The Communism Thread

The level of ignorance in this thread is appalling.
As a communist I feel you shouldn't be allowed to believe, type, or say that! I feel you shouldn't be allowed to vote now bow down to your supreme leader! :o Off to the death panel for you.

sarcasm aside, can you at least admit that the level of ignorance inside Raegen's head when it came to communism was pretty high? He made predictions about socialized medicine, simmiliar to what your making and it didn't come true even remotely. He was wrong. We got socialized medicine a long time ago, and it didn't lead to what he predicted. In fact it led to saving many lives and helping many people.
 
I see it as a mixed market economy...you see it however you want.....that's cool.
Oh it is a mixed market economy, and that's how I want it for the time being. We have a mixture of free markets and communism. It is my opinion that it should stay that way for a while.
 
The level of ignorance in this thread is appalling.

Yeah, your first post in here was a grand example of cut and paste intelligence....informative though....


People are giving their opinions here, if you see people as ignorant that do not agree with your opinion, this may not be the place for you....
 
Communism is something that sounds pretty on paper but just doesn't work in reality.
 
NASA works.
NASA really can't be considered a Communist idea.

Public schools work.
No they don't. Our schools need some massive reform.

Social Security works.
No it's failing because nobody has the balls to reform it past it's original intentions. Social Security was designed to help those with disabilities. Most people back in the 1930's died before they were 65 and those that lived past that age died within a couple of years anyway. Now thanks to the wonders of modern medicine, we have millions of people living up to 80 and above. And Social Security can't handle that. :awesome:

Medicare works.
Hence why it's expected to be insolvent by 2017.

Garbage pick up works.
Everywhere I have lived, garbage pick up is privatized.

public roads work.
To an extent but in certain areas like Virginia, work is needed to fix traffic congestion and in New York/New Jersey toll booths are way too high.

Public transportation works.
The only real success of public transportation is the subway systems of major metropolitan areas like New York City. Other than that, no one uses public transportation.

The public option in health care would work.
I used to have government insurance and let me tell you. It didn't work because major hospitals refused to accept it because the government didn't pay on time like private insurance companies do. And if they can't get Social Security and Medicare right, what makes you think that they can get a public option right?

Universal health care does work in other countries.
Universal health care works in countries with less than 100 million people and have a populace that is more willing to be taxed than Americans are. What works in some countries doesn't mean it would work here. The United States has too many people for a universal health care system to work effectively and culturally Americans loathe taxes (hell we were founded simply because we didn't want to pay our taxes :awesome: )

Publicly owned colleges work.
And yet the better colleges are the private ones.

The bail out worked.
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hmmm, My economics professor disagrees. He believes it all comes down to whether it's good regulation or bad regulation.
Exactly. There is some regulation that is not only good but needed and there is also some that is just flat out bad.
 
Communism is something that sounds pretty on paper but just doesn't work in reality.
welcome to the thread.
numerous examples of communism working have already been provided.

I trule wish the terms didn't even exist though because people use them to fall back on too much. That isn't happening here but often times people throw out the word communism as if the word is the end of the debate and it's automatically a bad thing just because it's communism.

Ism's don't matter. Details, plans, and results matter.
 
welcome to the thread.
numerous examples of communism working have already been provided.

I trule wish the terms didn't even exist though because people use them to fall back on too much. That isn't happening here but often times people throw out the word communism as if the word is the end of the debate and it's automatically a bad thing just because it's communism.

Ism's don't matter. Details, plans, and results matter.
Communism failed not because of it's ideology. It failed because of the results and the people put in charge. In the end, Communism ends up getting plagued by corruption and piss poor results. It's why the Soviet Union failed. It's why China decided to ditch Communism and go for their own form of "capitalism."
 
I gotta go, I'll be back. but as for your previous post I would like to read up a little on Socialism because based on what you said about NASA it's clear you don't know what communism is.

NASA is a publicly owned and run government agency. That is what communism is. NASA provides a service to all of us and we all own it.

oh and private colleges don't work better becuase too many of us can't afford it. They fail to educate many people as a result. Public colleges do work and do provide an education to those who can't afford better ones.

public education is not the problem, and privatizing it would be a disaster. our schools definitely need a lot of reform and it's going to take the government to do it. a lot of people point to the fact that other coutnry's students in public schools are doing better than ours. but aren't those schools also publicly owned in those countries?
 
