The Dark Knight The Dark Knight Fan Review Thread

[Warhammer]

 

[Dark Knight]

 

[Motown Marvel]

LOL...Motown your so coooool and such a rebel.

Your like one of those guys who likes going against the grain to just make yourself seem so cooooooool ya know?

im glad your comfortable in passing such dramatic judgement on character all from a few posts on a comic book forum. its also great that instead of discussing my opinion which apparently differs from your own, you just retort with immature personal insults. insults, which by the way, are the furthest thing from the truth.

 

[The Guard]

Batman needs the people to believe that they can trust in their elected/appointed officials.

Stay with me here. So Gotham trusts their elected officals, that's all well and good. How does that concretely benefit Gotham in the long run? To trust the people who are lying to them and, in Dent's case, turning to crime? And worse, the people who are the last line of defense like Gordon and Batman, who cover up the truth instead of letting Gotham know where they stand.

Explain to me how Gotham THINKING their officials won't screw them over and also believing that there is a murdering vigilante on the loose changes a thing about the actual situation in Gotham for the better.

Remember that the whole point of his mission is to make himself obsolete. he wants "to show the people of Gotham that their city doesn't belong to the criminals & the corrupt."

How does Gotham thinking Dent didn't turn evil help make Batman obsolete? Batman's still going to be needed. DENT THE CRUSADING GOOD GUY was the thing that was going to make Batman obsolete. That man is gone. So explain how Gotham thinking he was a good man instead of one who turned to crime changes a thing at this point.

How can they see that if the man that they trusted most-a man who Bruce Wayne AND Batman vouched for-turns out to be a bloodthirsty psychopath?

How?

The same way people deal with their everyday lives when REAL PEOPLE turn out not to be perfect. They deal with and they badmouth them, and they go "I can't believe so and so did such and such". And they go on living.

The entire point of Dent's use in the Batman mythology is that one of Gotham's champions of the law and the people turns to crime and evil and becomes a huge, ongoing threat, even to his former friends and allies. Apparently Nolan didn't value that, he just wanted to sugarcoat everything related to Dent's character in some kind of bass-ackwards "redemption/hope" angle that makes no logical sense.

Better that they develop some distrust for a faceless vigilante than in the people who they actually appointed to protect them.

Dent is DEAD (metaphorically or literally). What is the point of Gotham HATING Batman when Dent is no longer around? What good does Gotham trusting a dead man do them now?

Plus, Outing Harvey's actions as Two-Face could invalidate everything he'd accomplished up until that point.

How?

It would call into question his mental state, hence his judgment, in every case he'd handled, & whether he should've ever been elected in the first place.

Oh give me a break. Five hundred criminals who have had crimes tied to them through legal, evidentiary means and charged to them aren't going to suddenly walk over Dent's potential mental issues after his trauma. It simply doesn't work that way. Before his trauma, Dent did everything by the book, and his mental state shouldn't have anything to do with his actions (or all the OTHER police who made arrests, etc).

Batman knew, after Dent's death, that if Dent was found to be responsible for the death of all the Mobsters, then the citizens of Gotham City would have lost all faith in their system.

Why? Is Dent the only attorney in the city? Is he the only good cop or concerned citizen?

Having taken the fall for it, Bruce Wayne had done a much more heroic thing than just saving lives. He kept Gotham's morale toward hope...

What good will that hope do them? Is the hope going to sprout wings and become a tangible entity that puts criminals behind bars?

even if it meant they had to hate him for it. That was the entire theme of the movie, and Batman/Bruce Wayne's entire arc. He learned to become a hero.

Really? He learned to be a hero? Because I could have sworn that he broke his one rule and killed a former ally, and then compounded it with more mistakes. He learned to cover up bad things that happen. Just like a child does. Children, by the way, often quickly learn that this almost never, ever works. I don't consider that heroic on any level.

