The Dark Knight The Dark Knight Fan Review Thread

[louiebling$]

I'm gonna see it IMAX *sigh* I can't wait... plus the tickets are free

 

[Naite22]

I'll try to make it brief -

Just saw Dark Knight today, the theater was nearly packed, which is rare for a Monday. The film is nothing less than a masterpiece. The late Heath Ledger was undeniably creepy as the hateful, heartless, lip-licking, cackling Joker (and trust me, he does a great job of making you hate the Joker), while Aaron Eckhart delivers a powerful performance as the doomed DA Harvey Dent/2-Face. Christian Bale is of course still good as the Batman with the always welcomed Gary Oldman, Michael Caine & Morgan Freeman reprising their roles as Gordon, Alfred & Fox. Maggie Gyllenhaal lends nice support in the Rachel Dawes role originated by Katie Holmes (who is sadly better known now as Mrs. Tom Cruise #3).

Can't wait for the next one... and it had better have Catwoman/Selina Kyle in it.

If only they could make a Superman film half as good as Dark Knight...

Now... can we PLEASE have some DC heroes who are not Batman and/or Superman in a big summer blockbuster?

You had me until that line!... I dont mean to be a jerk, I just can't understand why anyone would want to see her in a future NOLAN batman flick!... First her, than Robin, and_here_we_go! Everybody wants to wear a costume screaming "I wanna be a hero too!!!"... Before you know it, the mystery of Batman is gone, and it has all become a freaken carnival where everyone is dressed up like idiots! and the magic will disappear!

These movies are sooooo good, why ruin a good thing?? I say, stay focused on Bruce and Batman. No need to bring in all of these side-shows.

I dont know if Nolan could make it work with Robin, but I'd rather he didn't try, really... But never in a MILLION YEARS, do I see him make Selina Kyle aka. Catwoman work in a batman movie!

 

[The Battousai]

^

 

[Naite22]

^ Nope!...

 

[Kalleo]

This is going to piss a bunch of folks off but I have to say this movie was no where as good as the hype made it out to be.

Let me start by saying the Heath Ledger did an amazing job as the Joker and I loved how they did his back ground story. And loved Harvey too and his story right up to the point where Batman suggested that they frame the murders on him. Both me and my wife looked at each other at the same time and said WTF. See the Batman I knew would have never suggested that much less go threw with having murders pined on him. To me that was what set Batman apart him refused to take a life and to me I could see him doing all he could to prove himself innocent of murders, before allowing his name to be tarnished. And wtf was with him just waltzing around in the Police stationed like e owned the place and letting other people besides Gordon see him? I mean come on I could see him in there not knowing how he got in and then stepping out of the shadows to talk to Gordon when he was alone. I could go on and on about how Batman portrayal in this movie sucked and how all the other supporting characters kicked ass. I loved how Batman made the Joker, it worked for me this Joker was Brilliant and I am a huge fan boy of Batman Begins I loved how they did that movie. But this movie was an hour too long and needlessly tarnished the name of Batman. The Dark Knight jumped the shark for me and if there is a third I may rent it from Blockbuster after it comes out on DVD but no way will I spend over a hundred dollars taking the family to see it in the movies.

 

[Octoberist]

'tarnished the name of Batman". hmmm

 

[bunk]

Hundred dollars? How many kids do you have?

 

[nightcrawler01]

I thought TDK was just an average movie with an incredible performance by Heath Ledger as the Joker. I felt too much was going on in the whole thing!!!! I didn't know what or who to focus on.

I thought Two-Face was badass but honestly I would have left him out and put Harley Quinn in the movie. I would have kept Harvey Dent though.

 

[magus]

I thought TDK was just an average movie with an incredible performance by Heath Ledger as the Joker. I felt too much was going on in the whole thing!!!! I didn't know what or who to focus on.

Watch it again and you will feel better; you catch a lot more of the plot the second time and things make more sense.

To the post above that said the movie was an hour too long: not even close to true. If anything the movie could have stood to be longer and include some of the transitions that seemed to have been cut out for pacing.

I thought Two-Face was badass but honestly I would have left him out and put Harley Quinn in the movie. I would have kept Harvey Dent though.

Did you even watch the movie the first time? The entire thing is about Harvey Dent's descent; he HAD to turn into Two-Face. How would Harley Quinn make more sense to include than Two-Face?

 

[The Sage]

I wish it could've been three hours.

 

[Golgo-13]

What was the movie timeline between BB and TDK? Was it one year, hence Jokers line about going back a year and none of the cops would dare touche them (the mob bosses)...? Seems like a long time for Joker to be on the loose..