I gotta go, I'll be back. but as for your previous post I would like to read up a little on Socialism because based on what you said about NASA it's clear you don't know what communism is.

NASA is a publicly owned and run government agency. That is what communism is. NASA provides a service to all of us and we all own it.
NASA isn't a service. It's an agency to provide exploration of the universe. Throughout history, even before Communism was even thought of, governments have funded exploration expeditions. NASA is an extension of that thought.

And we don't own NASA either. Unlike in Communist countries where public property is the property of the "people," in the United States they just flat out say that it's property of the government, it's sorta like it's own entity like corporations.

oh and private colleges don't work better becuase too many of us can't afford it. They fail to educate many people as a result. Public colleges do work and do provide an education to those who can't afford better ones.
A double edged sword really. Private colleges offer better education but cost too much and public colleges are more cost effective but aren't as good as a result.

public education is not the problem, and privatizing it would be a disaster. our schools definitely need a lot of reform and it's going to take the government to do it. a lot of people point to the fact that other coutnry's students in public schools are doing better than ours. but aren't those schools also publicly owned in those countries?
I completely agree. I'm not saying that all schools should be privatized. Hell, I actually believe that there should be more government concerning our schools. We just need better people in charge. But to say that they work, that I find inaccurate.

I should clarify that I don't see government regulation as automatically evil and hindering. I just think that there needs to be moderation. Some things do need regulation and more government. But other things, don't exactly need it and all regulation does is hinder it.
 
I gotta go, I'll be back. but as for your previous post I would like to read up a little on Socialism because based on what you said about NASA it's clear you don't know what communism is.

NASA is a publicly owned and run government agency. That is what communism is. NASA provides a service to all of us and we all own it.

oh and private colleges don't work better becuase too many of us can't afford it. They fail to educate many people as a result. Public colleges do work and do provide an education to those who can't afford better ones.

public education is not the problem, and privatizing it would be a disaster. our schools definitely need a lot of reform and it's going to take the government to do it. a lot of people point to the fact that other coutnry's students in public schools are doing better than ours. but aren't those schools also publicly owned in those countries?

I don't like NASA that much at this point, they have coasting on that Moon Landing for far too long.

NASA launched missiles to see if they could water there. If that's what they are doing with their budget, maybe they have too much time and money on their hands. It seems like that would a good place to cut some government waste and focus resources on problems on Earth.
 
I believe that it should get more funding to tell you the truth. I'm a very enthusiastic supporter of NASA.
 
NASA really can't be considered a Communist idea.
a publicly owned and run service. that is socialism in it's purest form.

No they don't. Our schools need some massive reform.
That doesn't mean they don't work. They have a lot of room for improvement, and what about publicly run schools in other countries?


No it's failing because nobody has the balls to reform it past it's original intentions. Social Security was designed to help those with disabilities. Most people back in the 1930's died before they were 65 and those that lived past that age died within a couple of years anyway. Now thanks to the wonders of modern medicine, we have millions of people living up to 80 and above. And Social Security can't handle that. :awesome:

I admit it needs to be reformed as well and I admit the lack of reform is the result of a lack of balls.

But imagine if we had bush's plan for privitization in place for even half of our country's senior citizens. when the recession hit and the stock market went down, all those people would have had nothing to live off.

Hence why it's expected to be insolvent by 2017.
That's the result of capitalism. Capitalists charging an arm and a leg to fix a toe, making bigger and bigger profits at the expense of everybody else. We need regulations to stop people from price gouging.
Everywhere I have lived, garbage pick up is privatized.
does your garbage man ask for your credit card?

To an extent but in certain areas like Virginia, work is needed to fix traffic congestion and in New York/New Jersey toll booths are way too high.
Are you suggesting that the government stop providing us with roads to drive on?
The only real success of public transportation is the subway systems of major metropolitan areas like New York City. Other than that, no one uses public transportation.
I do on ocasion and the bus is often full. I used to use it all the time for years. I never would have been able to get to work and provide for myself if not for public transportation. It works signifigantly better than those privately owned taxi cab companies. 1 dollar verses 10 dollars.
I used to have government insurance and let me tell you. It didn't work because major hospitals refused to accept it because the government didn't pay on time like private insurance companies do.
Time for some government regulation to make that practice illegal.
And if they can't get Social Security and Medicare right, what makes you think that they can get a public option right?
They can get it right. They just can't get it perfect. And really I'm not so anti-medicare. It keeps several members of my family alive. I'm pretty grateful for medicare.