You dont know the difference between friend and ally? Friend is someone you have personal feelings of affection for. Ally is someone with whom you share the common goal. You said explicitly that Batman "lied" for Harvey because he was a "friend" basically that his actions were motivated by a some emotional connection. WRONG. He sacrificed for Harvey because they share a common goal of inspiring the people of city. Friend. Ally. T o t a l l y different. And to be clear as previously proven and conceded by you... Dent and Batman and Bruce are NOT friends. Closer to rivals who are forced to work with each other. SO in one quote you're wrong twice. Let's be clear about that. They're not friends AND friend/ally are separate words with separate meanings. Wrongx2. And what is with the "Gotham" randomly in that sentence lmao.

So they're not friends (another classic mythology element Nolan didn't b other to work into the movie, good for him). You're missing the point entirely. The point is, the emotional impact of Batman being willing to sacrifice his image for Gotham, a friend, or an ally, is the only good angle to what he does at the end of the movie. Everything else makes no sense.

In the sentence "blah blah blah ... look for the good in everyone"

I never said the word "everyone". Nor did I make it sound like it is an absolute. Tell you what. Go relook it.

Just typing out "illogical' doesn't make it so. The movie makes perfect sense.

No, it really doesn't. Even disregarding than the fact that there a number of absurd and hard to swallow plothole like elements to this movie's story points, nothing Batman does to "fix things" actually fixes things on any level.

You think, "The moment Dent turns into Two-Face, he becomes Batman's enemy" RONGGGGG. The moment Dent turns into Two-Face he's in Batman's arms, on fire and unconscious with pain. He hasn't committed any crimes, why the hell is he "Batman's enemy"?

I don't recall saying that at all, although if I did, the meaning would be clear. Obviously he is not Two-Face until he begins acting as such. You're telling me that when he starts killing people and threatening his former allies (Gordon and Batman) and threatening Gordon's sons life, he's not Batman's enemy on some level? What is he at that point? A troubled little lamb gone astray?

I guess that's why Batman kills him. Because they're such close pals at that point. Totally NOT enemies.

Is your Batman also psychic? Batman can see the future and knows Dent is twisted?

No, but one expects that Batman can see when someone needs to be stopped, and when someone is on "the other side".

Or...hey, for ****s and giggles, let's look up what enemy means:

One who feels hatred toward, intends injury to, or opposes the interests of another; a foe.

Hmm...Dent seems to hate Batman, certainly intends injury to him, and yes, I think there's some interest opposing going on there...

OMG HE LIED. You seem to have a strange mental block when it comes to socially accepted behavior and Batman.

Do you even know what "mental block" means? Shall we define that as well?

You think dropping a man from a building so he lands violently and shatters both his ankles is okay. Beating a man viciously and putting him in the hospital... that sounds alright. Kidnapping without injunction or warrant... no problem. Violating multiple international laws, borders and sovereignty... SOUNDS TASTY.

So basically of a litany of potential crimes, sins, and socially unaccepted behavior... ranging from physical assault on an individual allll the way to legal matters of international incident... basically anything one can think of that is physically and legally wrong... all that seems kosher. But a white lie OH NO THAT's IMMORAL. SO UNREALISTIC. Seriously you sound like a kid being raised in a war zone with rape and murder all around you and you sit at home thinking the worst thing in the entire world is disobeying your parents. Why do you have such an anal hangup on the possibility of Batman lying? It's seriously a 7 year old mentality where someone getting beat up is exciting action but lying (like to mom) is a huge sin. Have you ever even seen a guy get slammed onto concrete his nose broken with blood everywhere? It's much worse than a white lie. And batman does brutal things you'd puke if you saw in real life. Get over the idea that the worst thing in the movie is not telling the full truth or you'll never be able to fully enjoy the cinematic experience of this awesome movie

And you sound like a rambling, mostly incoherent and slightly spastic twelve year old. But I digress.