 

[BloodyWolverine]

Who are the 5 goobers who gave 1 for TDK. Likely jealous Spiderman fans. TDK is this years best film but not much better then Iron Man if ask me. Both were good. And for not liking TDK as some people are. I am not sure what more people want.
Ledger, Oldman, Freeman, Caine and Eckhart were flawless if ask me. Bale is good as Batman but i like Keatons Batman voice best. I am likely the only person who said yes when rachael was blown up for she and her love traingle is what effected both men if ask me.

 

[Chris Wallace]

Seems to me he'd been staying under the radar for the most part. You don't pull a couple of robberies & then try to take over the mobs. He'd need time to gather intel & resources. A year makes sense.
My only real problem was Maggie. I really didn't like her as Rachel.

 

[Chris Wallace]

Who are the 5 goobers who gave 1 for TDK. Likely jealous Spiderman fans. TDK is this years best film but not much better then Iron Man if ask me. Both were good. And for not liking TDK as some people are. I am not sure what more people want.
Ledger, Oldman, Freeman, Caine and Eckhart were flawless if ask me. Bale is good as Batman but i like Keatons Batman voice best. I am likely the only person who said yes when rachael was blown up for she and her love traingle is what effected both men if ask me.

Why pick on Spidey fans? What have we done to you? I gave it a 10 & you'll be hard-pressed to find a more die-hard Spider-Man fan than me. I just don't believe in lying to myself out of some misguided sense of loyalty.
Admittedly, a part of me wanted Rachel gone too. I felt like she didn't help the storyline. And in her absence, Bruce can maybe fall in love again, which would open the door for Selina Kyle.
Also, I was against Robin for a long time, but maybe he's what Batman would need in order to start his journey toward redemption.

 

[JL Unlimited]

What was the movie timeline between BB and TDK? Was it one year, hence Jokers line about going back a year and none of the cops would dare touche them (the mob bosses)...? Seems like a long time for Joker to be on the loose..

I think it's fine. The Joker spent a year robbing banks during the day so Batman wouldn't be able to catch him. Plus, Batman never knew of his real motives even early on during the Dark Knight. To him, Joker was just an eccentric bank robber. He was more concerned with getting rid of the mob. "One man or the entire mob?"

 

[Korben Dallas]

I think it's fine. The Joker spent a year robbing banks during the day so Batman wouldn't be able to catch him. Plus, Batman never knew of his real motives even early on during the Dark Knight. To him, Joker was just an eccentric bank robber. He was more concerned with getting rid of the mob. "One man or the entire mob?"

Good Observation

 

[javi1024]

This is going to piss a bunch of folks off but I have to say this movie was no where as good as the hype made it out to be.

Let me start by saying the Heath Ledger did an amazing job as the Joker and I loved how they did his back ground story. And loved Harvey too and his story right up to the point where Batman suggested that they frame the murders on him. Both me and my wife looked at each other at the same time and said WTF. See the Batman I knew would have never suggested that much less go threw with having murders pined on him. To me that was what set Batman apart him refused to take a life and to me I could see him doing all he could to prove himself innocent of murders, before allowing his name to be tarnished. And wtf was with him just waltzing around in the Police stationed like e owned the place and letting other people besides Gordon see him? I mean come on I could see him in there not knowing how he got in and then stepping out of the shadows to talk to Gordon when he was alone. I could go on and on about how Batman portrayal in this movie sucked and how all the other supporting characters kicked ass. I loved how Batman made the Joker, it worked for me this Joker was Brilliant and I am a huge fan boy of Batman Begins I loved how they did that movie. But this movie was an hour too long and needlessly tarnished the name of Batman. The Dark Knight jumped the shark for me and if there is a third I may rent it from Blockbuster after it comes out on DVD but no way will I spend over a hundred dollars taking the family to see it in the movies.

well im not gonna get on your case because you didnt like the movie. everyone has their own opinions and your entitled to them. but i dont know how you can feel that it tarnished the name of Batman. he never took a life- not once- in the entire movie. and the only reason he was willing to take the fall for Two-Face's murders was to keep Dent's image. he didnt want to keep having to put on the suit and continue to fight his never-ending war on crime, and he felt so strongly about Harvey's cause, influence, and power to fight the same war legitimately that he was willing to sacrifice his own image to the public than let the truth of Harvey's downfall destroy everything he'd accomplished. that sounds like the Batman i always loved.

 

[javi1024]

i just realized something- Joker and Maroni both made it clear the streets are aware of Batman's no killing code. When the announce Batman is responsible for 5 murders, I wonder if in the next movie theyll show people acknowleding it or have Batman using that to an advantage.