First conservatives like Raegen claimed medicare was going to destroy freedom and enslave us all, then when that didn't happen and decades later most Americans who have it really like it, they tried to say "if you get the public option, they are going to pay for it by taking away your medicare" well which one is it? Before they told us it would lead to a dictatorship and now they are trying to protect it?


Universal health care works in countries with less than 100 million people
you said communism never worked before. Now you are admitting that in some instances it has worked :woot:

and have a populace that is more willing to be taxed than Americans are.
that's the big problem with all the programs you mentioned. the programs aren't being run incorrectly. were just running up deficits by not paying our fair share of taxes. we all know who doesn't want you paying your taxes, now don't we?

What works in some countries doesn't mean it would work here. The United States has too many people for a universal health care system to work effectively and culturally Americans loathe taxes (hell we were founded simply because we didn't want to pay our taxes :awesome: )
economists disagree.

And yet the better colleges are the private ones.
who can't educate the masses because they can only afford to educate people who can pay for it. public colleges provide an education where private colleges fail to.

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Exactly. There is some regulation that is not only good but needed and there is also some that is just flat out bad.

gotta watch those later, needed in the kitchen. nice talking with ya. I appreciate your not accusing me of wanting to be a cruel dictator who murders everybody, like some here were.

edit.... watched the videos. I assumed they were longer or informative which is why I thought I had to watch them later. The bail out did temporarily prevent an immediate depression.
 
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I believe that it should get more funding to tell you the truth. I'm a very enthusiastic supporter of NASA.

Well they gotta do something that shows they are pulling weight and are worth their budget, because the general public is starting to think they are waste of money.

Shooting missiles at the Moon is just stupid, it makes them look like they have way too much time and money on thier hands.
 
with social security, say we didn't let those people retire. wouldn't that just mean less jobs to around, thus more people standing in line getting unemployment checks or not having money to spend keeping capitalists in business anyways?
 
Well they gotta do something that shows they are pulling weight and are worth their budget, because the general public is starting to think they are waste of money.

Shooting missiles at the Moon is just stupid, it makes them look like they have way too much time and money on thier hands.
It's been a few years since I've seen a poll on this, but when I did only 10% of Americans considered NASA a waste of money.

NASA has already proven they are worth their budget. Because of the spin off technologies weve gotten more money back in economic gain than we have spent on NASA.

shooting missiles at the moon is to make sure there is enough water beneath the surface there for the moon base. Just let the scientists worry about that stuff.
 
This is the best anti-communist argument I can think of that nobody has ever shared with me.

Imagine if we had a completely communist economy when Bush was President. We'd all be screwed and there will surely be another like him some day. I do understand this, and this is why I support a very gradual move towards socialism. First make the economy efficent, reform our education, and advance our technology to perform our nation's labour. Get automated self sustaining systems in place and eliminate the need for a lot of the work we do so when we do have a communist system in place there isn't so much for the government to keep track of. Like imagine if our roads lasted a hundred years instead of a few years. We would need a much lower number of construction workers. Because of spin off technology from the moon base, within a few decades homes in America will be built by robots.


Imagine if we all had replicators being built by other replicators. You eliminate the need for shopko, walmart, ect. Imagine if every roof top had solar panels that last a hundred years that are self repairing and everything. No need for gas stations.

And remember it doesn't take a communist economy for somebody like Bush to **** it up. He did that just fine with our capitalist society.
 
NASA isn't a service. It's an agency to provide exploration of the universe. Throughout history, even before Communism was even thought of, governments have funded exploration expeditions. NASA is an extension of that thought.
Advancing science and providing us with insight and knowledge is a service. It also provides America with spin off technology another valuable service. It also helps us study the weather. Another service. It is an extention of exporation, but it's still a service. It provides scientists and the public with data.

And we don't own NASA either. Unlike in Communist countries where public property is the property of the "people," in the United States they just flat out say that it's property of the government, it's sorta like it's own entity like corporations.
who owns the government? the government and all that it ecompasses is owned by the people. We do own it. And who is "they"? I'm an American and I say public property is the property of the public. That's why it's called public property. Even the government is public property. We own it. We control it, and we can even relieve people of their jobs. They are just different phrases with the same meaning really. When communists say publicly owned companies, what they really mean is owned by the government.