When have I mentioned a word about morality in relation to Batman lying? I'm talking in terms of the (lack of) practicality and logic of his decisions. It has nothing to do with the fact that lying may be immoral. It has to do with lying being about the worst possible course of action for Batman and Gordon to take in relation to what has happened in Gotham. Because lying and covering up the truth doesn't change a THING, it just makes things worse. Lying creates false hope. False hope, brought about through the lies and deceit of the very people Gotham needs to trust most, will not help them in the long run.

hope for gotham.

The hope for Gotham was that they're off the streets? Fantastic, as they're off the streets already, with charges brought against them through the proper legal channels.

 

[Conebone69]

I cant believe it but TDK was sooo much better the second time. And some of the flaws grew on me but others still remain. You really have to see the movie twice to soak up everything.

New rating: 9/10 t:

 

[d.k.]

I cant believe it but TDK was sooo much better the second time. And some of flaws grew on me but others still remain. You really have to see the movie twice to soak up everything.

New rating: 9/10 t:

Glad you liked it more

 

[Conebone69]

Glad you liked it more

Me too

 

[CGHulk]

The movie ran to long.

 

[The Battousai]

Not really.

 

[Spade]

It's weird saying this after Iron Man, but this was one of the best movie's I've seen. The Joker isn't just hype, yet he's just a highlight. I'd say more, but I'd just be a windbag and the movie speaks for itself.

On a side-note: If you like a campy Batman, you might not like this. But then again, I can't think of a campy Batman that was good. So...

 

[chaseter]

The movie ran to long.

You complain of a 2 1/2 hour movie running too long yet the avatar you use has a character from two movies over 2 1/2 hours long

 

[Theweepeople]

I loved this movie but, the boxoffice numbers are absurd. Over 200million in 5 days? I think it's safe to say there will be a sequel or sequels for this franchise. My only gripes are the movie could have used another 15 minutes and the two-face death is annoying.

 

[Theweepeople]

You complain of a 2 1/2 hour movie running too long yet the avatar you use has a character from two movies over 2 1/2 hours long

That's bizzare. One of those two hour movies was pretty crappy. The other one was okay but, it's story seemed unnecessary.

 

[Spade]

I think it's safe to say there will be a sequel or sequels for this franchise.

It would be annoying if they just left the story here. The ending doesn't close anything; in fact, it leaves plenty of rich material to explore.

 

[Mac_Hine]

I saw the movie again today and man, is it way better the second time around! The first viewing I came out speechless and didn't know what to think. I liked it but really had no reaction. But over the next few days I kept going back to scenes in my head and start it to love it. Then I decided to see it again and now WOW! Great freaking movie. I don't get how some people nit pick the turd out of a movie and not just enjoy it for what it is. Oh well.

 

[Darkfly]

Here is my review, its pretty long but its spoiler free since I posted it in a spoiler free zone plus it would be twice as huge if I included spoilers

The Dark Knight - ??/10 (check after long review for my score)

NOOOOOO SPOILERS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Spoiler FREE

Short Review
So I went to a special screening of TDK last night, it was pretty ****ing okay. The Dark Knight is the best interpretation since Burton’s films (or some might argue since Batman:TAS (the animated series).It’s a fantastic film which succeeds in impressing but if you step back & think for 2 seconds, it’s not perfect, still has many flaws but is still the best blockbuster in years.

Long Review
I’ll just get it out of my system, Batman Begins sucked on a huge level for me, poor & underused villains, some miscasting, a long & very boring first half, & not enough Batman. The Dark Knight succeeds in all these areas this time the parallel opposite to BB villains, the Joker is both terrifying & unbelievably insane, there are moments when he shows his insanity, the cinema find it funny I didn’t...half the time anyway, I saw a deranged psychopath with no moral compass. Harvey Dent, I don’t care what people say but for me the films belongs to Harvey, it stayed true to his comic counterpart, actually it didn’t but character wise it does stay very true to the source material, Aaron Eckhart puts in an extremely memorable performance (as did Ledger) as Harvey/Two Face.