 

[The Guard]

wow. you thought Harvey and Bruce were friends? Harvey HATES Bruce Wayne. In fact he tell Rachel "anyone but Bruce" in the penthouse scene and basically tell her to "get serious" when she says Bruce is the one person they can trust. As for Batman, Harvey blames him for not saving Rachel and shoots him in the gut. Pretty rough friendship.

Friend. Ally. Gotham. Same difference.

Batman thinks everyone is redeemable?

No. Where in God's name did I say "everyone"?

Is this Batman? The guy from the comics?

Yes. You need to read more comics. You've never seen Batman wonder/wish whether some of criminals he puts away were redeemable? Every seen him try to redeem Harvey, watch Harvey try to redeem himself speifically?

Maybe you need to "relook" the mythos.

As for being responsible, it's kind of hard to make the DEAD accountable? What's he going to do violate the dead body to make it pay? It has NOTHING to do with bailing out Harvey. It's about keeping the city from tearing itself apart and USING Harvey. "Taking responsibility for your actions" "look for the good in everyone" are you talking about something your mom would say to you after you wreck the car or are you talking about Batman? A good beating and a toss in jail is "responsibility" enough for Batman, dude.

Obviously you have no clue what I am talking about because you think I'm talking about punishment, not responsibility. It's very simple. Batman is not the type of person to go "Well, someobody screwed up royally and turned evil, but I'm going to lie to Gotham to bail out their image". No. The man hates criminals. He may well feel sorry for Dent, or hate what happened to Dent, but the moment Dent turns into Two-Face, he becomes Batman's enemy. Batman doesn't "cover" for his enemies, and his reason for doing so in TDK is absurdly illogical.

dont understand what you're saying here

Then "relook" the mythos.

When Batman returns to Gotham he tells Alfred people need a "dramatic example" to shake them from their apathy. That he will become a symbol. Again you miss the ENTIRE point of this movie and the first one.

If you can explain how me thinking Batman shouldn't take the blame for the evil acts of others indicates that I missed the point of two movies, I will give you a dollar. If you can explain to me how Batman lying to Gotham about their now-deceased symbol of hope actually makes things BETTER for Gotham, I will give you a dollar.

Batman's goal isn't to go out and personally beat down every bad guy and put them in jail. His goal from the beginning is to get the city to rise up and deal with the problem themselves.

And LYING to them about the way things are is going to accomplish that? How, upon Dent's death, is telling the city Dent was a good man till the end going to make the city rise up any more than they already did?

Batman himself knows he CANNOT fix the problem. What he is looking for is a symbol for the city.

So he's going to LIE to recreate one? Please. If he's smart, HE would become the symbol Gotham needs to rally around.

It has ZERO to do with 500 top criminals, it's what those criminals represent.

What do they represent? 500 criminals that are going to be locked up and off the streets?

He uses Dent to fulfill his original purpose... to inspire people to do right. I'm sure you also dont get this but this is exactly also why people say "Nolan can end the series with this movie." Basically Batman was looking for a symbol to inspire throughout both movies... now he has one... you can end the franchise here with Dent as the spark and the people rise up.

That's the stupidest thing I've ever heard. Batman lies to Gotham City to inspire them? Inspire them how, via a false symbol who is now pretty much useless since he's dead/evil? This is the problem with the vagueness of Nolan's theme work. What concrete change in Gotham will people believing Dent was a good man accomplish in the future?

because he doesn't care what people think?

Wow. What a great, great reason to take the blame for someone else.

you have now. so you invalidated your own argument.

You argue like a seven year old. It's hilarious

incorrect. this is better for the city. WATCH THE MOVIE AGAIN DUDE

How is LYING about what's actually going on in Gotham better for Gotham? Since when did using lies to cover **** up become the best approach for a city?

 

[Chris Wallace]

i just realized something- Joker and Maroni both made it clear the streets are aware of Batman's no killing code. When the announce Batman is responsible for 5 murders, I wonder if in the next movie theyll show people acknowleding it or have Batman using that to an advantage.

Maroni didn't really touch on it-he only pointed out that Batman wasn't in a position to kill him. And Joker was testing said code throughout their whole chaotic conflict.

 

[Chris Wallace]

Friend. Ally. Gotham. Same difference.



No. Where in God's name did I say "everyone"?



Yes. You need to read more comics. You've never seen Batman wonder/wish whether some of criminals he puts away were redeemable? Every seen him try to redeem Harvey, watch Harvey try to redeem himself speifically?

Maybe you need to "relook" the mythos.



