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Why didn't Batman and Gordon just pin Two-Face's crimes on the Joker instead of Batman taking the rap?

It worked on many levels beyond simple plot. He did it not only for keeping Harvey's reputation clean, but for getting himself out of the way too.

1. Batman is a vigilante, a guy working for the system outside of the system's boundaries. A necessary evil, but an evil nonetheless. One of the things he was doing was making Gotham too dependant on him, which made Dent use Batman to track down Lau, which made the mob unleash the greatest freak ever as a counter-attack. Now that Batman is the Police number 1 enemy, any counter-attack will be directed at the Batman only, and not to his allies. No more attempts of assasination at the DA and his girlfriend... no more Gordon having to fake his own death to protect his family.
2. No more love from the public, no more the wrong kind of inspiration. He knows that the public should be looking up to the public defenders like Dent, not to criminal vigilantes like him. He's trying to minimize the copycats eventualities, which not only were completely wrong and irresponsible but also received retaliation from the Joker. Now that Batman is bad, less chubby fanboys will want to be like him.
3. No more attitude from the mob. We all know that Maroni was a prick and one with attitude, but telling the guy who is supposed to represent evil, right to his masked face, that people are "wise" about his "ethics"? That's the wrong kind of attitude, man. Batman needed to look scarier right away, and what better way than telling the whole world he didn't longer care about killing? Nothing better than that.
4. His own safety. Getting inside police headquarters and such was fine for a time, but he can't do that forever, what he does is still criminal and he's compromising the ethic of the now Police Commissioner. At some point, Gotham's citizens would have to solve the problem of having a vigilante ("When they don't (need you), they'll cast you out, like a leper.", "One day, the Batman will have to answer for the laws he's broken... but to us"). If they're inevitably going to outcast him and punish him, becoming obstacles for Batman's job, why not do that on a moment of Bats choice. Seeing all the previous reasons, it's better just to do it now and not be caught off guard.
5. And of course, protecting Harvey's reputation and his prosecutions.

Seriously, the ending works on too many levels beyond the fifth reason. The funny thing is not many people notice it.
 
Can someone, please, tell me what are the names of the clown masks at the bank robbery? If someone can provide small pictures to the names I'll be grateful.
 
Can someone, please, tell me what are the names of the clown masks at the bank robbery? If someone can provide small pictures to the names I'll be grateful.

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Grumpy

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One in the front - Dopey
One about to kill him - Happy

I apologize, but I can't find a picture of the first clown who got shot. His name is Chuckles

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The Joker. According to the script, the clown is identified as Bozo.

I hope this helps you. I know you asked for small pictures; if I can find some this evening, I'll re-edit. Or maybe someone else can help. There are cooler dorks than me on The Hype!
 
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I thought Batman wanted to give people something bigger than a man to believe in; a symbol, and that's why he became Batman. Now that at least some people are behind him and he has inspired change, he shoots himself in the foot by taking the blame for murders he didn't commit. Strategically speaking, I don't think he chose the best lie to tell.
 
^ But in TDK he realized he ended up inspiring madness, eg the Joker and other vigilantes.
 
Cool, but why does 'Grumpy' look the happiest?

For the longest time I thought:

Grumpy = Joker
Chuckles = Clown run over with bus
Bozo = Clown shot by bank manager
Dopey and Happy = Alarm and vault clowns, who knows which is which.

The names the clowns have in the script are odd. I prefer my version.

BTW, here are some more questions:

Why did they wait so long to evacuate Dent from the hospital? If they thought Dent was the Joker's target, shouldn't they have moved him first? The fact that they waited so long to move a public official makes me think the white cop might have been working for the Joker.

What was the dead fake Batman suspended from? A crane?
 
I always thought Grumpy was the Joker. It just fits more. The mask actually looks grumpy.
 
Ok, I've looked thirty different times, and I CANNOT for the life of me see the joker going into the hospital. Supposedly with a stretcher? Anyone wanna help me out?
 
Ok, I've looked thirty different times, and I CANNOT for the life of me see the joker going into the hospital. Supposedly with a stretcher? Anyone wanna help me out?

People said that around here for a while but no, I don't see him either. Myth, myth, myth..
 
Well... I have a question. We see a nurse in the first hospital scene... The Joker kills her and steals her clothes? :whatever:
 
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Why did the Joker took Lau with him when he was tasked to kill Batman? And why did he setup a meeting whith the Chechen when he failed their task?
 
He didn't fail anything, he was either lying all along or just changed his mind and decided not to kill Batman. And he set up a meeting with the Chechen and Maroni because I think he was going to kill them, get them out of the way. As he said, it's his city now.
 
Why did the Joker took Lau with him when he was tasked to kill Batman? And why did he setup a meeting whith the Chechen when he failed their task?

He took Lau with him because only Lau knew where the mob's money was, and then told Maroni and The Chechen to come collect. But Maroni probably suspected a trap, which is why he didn't show ("where's the Italian?") and told Gordon where the meeting was.
 
Anyone knows how many times did the Joker says "Why so serious" in the whole movie?
Thanks for any helpful reply.
 
alright, this 1's just for fun.

...in a fight between the batman wannabes and jokers thugs who would win?:yay:
 
alright, this 1's just for fun.

...in a fight between the batman wannabes and jokers thugs who would win?:yay:
Batman wannabes. Joker thugs have to be told what to do. Or they aren't even aware of what's happening to them, like the phone-in-stomach guy. :funny:
 
lolz. Yea Jokers thugs probably don't know what day of the week it is. The Bat wannabes at least seem slightly organized the way they ambushed the drug deal.
 
ya, i think the joker thugs in the bank robbery at the beginning whould prolly give them the most trouble. but then again fihgting isn't exactly their speciality, so they'd prolly lose to.
 

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