I completely agree. I'm not saying that all schools should be privatized. Hell, I actually believe that there should be more government concerning our schools. We just need better people in charge. But to say that they work, that I find inaccurate.
I guess I agree. Personally I believe that our schools need somewhat of a military atmosphere. In the military people do what they are told. In school? Kids tell teachers to go to hell.

I might be wrong on that solution though. I admit I need to find out more about the cause of other countries doing better than us. But at the moment all I can think of is that students don't care enough to try to learn. Sometimes it's a lack of funding, but sometimes even well funded schools don't do well.

I believe that it should get more funding to tell you the truth. I'm a very enthusiastic supporter of NASA.
me too. I also think we should increase funding. Bush left the moon/mars mission underfunded. As a result NASA is either going to have to postpone going back to the moon untill 2025 or they are going to need an extra 3 billion a year to reach the moon in 2020. I say give em the 3 billion. Were concerned about not pumping enough money into the economy to jumpstart it now, then we might as well spend the money now instead of later when were going to hopefully be busy lowering spending.
 
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a publicly owned and run service. that is socialism in it's purest form.
But NASA isn't a service. It's a government agency just like the FBI, CIA, the military, etc.

That doesn't mean they don't work. They have a lot of room for improvement, and what about publicly run schools in other countries?
Right now they need reform, but right now they don't work. And like I said earlier, this is something where more government is a bad thing.

I admit it needs to be reformed as well and I admit the lack of reform is the result of a lack of balls.

But imagine if we had bush's plan for privitization in place for even half of our country's senior citizens. when the recession hit and the stock market went down, all those people would have had nothing to live off.
But Bush's reform wasn't full on privatization. It gave people the option to have a private account (designed for younger people) or continue with our current form of Social Security (designed for older people).

That's the result of capitalism. Capitalists charging an arm and a leg to fix a toe, making bigger and bigger profits at the expense of everybody else. We need regulations to stop people from price gouging.
The failure of Medicare is not the result of capitalism. The failure of Medicare is the result of the plain and simple fact that the government just doesn't have the money to properly fund the program and because Americans are culturally very anti-taxation, they won't raise the taxes necessary to give it the necessary funding.

does your garbage man ask for your credit card?
We don't use them. :awesome:

Are you suggesting that the government stop providing us with roads to drive on?
Not at all, but the government needs to better organize it in some areas and bring down the tolls in New York/New Jersey.

I do on ocasion and the bus is often full. I used to use it all the time for years. I never would have been able to get to work and provide for myself if not for public transportation. It works signifigantly better than those privately owned taxi cab companies. 1 dollar verses 10 dollars.
Where do you live?

Time for some government regulation to make that practice illegal.
You can't just do that. If our government learned how to pay on time then there wouldn't be a problem. But think about it, if you owned a business who do you want as a customer, one that pays on time or ones that not only pays late and is a constant pain in the ass?

They can get it right. They just can't get it perfect. And really I'm not so anti-medicare. It keeps several members of my family alive. I'm pretty grateful for medicare.
But based on how the government runs its current insurance programs, right now they can't get it right.

First conservatives like Raegen claimed medicare was going to destroy freedom and enslave us all, then when that didn't happen and decades later most Americans who have it really like it, they tried to say "if you get the public option, they are going to pay for it by taking away your medicare" well which one is it? Before they told us it would lead to a dictatorship and now they are trying to protect it?
It isn't going to lead us to a dictatorship, but I don't want a health care system that is horribly inefficient.

you said communism never worked before. Now you are admitting that in some instances it has worked :woot:
Just because some nations have universal health care systems, doesn't make them Communist. France isn't Communist but they have a universal health care system that works. Scandinavia isn't communist but they too have universal health care systems that work. But various other factors are the reason why they work, they have populations that are much smaller (less than 100 million) and pay much more in taxes (and are more willing to pay more as well). But take a look at the nations with universal health care systems in countries that have over 100 million people like Canada and China and overall they just don't work. Just because something works in one place doesn't mean it would work somewhere else with the same results. The United States is a very different place culturally, economically, etc. than France, Scandinavia, etc.

