The Dark Knight The Dark Knight Fan Review Thread

How Do You Rate The Dark Knight?

  • 10 - The praise isn't a matter of hyperbole. Get your keister to the theater to see this NOW! :up:

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  • 5 - We had to endure the boards crashing for this? :dry:

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  • 1 - They should have stopped while they were ahead with Batman Begins. :down


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Why? Is Dent the only attorney in the city? Is he the only good cop or concerned citizen?

Responding to some of your post:

He wasn't literally the ONLY person but he was a symbol for the few good people standing out against a world rife with corruption. The people seeing Dent become corrupted as well would be catastrophic. By keeping the image of the White Knight alive, Batman is letting the people believe that one man can make a difference (without resorting to vigilantism). It is meant to inspire the people to not allow criminal behavior in their city as they have in the past by succumbing to bribery, coercion, and fear.

Batman taking the heat is a powerful display of his character (which you agreed with) and was the only real ethical decision for him to make while still allowing Harvey to serve as a symbol; it would be completely unethical (and out of character) to blame the events on anyone else (including the Joker), and I don't think Batman is at that point of desperation yet where he would do that. You advocate telling the truth to the people, which he could do, but Harvey had a place in the hearts of the people that no elected official today has in our world. Everyone "believes in Harvey Dent" and Batman doesn't want to see them lose that faith. It may not be 100% the best decision: what happens when you over protect a child from the harshness of reality? They are unprepared to deal with reality when it smacks them in the face and will most likely resent you.

I'd like to see Batman and Gordon get called out for their manipulative behavior; see the people resent them and have them regain the trust of the city. Eventually this would lead to Batman becoming the symbol that Dent was supposed to be (which I believe was one of your reasons for not having to cover up Dent).

I am not completely defending Nolan but I DO see a logic to Batman's decision. It isn't a perfect decision on his part, but there was a solid (if short term) reason to allow the people to keep hope/faith in the symbol of Gotham's White Knight. I also see how it can/will bite him in the ass and I hope it does because that will make some damn good storytelling.

On a side note: Batman did not break his one rule. Any deontologist will tell you that while killing is morally wrong, killing in self-defense is justifiable. Also, there is no reason to believe that Batman intended to kill Harvey and an accidental death, while heartbreaking, doesn't really count as Batman breaking his one rule.
 
finally see it on the big screen last nite. incredible absolutly incredible!! all the people that are only settling for the bootleg are doing themselves and more importantly the whole team behind TDK a massive disservice. yea i watched the bootleg but only because i couldn't wait and i already see all the spoilers, but i had my ticket booked anyway and i'm soooooooooo glad i did. i dont wanna go into much detail but it truly is outstanding. just when you think a convo is getting a lil long winded and boring something else comes along to keep you interested and entertained. ledger? what can i say apart from my mate who i went with hadnt really heard all the hype and wasn't really expecting something so breathtaking from him. the first words he said when we came out were "was that really heath ledger?". seriously if the joker was uncredited and no one KNEW it was heath ledger there is no way in this world anyone could ever say "ohh thats that heath ledger bloke" the real magic trick was his dissapearance!!
 
Anyone else thinks that it gets better with every time you see it?
 
Me too :woot: I had my mom with me. She was blown away. She doesn't give a crap about comic book movies, but Heath took her breath away. His "Magic trick" Got a roar from my theather, people were freaked out and laughing their asses off - actually the Joker made you feel like that. Freaked out and amused at the same time.

Blu-ray is a must!

The Dark Knight er den FEDESTE og BEDSTE film jeg nogensindet har set!!!:woot:
 
Stay with me here. So Gotham trusts their elected officals, that's all well and good. How does that concretely benefit Gotham in the long run? To trust the people who are lying to them and, in Dent's case, turning to crime? And worse, the people who are the last line of defense like Gordon and Batman, who cover up the truth instead of letting Gotham know where they stand.

Explain to me how Gotham THINKING their officials won't screw them over and also believing that there is a murdering vigilante on the loose changes a thing about the actual situation in Gotham for the better.

A murderer is nothing new. The D.A. the city thought was bringing criminals to true justice turning to serial killing is new.

In Nolan's universe, Batman is supposed to be almost an urban legend, a shadow and thought in the back of people's minds... if Batman lies low for a while, people may convince themselves he doesn't exist. Also, the existence of fake Batmans will probably inspire belief that the "killer" Batman was a fake Batman. The fact is that Batman had to run from the scene so that someone would be blamed for it besides Dent.

