hillary's organization. It is NOT a church. It is an organization that is spread across the country and even refers to groups of members as "cells." It's made up of Senators, House members, governors, and all kinds of politicians across the entire country. It's quite a bit different from a church. It's also a secret organization that no one knows much about.
 
Wow, how did she make it out alive?!?!?
 
You need to check your definition of racist because those comments aren't racist. They are separatist and full of hatred, but not racist. Racist is believing your race is superior to the other. Wright preaches against WHITE racism that he himself has felt in his life in this country. Hell, it was sponsored by the damn government.

I'm sorry, but if the tables were turned and it was a white preacher who spoke out against racism experienced from the black community against white folks, they'd be considered racist. Especially if he said "Hillary's soul is with white people and God. And that's easy to say because black people aren't with the people or God."

Then again, if that preacher said "Obama ain't ever been called a b****!," people would laugh it off and say, 'poor Hillary!!1! She's teh sexistz!"

Also, regarding 9/11, I've already corrected you on this and you keep spouting the same *****. In the same sermon, Wright called the 9/11 attacks "an unthinkable act" and the referred to the victims as "unarmed innocents." Later in the same sermon, he spoke with sadness in his voice when talking about how difficult it was to watch fellow Americans jumping to their deaths from the burning buildings.

And I've said it repeatedly that it doesn't matter that he called 9/11 an unthinkable act. What matters is that he rode it off as something which the U.S. had coming to it. And that, in my opinion, implies that we as a nation deserved to be attacked by the terrorists.

(Last time, I used Hitler in my defense, but because people blasted me for it, I'll use another analogy)

It's like if someone said "those Jews are a nice people. I was sad to watch the Holocaust unfold," and then they said "The Jews complained too much about being persecuted from Egypt! The Jews took over banking institutions around the world! They had it coming to them!"

It doesn't matter how much sadness he felt. He implied we deserved to be attacked, and that's what the controversy is over. And rightfully so.

And you apparently didn't even read the stuff about Hillary's organization. It is NOT a church. It is an organization that is spread across the country and even refers to groups of members as "cells." It's made up of Senators, House members, governors, and all kinds of politicians across the entire country. It's quite a bit different from a church. It's also a secret organization that no one knows much about.

Then it's a religious organization. Big deal.

I've said that I don't really care which faith Obama follows. The Trinity church isn't a religion, either. It's a sect of the United Church of Christ. Same thing with 'The Family.' It's a sect rooted in the Methodist Church, and has an outreach program for other denominations. She believes she's put here to lead? Big deal. I don't care all that much, really.

What I do care about is whether the pastor preaches hatred towards a certain group of people. Does her church do that? Because from my own independent research on 'The Family,' there's no hate being spewed in those sermons.
 
For weeks, the Barack Obama campaign has warned that Hillary Clinton would try to use her ties to the Democratic establishment to muscle 'super delegates' into backing her presidential bid, overriding a popular vote majority and Obama's plurality of pledged delegates elected in primaries and caucuses.

Now, however, as Obama has gained steadily in the polls, the Clinton campaign has reversed field. Top Clinton aides are pleading with uncommitted super delegates to hold off making any commitments, fearful that any commitments they make would be to back Obama, not Clinton.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/02/27/clinton-camp-presses-supe_n_88640.html



sure, that's fair........................
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Then she runs for the Senate in New York, where she's referred to as a carpetbagger... nevermind the fact that New York's Democratic Party sought her out and asked her to run. She's still referred to as a carpetbagger there... despite the fact that she's accomplished a lot for the state.

Could I see a list of those accomplishments? Because I live here IN New York, and I have yet to see anything here get better during her tenure. I dunno, maybe something in NYC has been accomplished.
 
Well of course they are putting pressure on now. They actually do want the Superdelegates to take sides--but not before they've drudged up enough dirt to destroy Obama. After they feel they've halted his momentum with some silly, tabloidish scandal (that essentially will have nothing to do with his presidential bid) they'll turn to the superdelegates and say, "See, he's not electable afterall. Come, we'll lead you to the Promised Land...Hillaryland."

:rolleyes:
 
I believe that all people, regardless of race, gender, sexual orientation or religious affiliation, should be treated fairly and equally. There is no reason, under any circumstances, for people to refer to Hillary Clinton as a ***** or a **** or a **** simply because they disagree with her.

I couldn't agree with you more.
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Are any of them a part of her campaign now?

why is that important?
:huh: I thought this was about association with someone of rather unsavory ideals and religious stances, how these permeated an individual and corrupted the soul.
also, about judgment.
the fact that at one point for extended periods of time she associated with these fellows ( fellowship, was there a dwarf involved?:huh: if so ...kinky!) shows " poor judgment " does it not? and surely casts doubt upon her character, does it not?
I mean....it should you know?
 
Why does everyone act like its such a horrible thing that Clinton plays the game but when Obama does it is "Hillary forcing him to her level?" I mean, goddamn, this is what politics is about. Especially the super delegates. It is their job to ensure that the electorate does not pick a candidate who is unelectable, and believe it or not, scandals do effect that. How exactly is she doing anything wrong by saying "Wait until the rest of the states are done,"?

Certain posters act as if Obama should just be crowned not only the nominee, but the president as well. Someone opposing the great prodigal candidate is not unethical, against the rules, "strong arming" or anything else.
 
Of course, if you guys have so many problems with Clinton actually playing the game and courting and making her case to super delegates as is part of the primary process, perhaps you would be more comfortable if the Democrats got rid of this ridiculous delegate sharing and super delegate system all together and simply made it winner takes all. In which case Clinton would have nearly 500 more delegates than Obama and once she wins PA it would be statistically impossible for Obama to catch up.

But then I'm sure you'd be *****ing that Clinton is winning without the popular vote. :whatever:
 
Of course, if you guys have so many problems with Clinton actually playing the game and courting and making her case to super delegates as is part of the primary process, perhaps you would be more comfortable if the Democrats got rid of this ridiculous delegate sharing and super delegate system all together and simply made it winner takes all. In which case Clinton would have nearly 500 more delegates than Obama and once she wins PA it would be statistically impossible for Obama to catch up.

But then I'm sure you'd be *****ing that Clinton is winning without the popular vote. :whatever:
Because Clinton's game is too simular to what the Reps have been doing (and she has complained about) for years. She'll do anything to win.
 
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