that's the big problem with all the programs you mentioned. the programs aren't being run incorrectly. were just running up deficits by not paying our fair share of taxes. we all know who doesn't want you paying your taxes, now don't we?
Like I said, we didn't break away from Great Britain because they were tyrants, we broke away because we didn't want to pay our taxes. America just hates taxes plain and simple and we get rid of leaders who raise them. George H.W. Bush, raised taxes. Jimmy Carter, raised taxes. Jon Corzine, raised taxes. James Patterson, raised taxes. All of them did not get a second term, or will not in the case of Patterson.

economists disagree.
Economists' opinions vary based on political ideology. You have conservative ones who go off acting like regulation will destroy everything and you have liberal ones that praise it.

who can't educate the masses because they can only afford to educate people who can pay for it. public colleges provide an education where private colleges fail to.
But still doesn't change that public/private college is a dual edge sword with pros and cons on both sides.

gotta watch those later, needed in the kitchen. nice talking with ya. I appreciate your not accusing me of wanting to be a cruel dictator who murders everybody, like some here were.

edit.... watched the videos. I assumed they were longer or informative which is why I thought I had to watch them later. The bail out did temporarily prevent an immediate depression.
The problem with the bail outs were that they just threw money out to see what stuck and got too few results as a result. The bail out should have focused more on jobs, stimulating demand, and regulate the financial industry more.

But no, I will not say that you want a cruel dictator who murders everybody. Just because someone believes in Communism, doesn't make them evil. It's just a political ideology. One that I personally disagree with, just like how you disagree with mine. But as an American, you're entitled to believe in whatever you want and it is my duty as a patriotic American to respect it.
 
Advancing science and providing us with insight and knowledge is a service. It also provides America with spin off technology another valuable service. It also helps us study the weather. Another service. It is an extention of exporation, but it's still a service. It provides scientists and the public with data.
But it's primary purpose is for exploration something that's been going on for thousands of years.

who owns the government? the government and all that it ecompasses is owned by the people. We do own it. And who is "they"? I'm an American and I say public property is the property of the public. That's why it's called public property. Even the government is public property. We own it. We control it, and we can even relieve people of their jobs. They are just different phrases with the same meaning really. When communists say publicly owned companies, what they really mean is owned by the government.
The government is it's own bizarre legal entity.

I guess I agree. Personally I believe that our schools need somewhat of a military atmosphere. In the military people do what they are told. In school? Kids tell teachers to go to hell.
While attitude needs to improve, you don't need to get militaristic. But our schools curriculum, our teachers, etc. need to improve as well.

I might be wrong on that solution though. I admit I need to find out more about the cause of other countries doing better than us. But at the moment all I can think of is that students don't care enough to try to learn. Sometimes it's a lack of funding, but sometimes even well funded schools don't do well.
But more than funding is needed IMO.

me too. I also think we should increase funding. Bush left the moon/mars mission underfunded. As a result NASA is either going to have to postpone going back to the moon untill 2025 or they are going to need an extra 3 billion a year to reach the moon in 2020. I say give em the 3 billion. Were concerned about not pumping enough money into the economy to jumpstart it now, then we might as well spend the money now instead of later when were going to hopefully be busy lowering spending.
I wouldn't blame Bush on that one. To tell you the truth, he's one of the best things to have happened for NASA in a while. But Congress really didn't want to give it the necessary funding.
 
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In the military people do what they are told. In school? Kids tell teachers to go to hell.
Oh. nooooooooooooooooooooooooooo... not in my classroom. And, not in my school...

Improvements to the school, begins with the teachers hired...teachers being hired today do not have a "heart" for teaching...they want a job that is fairly stable, a paycheck because they cannot find a job in their area of degree, and the public school system is giving them the quickest way to get their certification, it is called ACP, Accelerated Certification Program, and people who have ANY kind of a degree can pay $5,000, they are helped to find a job, and they get their education classes on the weekends. They are put into a classroom with absolutely no training with kids whatsoever. You want to make changes in the education system, start there...
 
Oh. nooooooooooooooooooooooooooo... not in my classroom. And, not in my school...