How does Gotham thinking Dent didn't turn evil help make Batman obsolete? Batman's still going to be needed. DENT THE CRUSADING GOOD GUY was the thing that was going to make Batman obsolete. That man is gone. So explain how Gotham thinking he was a good man instead of one who turned to crime changes a thing at this point.

In the context of the logic of the movie, it allows someone else to step into Dent's role, whereas if Dent's tragic fall was laid out for all to see, it would be very difficult for that person to establish public trust... also, depression with such a terrible story might cause the city's economy and mental health to crash.


The entire point of Dent's use in the Batman mythology is that one of Gotham's champions of the law and the people turns to crime and evil and becomes a huge, ongoing threat, even to his former friends and allies. Apparently Nolan didn't value that, he just wanted to sugarcoat everything related to Dent's character in some kind of bass-ackwards "redemption/hope" angle that makes no logical sense.

So, you're upset that Dent died? Is that essentially what this is about? Nolan was true to Dent's character, but chose to focus on Batman's true goal: which is to establish the people of Gotham's trust in their true protectors - legally established law enforcement officials. You can't criticize the movie for something that makes sense in the context of the story, just because you wanted it to be different.

Dent is DEAD (metaphorically or literally). What is the point of Gotham HATING Batman when Dent is no longer around? What good does Gotham trusting a dead man do them now?

So that his work still stands unquestioned. So that someone can step into his place and build on the foundation he established without having that foundation washed away by his mental collapse.

Oh give me a break. Five hundred criminals who have had crimes tied to them through legal, evidentiary means and charged to them aren't going to suddenly walk over Dent's potential mental issues after his trauma. It simply doesn't work that way.

You don't know how the judges in Gotham City will rule... especially if the collapse of Harvey Dent was known, and the people of Gotham consequently believe that they can't trust anyone.

Why? Is Dent the only attorney in the city? Is he the only good cop or concerned citizen?

Nope. There's Gordon, and hopefully there will be someone else to take Dent's place. But, don't forget the Joker's words to Gordon about how "alone" he really is.

Really? He learned to be a hero? Because I could have sworn that he broke his one rule and killed a former ally, and then compounded it with more mistakes. He learned to cover up bad things that happen. Just like a child does. Children, by the way, often quickly learn that this almost never, ever works. I don't consider that heroic on any level.

I think we should all stop saying that Batman broke his one rule in killing Harvey Dent. He leaped at Dent to stop him from possibly shooting a child and Dent fell off a building. Batman fell the same distance and didn't die. Dent did. It was an accident. Accident does not equal a willful killing anymore than choosing not to rescue a mass-murdering man on a derailing train does.

No, it really doesn't. Even disregarding than the fact that there a number of absurd and hard to swallow plothole like elements to this movie's story points, nothing Batman does to "fix things" actually fixes things on any level.

Batman fixes the trust that people would have lost in their elected officials and law enforcement if Dent's fall had become known. Batman also fixes the problem he had in making criminals like Maroni afraid of him... they now all have reason to think he will break his one rule (even though he hasn't).

When have I mentioned a word about morality in relation to Batman lying? I'm talking in terms of the (lack of) practicality and logic of his decisions. It has nothing to do with the fact that lying may be immoral. It has to do with lying being about the worst possible course of action for Batman and Gordon to take in relation to what has happened in Gotham. Because lying and covering up the truth doesn't change a THING, it just makes things worse. Lying creates false hope. False hope, brought about through the lies and deceit of the very people Gotham needs to trust most, will not help them in the long run.

I like to use the phrase, "not facts first, truth first." The truth is... that was not Harvey Dent who committed those murders. But, you can never convince people who know the facts of that truth. So, you sacrifice the facts for the truth: what Harvey Dent believed about justice is the truth, not the betrayal his mental collapse caused. Gordon doesn't lie... he simply accepts Batman's confession. Batman lies, yes, but for the purpose of protecting the truth. It's a tough choice, but he has to make it.
 
Right now, I'm quite a bit too overwhelmed by this incredibly layered, incredibly complex and incredibly dark movie. With all due respect; I just can't believe this is a Batman movie.

The characters are treated in such a phenomenal way. Elements from the comics can be rezognized by the fans, but there are also alot of new elements that feel fresh and true to the characters. A year ago people were wining about the changes from the traditional interpreatations of the characters. But the changes made, only add so muych to the Bat-mythos.