Should I talk more about the good like the awesomely cool chase sequence or the occasional glimpse of a great musical score which ends up being a tad OTT but still great, nope I’m gonna talk about the negative stuff. The Dark Knight is not the truest version of Batman, the Joker wears makeup, Dent’s transformation into Two-Face has completely been changed, ****ing Rachael is still in it, & the convenient set ups are bloody annoying. All these things are Nolan’s fault, why cause he wants his vision set in the real world, excuse me I’m never seen the Batman comics ever try to be realistic, in TDK you feel he’s taking this too far & that in the next film it will get ridiculous, wouldn’t be surprised if the Riddler was turned into some super hacker.

Nice to see how conveniently he can get a new suit in such short time (only the later campy Batman films were guilty of this) or just so happens to have a Bat-Pod come out from nowhere, which still looks ridiculous. Rachael is now played by a different actress (Maggie) who I’m a fan of which made her character that more interesting than Cruise’s wife from BB but still they could of used one of the many women in Bruce’s life from the comics (& no not Vicki Vale). I have a slight problem with two aspects of Nolan’s films which are related...Bruce Wayne, Bale is not playing Bruce he’s playing Batman all the time, not literally & yeah I know Batman’s mask is Bruce, there is no depth to Bruce’s character, by depth I mean in the film it wants to be, but compared to any other blockbuster its PERFECT. You feel no emotional connection to the things which affect Bruce’s life, you see it affect Batman but not Bruce, if you get what I’m saying. And the second thing related to this is Bale, he plays Batman not Bruce, when’s he’s Bruce he never shows the depth of acting a actor should for playing this deeply scarred torn character, look at Keaton in the original films, his face did half the acting while he was Bruce & he showed the exact version of Bruce I have in my head, a tortured soul who just doesn't fit in & Bale pretending to be this ass of a playboy is not quite the same thing. Doesn’t help when the only scene I felt anything for Bruce was when he was sulking in the chair, which was both brief & required almost zero acting skills mostly cause the camera wasn’t focusing on Bruce but more on Alfred. I only connected to Gordon & Harvey Dent, but both of the actors who play them are two of my favourite actors. Minus those two I just felt emotional connection to the characters, yeah the Joker does things which cause people to get angry & upset but the film distanced itself from showing any emotional depth other than a few scenes most of which are Harvey/Gordon related.

This is much more I can criticize especially being a serious Batman fan but I won’t go into that since it will give big spoilers away & this review is getting long
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How about some positive closing comments (two paragraphs I mean) .

The Dark Knight is by no means a bad film nor an ok film nor a good film...no it’s a ****ing fantastic film which just about meets my expectations. I still can’t get over Bale’s voice as Batman (uhhh ahhh I have a deep voice) or some of the aspects of the villains but it makes up for it with a very well thought out script, occasional snippets of unique & original dialogue (all by the Joker & Dent), some much improved action sequences over BB, & a fitting but not entirely satisfying fanboy ending but is well done nonetheless.

But here’s the thing it draws more on the detective aspect of Batman but oh shock it really isn’t, Batman does almost zero detective work honestly. And the big thing is it’s become a film...not a superhero film, Nolan has sucked everything out of Batman making it this realistic story of an outcast, which is fine, hell even great...no fantastic but it’s not an accurate version of BATMAN that’s why I give it a 10/10 (so close to giving it a 9.9/10)


AND yes I still like Batman Returns & ’89 more, though I do prefer the Joker from TDK, I believe Burton captured Batman & Bruce Wayne better than Nolan ever will.

P.S. it should not be a 12 rated film, TDK is much more violent than either Batman ’89 or Batman Returns yet they are rated 15.

 

[jed.exodus.89]

ok guys, i live in the south east of england and i saw the 1st advanced screening of tdk last night after work at my local cineworld. OMG WOW! seriously, it was amazing. i new it would b gd, and i thought it would never live up 2 the hype, but it did and then some. im goin 2 c it again 2day wen ive finished work. it was such a well made film. its defo in my top 5 fav films. maybe top 3!!!