Improvements to the school, begins with the teachers hired...teachers being hired today do not have a "heart" for teaching...they want a job that is fairly stable, a paycheck because they cannot find a job in their area of degree, and the public school system is giving them the quickest way to get their certification, it is called ACP, Accelerated Certification Program, and people who have ANY kind of a degree can pay $5,000, they are helped to find a job, and they get their education classes on the weekends. They are put into a classroom with absolutely no training with kids whatsoever. You want to make changes in the education system, start there...
From my personal observation, you can't really teach someone how to teach. They can't be trained completely - tabula rasa. Just like how some people are just naturally leaders. It is an organic set of circumstances and variables that allow for this outcome. I don't know how to articulate it best, other than, an aura of authority or presence.
 
Why Socialism?
by Albert Einstein
This essay was originally published in the first issue of Monthly Review (May 1949).

Is it advisable for one who is not an expert on economic and social issues to express views on the subject of socialism? I believe for a number of reasons that it is.
Let us first consider the question from the point of view of scientific knowledge. It might appear that there are no essential methodological differences between astronomy and economics: scientists in both fields attempt to discover laws of general acceptability for a circumscribed group of phenomena in order to make the interconnection of these phenomena as clearly understandable as possible. But in reality such methodological differences do exist. The discovery of general laws in the field of economics is made difficult by the circumstance that observed economic phenomena are often affected by many factors which are very hard to evaluate separately. In addition, the experience which has accumulated since the beginning of the so-called civilized period of human history has—as is well known—been largely influenced and limited by causes which are by no means exclusively economic in nature. For example, most of the major states of history owed their existence to conquest. The conquering peoples established themselves, legally and economically, as the privileged class of the conquered country. They seized for themselves a monopoly of the land ownership and appointed a priesthood from among their own ranks. The priests, in control of education, made the class division of society into a permanent institution and created a system of values by which the people were thenceforth, to a large extent unconsciously, guided in their social behavior.
But historic tradition is, so to speak, of yesterday; nowhere have we really overcome what Thorstein Veblen called "the predatory phase" of human development. The observable economic facts belong to that phase and even such laws as we can derive from them are not applicable to other phases. Since the real purpose of socialism is precisely to overcome and advance beyond the predatory phase of human development, economic science in its present state can throw little light on the socialist society of the future.
Second, socialism is directed towards a social-ethical end. Science, however, cannot create ends and, even less, instill them in human beings; science, at most, can supply the means by which to attain certain ends. But the ends themselves are conceived by personalities with lofty ethical ideals and—if these ends are not stillborn, but vital and vigorous—are adopted and carried forward by those many human beings who, half unconsciously, determine the slow evolution of society.
For these reasons, we should be on our guard not to overestimate science and scientific methods when it is a question of human problems; and we should not assume that experts are the only ones who have a right to express themselves on questions affecting the organization of society.
Innumerable voices have been asserting for some time now that human society is passing through a crisis, that its stability has been gravely shattered. It is characteristic of such a situation that individuals feel indifferent or even hostile toward the group, small or large, to which they belong. In order to illustrate my meaning, let me record here a personal experience. I recently discussed with an intelligent and well-disposed man the threat of another war, which in my opinion would seriously endanger the existence of mankind, and I remarked that only a supra-national organization would offer protection from that danger. Thereupon my visitor, very calmly and coolly, said to me: "Why are you so deeply opposed to the disappearance of the human race?"
I am sure that as little as a century ago no one would have so lightly made a statement of this kind. It is the statement of a man who has striven in vain to attain an equilibrium within himself and has more or less lost hope of succeeding. It is the expression of a painful solitude and isolation from which so many people are suffering in these days. What is the cause? Is there a way out?
It is easy to raise such questions, but difficult to answer them with any degree of assurance. I must try, however, as best I can, although I am very conscious of the fact that our feelings and strivings are often contradictory and obscure and that they cannot be expressed in easy and simple formulas.