I really liked Nolan as a director. But I was not sure of his genius, a term that so many people already used for the director after BB. Now, it's officially confirmed to me. If he wants to, Hollywood's his ****ing oyster.
 
The last thing on Batman's mind is worrying about cops chasing him. He'll still have his double secret meetings with Gordon.


Batman wants the city to believe in a face (or in this case, a two face! :woot:)
 
As I'm still working on my review, I've realized how much more this actually feels like Nolan's film - far more than "Batman Begins" does. While certainly the latter wasn't a bad film, it didn't really feel like it belonged to him, as any film should to its respective director (and I think this is partly due to Goyer's mass-Hollywood dialogue that permeates it throughout). This does - there's far more skill and craft at work here, from the cinematography to the screenplay, and as a result, the characters feel much more authentic than they did in "Begins."

I'm not downing "Begins," mind - before this film, it's probably the best film from a comic that we've had in a decade. It's a good film, just a couple of belt-notches shy of great. But, even so -
 
I've seen it twice now. Next time is Saturday.

I watched it yesterday for the 5th time. It got better by the 3rd time, got a little worse during the 4th and yesterday it was great again. Tomorrow I'll watch it again. I expect it to be on the same level, most things from the movie have sunk in.
 
As I'm still working on my review, I've realized how much more this actually feels like Nolan's film - far more than "Batman Begins" does. While certainly the latter wasn't a bad film, it didn't really feel like it belonged to him, as any film should to its respective director (and I think this is partly due to Goyer's mass-Hollywood dialogue that permeates it throughout). This does - there's far more skill and craft at work here, from the cinematography to the screenplay, and as a result, the characters feel much more authentic than they did in "Begins."

I'm not downing "Begins," mind - before this film, it's probably the best film from a comic that we've had in a decade. It's a good film, just a couple of belt-notches shy of great. But, even so -

I always felt Begins was just Nolan's way to show Hollywood he deserved to make a trully good Batman movie, so they should leave him free to direct the way he wanted. Begins is for me just ok, TDK is the real deal.
 
I always felt Begins was just Nolan's way to show Hollywood he deserved to make a trully good Batman movie, so they should leave him free to direct the way he wanted. Begins is for me just ok, TDK is the real deal.

That's another way of putting it, sure.
 
I think TDK is like Star Wars' ESB, and probably the apex of this trilogy. I doubt the next movie will be a letdown like ROTJ did, but I don't think it would be able to match the height of TDK either.
 
Awesome movie. My review would pretty much say what everyone else has been saying about the story, the direction, the performances - so i'll just list a few of my favorite parts.

Bat Sonar - wasn't convinced about this when i heard about, but thought it was pulled off brilliantly - plus Bat's looked a lot better with the lenses than the TV spot made out.

Fight scenes - was worried we'd be treated to the poorly shot/edited fights we saw in begins, but really liked the way they were shot in TDK. Got a much better sense of how much of a bad-man batman really is. More Jason Bourne than Jet Li, and the way they just seem to 'happen', without getting a big deal made out of them, didn't detract from the story.

Gorden - probably my favourite character in the film, just love how Oldman - so known for playing nutcases - comes across as a nice guy. And that last speech put a massive grin on my already smiling face.

Batpod - as soon as i heard the rumour that the Pod came from the Tumbler - i didn't like it. But when it happens in the film...DAYUM. And the shot of him turning it by riding up the wall - dunno why, but the people in my screening LOVED that bit.

Magic Trick - easily the part everyones gonna remember. Such a brilliant introduction to a phenomanal character.

Joker/Dent Hospital scene - funny, scarey, tragic - such a brilliant scene.

Batman/Bruce - got a much better sense of his capabilties - and just lovely to see him be the detective.

Rachael - played completly differently from the first film - which put me about a bit at first - but a much better character this time round.

Alfred - "I told you so"

Joker - the most fun, scary villian i've ever seen. On one hand, it's everything we'd ever wanted from our love of the Joker from the comics. On the other, a completly fresh take on an iconic villian. Dunno if it's oscar worthy, but i loved him. So sad we'll never get to see it again.

Dent - such an awesome fall from grace, if it wasn't pulled off so well, i could've felt a little short changed from his (two-face's, not dents) story told so fast. Allthough...is he really dead? I doubt it...

