The Clinton Thread

[comicgirl]

So, it's ok for her to feel "strongly" against the E. College......unless her a$$ is hanging by a thread. OK...

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Flash!......Clinton camp says Hillary can out dance Obama! Shows electability.

 

[Matt]

So, it's ok for her to feel "strongly" against the E. College......unless her a$$ is hanging by a thread. OK...

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Where did I say that? I was commenting on the issue in general. Clinton is as big of a tool as Obama. Of course, this is really no different than him saying he wants to represent the people but refusing to allow the voices of Michigan to be heard. They are both total jack asses and that is why I will not vote for either.

 

[comicgirl]

Where did I say that? I was commenting on the issue in general. Clinton is as big of a tool as Obama. Of course, this is really no different than him saying he wants to represent the people but refusing to allow the voices of Michigan to be heard. They are both total jack asses and that is why I will not vote for either.

That wasn't directed at you; just my own personal ha-ha moment at all this crap. Minimal perspiration, dude.

 

[Shifty]

I just liked how Lewis Black was on Larry King slagging the 1996 story and the legitimacy of blogging and then Anderson Cooper has to go on for an hour presenting this as a serious story and then blog during the breaks.

 

[The Senator]

So, it's ok for her to feel "strongly" against the E. College......unless her a$$ is hanging by a thread. OK...

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Flash!......Clinton camp says Hillary can out dance Obama! Shows electability.

Obama loses the electoral college, too.... so any idea that Obama is leading is completely false....

 

[Matt]

Neither of them will or could do anything about the electoral college. It is just something they say now to get Democrats who were pissed about 2000 to rally behind them.

 

[redfirebird2008]

JMan, here's the raw numbers for you including Michigan and Florida, one of which provides an extra 328,000 votes for Hillary.

Clinton: 13,833,671; 47.2%

Obama: 13,921,532; 47.5%

Even with an extra 328,000 votes padding her total, she's still losing.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/president/democratic_vote_count.html

Now for the pledged delegate and total delegate counts even with Michigan and Florida included.

Clinton pledged delegates: 1425 (73 from Michigan, 105 from Florida)
Obama pledged delegates: 1481 (0 from Michigan, 67 from Florida)

Clinton total delegates: 1675 (250 superdelegates)
Obama total delegates: 1695 (214 superdelegates)

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/president/democratic_delegate_count.html

So with an extra 73 delegates tacked on to her count, she still trails by 20 delegates.

Keep spinning though. It's pretty amusing.

 

[The Senator]

JMan, here's the raw numbers for you including Michigan and Florida, one of which provides an extra 328,000 votes for Hillary.

Clinton: 13,833,671; 47.2%

Obama: 13,921,532; 47.5%

Even with an extra 328,000 votes padding her total, she's still losing.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/president/democratic_vote_count.html

Keep spinning though. It's pretty amusing.

First, I'm not spinning anything.

Second, this isn't a thread about Michigan and Florida. And had you paid attention in those threads, you would have seen where I said that I don't care who wins Michigan and Florida or the primary in general. I care that we hold a re-vote so that the Democratic Party does not risk disenfranchising millions of voters.

Thirdly, that poll doesn't reflect crucial swing states which Obama loses, such as Ohio, Pennsylvania, and Missouri. You can't win the Presidency without at least two of those states.

So I don't know where you're accusing me of 'spinning'

 

[redfirebird2008]

You said "any idea that Obama is leading is completely false." That is spin.

 

[redfirebird2008]

Also, Obama won Missouri. And losing a primary doesn't necessarily mean you can't beat the other party in a particular state.

 

[The Senator]

You said "any idea that Obama is leading is completely false." That is spin.

ANY IDEA THAT OBAMA IS LEADING IN THE GENERAL ELECTION IS FALSE.

It's not spin; it's truth. He can't win in November if he doesn't win PA, MO or OH. He's also statistically tied in NJ and only one point ahead in WI. He has an uphill battle to climb.