Man is, at one and the same time, a solitary being and a social being. As a solitary being, he attempts to protect his own existence and that of those who are closest to him, to satisfy his personal desires, and to develop his innate abilities. As a social being, he seeks to gain the recognition and affection of his fellow human beings, to share in their pleasures, to comfort them in their sorrows, and to improve their conditions of life. Only the existence of these varied, frequently conflicting, strivings accounts for the special character of a man, and their specific combination determines the extent to which an individual can achieve an inner equilibrium and can contribute to the well-being of society. It is quite possible that the relative strength of these two drives is, in the main, fixed by inheritance. But the personality that finally emerges is largely formed by the environment in which a man happens to find himself during his development, by the structure of the society in which he grows up, by the tradition of that society, and by its appraisal of particular types of behavior. The abstract concept "society" means to the individual human being the sum total of his direct and indirect relations to his contemporaries and to all the people of earlier generations. The individual is able to think, feel, strive, and work by himself; but he depends so much upon society—in his physical, intellectual, and emotional existence—that it is impossible to think of him, or to understand him, outside the framework of society. It is "society" which provides man with food, clothing, a home, the tools of work, language, the forms of thought, and most of the content of thought; his life is made possible through the labor and the accomplishments of the many millions past and present who are all hidden behind the small word “society.”
It is evident, therefore, that the dependence of the individual upon society is a fact of nature which cannot be abolished—just as in the case of ants and bees. However, while the whole life process of ants and bees is fixed down to the smallest detail by rigid, hereditary instincts, the social pattern and interrelationships of human beings are very variable and susceptible to change. Memory, the capacity to make new combinations, the gift of oral communication have made possible developments among human being which are not dictated by biological necessities. Such developments manifest themselves in traditions, institutions, and organizations; in literature; in scientific and engineering accomplishments; in works of art. This explains how it happens that, in a certain sense, man can influence his life through his own conduct, and that in this process conscious thinking and wanting can play a part.
Man acquires at birth, through heredity, a biological constitution which we must consider fixed and unalterable, including the natural urges which are characteristic of the human species. In addition, during his lifetime, he acquires a cultural constitution which he adopts from society through communication and through many other types of influences. It is this cultural constitution which, with the passage of time, is subject to change and which determines to a very large extent the relationship between the individual and society. Modern anthropology has taught us, through comparative investigation of so-called primitive cultures, that the social behavior of human beings may differ greatly, depending upon prevailing cultural patterns and the types of organization which predominate in society. It is on this that those who are striving to improve the lot of man may ground their hopes: human beings are not condemned, because of their biological constitution, to annihilate each other or to be at the mercy of a cruel, self-inflicted fate.
If we ask ourselves how the structure of society and the cultural attitude of man should be changed in order to make human life as satisfying as possible, we should constantly be conscious of the fact that there are certain conditions which we are unable to modify. As mentioned before, the biological nature of man is, for all practical purposes, not subject to change. Furthermore, technological and demographic developments of the last few centuries have created conditions which are here to stay. In relatively densely settled populations with the goods which are indispensable to their continued existence, an extreme division of labor and a highly-centralized productive apparatus are absolutely necessary. The time—which, looking back, seems so idyllic—is gone forever when individuals or relatively small groups could be completely self-sufficient. It is only a slight exaggeration to say that mankind constitutes even now a planetary community of production and consumption.
I have now reached the point where I may indicate briefly what to me constitutes the essence of the crisis of our time. It concerns the relationship of the individual to society. The individual has become more conscious than ever of his dependence upon society. But he does not experience this dependence as a positive asset, as an organic tie, as a protective force, but rather as a threat to his natural rights, or even to his economic existence. Moreover, his position in society is such that the egotistical drives of his make-up are constantly being accentuated, while his social drives, which are by nature weaker, progressively deteriorate. All human beings, whatever their position in society, are suffering from this process of deterioration. Unknowingly prisoners of their own egotism, they feel insecure, lonely, and deprived of the naive, simple, and unsophisticated enjoyment of life. Man can find meaning in life, short and perilous as it is, only through devoting himself to society.
The economic anarchy of capitalist society as it exists today is, in my opinion, the real source of the evil. We see before us a huge community of producers the members of which are unceasingly striving to deprive each other of the fruits of their collective labor—not by force, but on the whole in faithful compliance with legally established rules. In this respect, it is important to realize that the means of production—that is to say, the entire productive capacity that is needed for producing consumer goods as well as additional capital goods—may legally be, and for the most part are, the private property of individuals.
For the sake of simplicity, in the discussion that follows I shall call “workers” all those who do not share in the ownership of the means of production—although this does not quite correspond to the customary use of the term. The owner of the means of production is in a position to purchase the labor power of the worker. By using the means of production, the worker produces new goods which become the property of the capitalist. The essential point about this process is the relation between what the worker produces and what he is paid, both measured in terms of real value. Insofar as the labor contract is “free,” what the worker receives is determined not by the real value of the goods he produces, but by his minimum needs and by the capitalists' requirements for labor power in relation to the number of workers competing for jobs. It is important to understand that even in theory the payment of the worker is not determined by the value of his product.