Gotham - a character in itself, the story would be nothing if the feel for this city wasn't done right - it's perfect.

Dunno if its the masterpiece everyone thinks it is. Dunno if all those 10/10 scores are worthy or not. But's it's probably my favourite film since The Matrix back in 99.
 
Well, I'm seeing it in a couple hours with all my friends... then going out afterwards.


I'm keeping expectations really low... i sooo don't want to be disappointed :csad:

But well see!
 
I give it an 8, but i'm too lazy to write up a review :hehe:

There were some things that bugged me (which i posted in the appropiate thread), but for me Heath was perfection, so i try to look beyond the things i disliked about it and rate it 8 :woot:
 
Question;
Gordon said that 5 were dead, 3 of them cops. I counted 3 dead, 1 of whom was a cop. Who'd I miss?
 
Maroni
Ramirez (Cop)
Maroni's driver
"Bar" Cop, can't remember name.

Can't remember the last.

Ramirez didn't die. 2Face told her "Live to fight another day, detective (or officer)" and knocked her unconscious. Tha bar cop was Wuertz.
 
Question;
Gordon said that 5 were dead, 3 of them cops. I counted 3 dead, 1 of whom was a cop. Who'd I miss?

5 dead, 2 of them are cops. I always assumed one of the people Gordon is referring to is Dent himself. That leaves one cop unaccounted for.
 
Actually, if you want to get technical, noone knows (outside the Joker and Harvey) who actually killed the officer that was guarding Harvey's hospital room. Gordon could have assumed Harvey did that. Not the best answer, but it works. Personally, I think Nolan was just wanted the number to be 5 and 2 (same as how pretty much every number in the movie was some variation of 2, 5, or 50). Wish he'd made it a little more clear who the 2 cops and 5 people were though.
 
*Shutters then steps back into the Batman boards*

I really enjoyed the flick.

Heath Ledger was fantastic and so was Gary Oldman.

Maggie G was so much better than Holmes but didn't have much to do but I still don't really care for the sorta love story, it just doesn't work.

Still not feeling Bale as much as I want to and his Batman voice is still terrible. Sometimes you couldn't understand what he was saying.

Eckhart did a fine job.

The first actually good storyline in a Superhero comicbook movie.

Sometimes think that Nolan's style makes the more ridiculous things seem even more ridiculous.

Glad the ScareCrow wasn't in the much as I disliked the character and performance in the first flick.

The car chase scene was well done but the fight scenes still aren't up to par.

The end scene with the Joker hanging upside down was fantasic, so was the Why So Serious scene and the Hospital scene...hell just about every scene with him in it was great. Still wished he laughed more because thats how I like my joker and Ledger came up with a pretty darn great laugh.

The 3rd movie is going to be interesting and a bit sad because it's clear that the Joker was going to play a role... I seriously doubt the role is going to be recast so the plans are going to have to change.

Score: 8.5 or 9.0 out of 10.
 
Actually, if you want to get technical, noone knows (outside the Joker and Harvey) who actually killed the officer that was guarding Harvey's hospital room. Gordon could have assumed Harvey did that. Not the best answer, but it works. Personally, I think Nolan was just wanted the number to be 5 and 2 (same as how pretty much every number in the movie was some variation of 2, 5, or 50). Wish he'd made it a little more clear who the 2 cops and 5 people were though.



That cop was blown up, if they even found his body, they wouldnt of checked for a gunshot. I think the 2 cops he mentions are Werth and Ramirez. Werth was obviously killed, and although Ramirez wasnt killed, she was knocked out, and when she didnt respond to any of Gordons calls I'm sure they presumbed her dead for the time being. The other 3 are Maroni, his driver, and if you look very closely, you can see that on the other side of Maroni's car one of his men is pulled down. This is probably the guy that Dent replaced in the car.
 
That cop was blown up, if they even found his body, they wouldnt of checked for a gunshot. I think the 2 cops he mentions are Werth and Ramirez. Werth was obviously killed, and although Ramirez wasnt killed, she was knocked out, and when she didnt respond to any of Gordons calls I'm sure they presumbed her dead for the time being. The other 3 are Maroni, his driver, and if you look very closely, you can see that on the other side of Maroni's car one of his men is pulled down. This is probably the guy that Dent replaced in the car.

Huh... well, there is your answer. That works better than my explanation.
 
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