 

[Kevin Roegele]

Was this bit in the movie? I can't remember...

 

[rage666]

Well, the dark knight officially opens here in the u.k on Friday, but I was lucky enough to get tickets for an advance screening last night, and thought I would post a little mini review for anyone interested, spoiler free of course.

Firstly...believe the hype! this movie was quite simply astounding from beginning to end, the cinematography was stunningly good, the plot was engaging, full of unexpected twists and turns, and as for the much hyped heath ledger joker performance.....it really is that good. whenever he comes on screen, he captivates, the twitching, the rolling of the eyes, the licking of the lips, combined with the high pitched score whenever he shows up, genuinely makes you feel a little uncomfortable and on edge as to what he will do next.

I don’t know what surprised me more, how much it not only matched but surpassed my every expectation, or the sight of my wife, who I had dragged reluctantly along to watch (she had initially no desire to see it, but I insisted loll), staring open mouthed at the screen, half eaten box of popcorn forgotten as she lost herself in the movie

The wife is (was) a massive fan of ledger, and even she said he was unrecognisable, such was his immersion in the role. In short, on screen you don’t see an actor, you see the joker. He is sadistic, callous, a violent sociopath without rules. The rise and subsequent fall of Harvey dent is both tragic and brilliant, played to perfection by Aaron Eckhart, and without giving away details, the 2 face CGI/makeup is stunning. batman is suitably brutal, breaking bones and dispatching thugs with ease, and the ever reliable Caine freeman and Oldman play superb supporting roles (although I did notice Oldman's English accent slip through on occasion when he was shouting, which was pretty funny)
All in all, this was a tense, action packed, deep crime drama which I encourage everyone to see, it really is that good!!

 

[paec_djinn]

Was this bit in the movie? I can't remember...

Woah, you forgot that part. I really thought that was an unforgettable moment. It's when the Mayor is looking out the window talking to Dent and the body drops and hangs in front of him.

Unless of course you're talking about the specific picture being in the film. Which it is. The card says "Will the real Batman please stand up?" And later on they find the DNA of Surrilo, Dent and Loeb on the card.

 

[CGHulk]

Not really.

You complain of a 2 1/2 hour movie running too long yet the avatar you use has a character from two movies over 2 1/2 hours long

Ok sorry, what I meant to say is that Nolan put in to many plot points and it should of ended and just went on and on for another 40 minutes. BTW my avatar has nothing to do with my love of the movie but the quality of the CGI!

 

[LegendaryCaleb]

Was this bit in the movie? I can't remember...

I have that exact knife!
also...Glad to see you liked it more Conebone

 

[The Dutch Hulk]

I just saw it tonight and The Dark Knight is now my number 1!!!!!!! What an amazing, long pffff lol and good movie.

Bale was great and great playing the Batman again......he need to take some cough medicine by the way lol
The Jokers didn't laughed that much but that didn't bother me......Heath really did an excellent job!!! He should get a Oscar for that and the whole movie as well!!! Gary Oldman did an very good job too

Nolan you are the man !!!

The only thing that sucked to me was, for the second time, the role for Rachel Dawes, both Maggie Gyllenhaal and Katie Homes sucked! In this movie it was the case of an irritating voice and not to pretty and bad actress.....that is the only thing what bothered me so Rachel : [YT]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rflqWQLPqZs[/YT]

 

[The Dutch Hulk]

I have that exact knife!
also...Glad to see you liked it more Conebone

Love your sign !!!!

[YT]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5V5xHuM-mOE[/YT]

 

[ronny]

10/10
One of the best movies I've ever seen in my life. Heath Ledger delivered a performance that at times had my mouth wide open in disbelief. There was not a single weak link in the chain and everything in this movie worked.
There are just too many good moments to relate to you. SEE THIS NOW.