Private capital tends to become concentrated in few hands, partly because of competition among the capitalists, and partly because technological development and the increasing division of labor encourage the formation of larger units of production at the expense of smaller ones. The result of these developments is an oligarchy of private capital the enormous power of which cannot be effectively checked even by a democratically organized political society. This is true since the members of legislative bodies are selected by political parties, largely financed or otherwise influenced by private capitalists who, for all practical purposes, separate the electorate from the legislature. The consequence is that the representatives of the people do not in fact sufficiently protect the interests of the underprivileged sections of the population. Moreover, under existing conditions, private capitalists inevitably control, directly or indirectly, the main sources of information (press, radio, education). It is thus extremely difficult, and indeed in most cases quite impossible, for the individual citizen to come to objective conclusions and to make intelligent use of his political rights.
The situation prevailing in an economy based on the private ownership of capital is thus characterized by two main principles: first, means of production (capital) are privately owned and the owners dispose of them as they see fit; second, the labor contract is free. Of course, there is no such thing as a pure capitalist society in this sense. In particular, it should be noted that the workers, through long and bitter political struggles, have succeeded in securing a somewhat improved form of the “free labor contract” for certain categories of workers. But taken as a whole, the present day economy does not differ much from “pure” capitalism.
Production is carried on for profit, not for use. There is no provision that all those able and willing to work will always be in a position to find employment; an “army of unemployed” almost always exists. The worker is constantly in fear of losing his job. Since unemployed and poorly paid workers do not provide a profitable market, the production of consumers' goods is restricted, and great hardship is the consequence. Technological progress frequently results in more unemployment rather than in an easing of the burden of work for all. The profit motive, in conjunction with competition among capitalists, is responsible for an instability in the accumulation and utilization of capital which leads to increasingly severe depressions. Unlimited competition leads to a huge waste of labor, and to that crippling of the social consciousness of individuals which I mentioned before.
This crippling of individuals I consider the worst evil of capitalism. Our whole educational system suffers from this evil. An exaggerated competitive attitude is inculcated into the student, who is trained to worship acquisitive success as a preparation for his future career.
I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy, accompanied by an educational system which would be oriented toward social goals. In such an economy, the means of production are owned by society itself and are utilized in a planned fashion. A planned economy, which adjusts production to the needs of the community, would distribute the work to be done among all those able to work and would guarantee a livelihood to every man, woman, and child. The education of the individual, in addition to promoting his own innate abilities, would attempt to develop in him a sense of responsibility for his fellow men in place of the glorification of power and success in our present society.
Nevertheless, it is necessary to remember that a planned economy is not yet socialism. A planned economy as such may be accompanied by the complete enslavement of the individual. The achievement of socialism requires the solution of some extremely difficult socio-political problems: how is it possible, in view of the far-reaching centralization of political and economic power, to prevent bureaucracy from becoming all-powerful and overweening? How can the rights of the individual be protected and therewith a democratic counterweight to the power of bureaucracy be assured?
Clarity about the aims and problems of socialism is of greatest significance in our age of transition. Since, under present circumstances, free and unhindered discussion of these problems has come under a powerful taboo, I consider the foundation of this magazine to be an important public service.
 
I just thought it was interesting and decided to share that Einstein was "one of them." LOL

Anyways something has rescently occured to me and I wanted to hear the thoughts of others. I have rescently run into a problem with trying to create a completely socialist economy. I've been imagining in my head how it would work, assuming it could work, and I ran into a problem.

CBS, NBC, FOx, ect. Who is going to run these? The government? If they are run by the government than it's not a free press, and no free press = no democracy. No democracy = a non completely communist country. You can't a completely communist country without democracy. You can't have a democracy without a free press either. But the free press is part of the free market.

Based on this it might be impossible to have a 100% completely communist society where everybody has equal wealth and or money doesn't exist.

However there might simply be something I haven't thought of. Somebody else might have figured something out that would work. Perhaps you guys would like to share some ideas for how a communist country could get around this? Keep in mind that the whole reason a free press is important is so that elected officials can't control the flow of information to keep themselves in power.
 

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