 

[The Senator]

Also, Obama won Missouri. And losing a primary doesn't necessarily mean you can't beat the other party in a particular state.

Um... I'm not looking at primary results... I'm looking at opinion polling for individual states as to who voters plan to vote for in November...

 

[redfirebird2008]

And Hillary faces just as much of an uphill battle against McCain, so what's your point?

 

[The Senator]

And Hillary faces just as much of an uphill battle against McCain, so what's your point?

Actually Hillary fares better.

According to interior polling by Cook Political Report, Clinton would win Ohio, West Virginia and Arkansas against McCain, while she'd be statistically tied with McCain in Pennsylvania, Tennessee, Missouri, Kentucky and Virginia.

Meanwhile, Obama loses Ohio, Pennsylvania and Missouri.

While they would both lose... it can be concluded that Hillary fares better against McCain. If she turned any of the states she tied with McCain in her favor, she'd win.

I'm just pointing out that the electoral college works for everyone's disadvantage.

 

[redfirebird2008]

She fares better RIGHT NOW. And what just went on with Obama? Pretty big controversy. It might stay with him or it might go away, but right now is not the time to completely judge how he'd do in November.

 

[The Senator]

She fares better RIGHT NOW. And what just went on with Obama? Pretty big controversy. It might stay with him or it might go away, but right now is not the time to completely judge how he'd do in November.

It is if you're selecting your party's nominee...

 

[redfirebird2008]

It is if you're selecting your party's nominee...

By right now I mean literally a few days after the controversy hit its peak. There's still a damn month till Pennsylvania and a month and a half until Indiana and North Carolina. She has demographic advantages in states like Ohio and Pennsylvania so she would naturally do better there to begin with but before the controversy he was beating McCain in Ohio. It'll be interesting to see if he can recover from it. Perhaps he can, perhaps he can't.

 

[Marx]

There are arguments FOR and AGAINST the Electoral College. There always have been. With all due respect to Clinton, this debate began long before she ever entered the picture. So let's all not act like she's the first one to suggest abolishing it.

 

[Excel]

Poor Hillary, things just never seem to go her way

 

[redfirebird2008]

There are arguments FOR and AGAINST the Electoral College. There always have been. With all due respect to Clinton, this debate began long before she ever entered the picture. So let's all not act like she's the first one to suggest abolishing it.

I agree.

 

[Lightning Strykez!]

She's a liar. Plain and simple. This has already been debunked.

 

[The Senator]

Several states have already approved measures which would cast their electoral votes in favor of the national popular vote winner. Once enough states sign on (to equal 270 or more electoral votes), these provisions would go into effect, thereby making the electoral college irrelevant.

 

[gap5ewl]

Umm.. so is she the biggest hypocrite in American politics? seriously everyday she says something that overrides her previous stance.

 

[hippie_hunter]

ANY IDEA THAT OBAMA IS LEADING IN THE GENERAL ELECTION IS FALSE.

It's not spin; it's truth. He can't win in November if he doesn't win PA, MO or OH. He's also statistically tied in NJ and only one point ahead in WI. He has an uphill battle to climb.

Come to think about it, the vast majority of states that Obama won in the primaries and caucuses are going to end up voting McCain also (the Southern and Midwestern states).

Not only that but it looks like Michigan might end up voting Republican as well thanks to the DNC and Obama ****ing them over. While Iowa and New Mexico would probably end up defecting to the Democrats, they won't make up for the loss of Michigan and maybe even Pennsylvania.

It's really looking like McCain will end up winning this thing at the moment.

 

[hippie_hunter]

Several states have already approved measures which would cast their electoral votes in favor of the national popular vote winner. Once enough states sign on (to equal 270 or more electoral votes), these provisions would go into effect, thereby making the electoral college irrelevant.

As much as I hate the Electorial College. I personally feel that an interstate compact does not have the right to do something like that.

An amendment to the Constitution is what needs to be done to get rid of it.