Obviously you have no clue what I am talking about because you think I'm talking about punishment, not responsibility. It's very simple. Batman is not the type of person to go "Well, someobody screwed up royally and turned evil, but I'm going to lie to Gotham to bail out their image". No. The man hates criminals. He may well feel sorry for Dent, or hate what happened to Dent, but the moment Dent turns into Two-Face, he becomes Batman's enemy. Batman doesn't "cover" for his enemies, and his reason for doing so in TDK is absurdly illogical.



Then "relook" the mythos.



If you can explain how me thinking Batman shouldn't take the blame for the evil acts of others indicates that I missed the point of two movies, I will give you a dollar. If you can explain to me how Batman lying to Gotham about their now-deceased symbol of hope actually makes things BETTER for Gotham, I will give you a dollar.



And LYING to them about the way things are is going to accomplish that? How, upon Dent's death, is telling the city Dent was a good man till the end going to make the city rise up any more than they already did?



So he's going to LIE to recreate one? Please. If he's smart, HE would become the symbol Gotham needs to rally around.



What do they represent? 500 criminals that are going to be locked up and off the streets?



That's the stupidest thing I've ever heard. Batman lies to Gotham City to inspire them? Inspire them how, via a false symbol who is now pretty much useless since he's dead/evil? This is the problem with the vagueness of Nolan's theme work. What concrete change in Gotham will people believing Dent was a good man accomplish in the future?



Wow. What a great, great reason to take the blame for someone else.



You argue like a seven year old. It's hilarious



How is LYING about what's actually going on in Gotham better for Gotham? Since when did using lies to cover **** up become the best approach for a city?

Batman needs the people to believe that they can trust in their elected/appointed officials. Remember that the whole point of his mission is to make himself obsolete. he wants "to show the people of Gotham that their city doesn't belong to the criminals & the corrupt." How can they see that if the man that they trusted most-a man who Bruce Wayne AND Batman vouched for-turns out to be a bloodthirsty psychopath? Better that they develop some distrust for a faceless vigilante than in the people who they actually appointed to protect them. Plus, Outing Harvey's actions as Two-Face could invalidate everything he'd accomplished up until that point. It would call into question his mental state, hence his judgment, in every case he'd handled, & whether he should've ever been elected in the first place.

 

[StarkTheProdigy]

Review: 9.5/10
This movie was breath taking. This was a gigantic improvement from the first one. There are minor spoilers in this, so there's the warning, also, this is on the spoiler thread. I've heard nothing but great reviews about this movie, along with the audience remarks. Let me tell you, they aren't saying that just because this is the biggest movie of the year, its because its a masterpiece. Heath Ledger was phenomonal as the Joker, he stole the movie. Christian Bale was also great again, although his "batman" voice was annoying, but I didn't matter because it was just as annoying in Batman Begins. Aaron Eckhart is Harvey Dent/Two Face, enough said. Maggie Gyllenhaal was an improvement was Rachel, but all as I’m saying, don’t get too attached too her like I did, you know what I mean if you have seen this movie. I could go on and on about how everyone did great in this movie, but this is the movie review, so, here are my opinions:
Likes: Story, Villains, Everyone had a decent part in the movie, except one, but it really didn't matter. Fight scenes, two words. BIG IMPROVEMENT. Bat pod rocked.
Dislikes: Heath Ledger won't be able too return as Joker, and let me tell you, NO ONE will ever be as brilliant as he was portraying the Joker. Batman's voice.
So as you can see, I didn't really find many dislikes about this movie. You hear people complain about how Two face dies, but honestly,(because its so dark and creepy) who wants to sit through a 2 1/2 movie looking at his gruesome face. Another complaint is the 2 1/2 hour running time. Well, I’m not going to like, too me, it felt like 2 1/2 hours, but every part of the movie was needed, so there's a reason for the running time. I will say that this is an adult superhero movie, and kids probably 10 and under will think it’s long and possibly scary. Also I HIGHLY recommend you see this movie twice, I did because its complex I missed some things the first time, I saw it a second time, and it was even better. Now the only problem is waiting for the DVD, lol.

 

[Z(+)DIAC]

So I FINALLY got around to seeing TDK yesterday. What can I say, I was absolutely blown away, and it definitely lived up to my expectations, which were definitely high after "Begins". It almost puts "Begins" to shame.

To be honest, and I know I will probably get stoned for this, but I wasn't completely blown away by Ledger's performance as the Joker. Don't misconstrue my words; I thought it was absolutely brilliant what he did with the character. Definitely night and day between his and Nicholson's portrayal. It's just that I wish he would have been fleshed out a bit more...at least some minor glimpse into his origin (besides the referencing of his drunk and abusive father). Either way I'm definitely a Ledger fan after viewing TDK...I had no idea he had such a wide degree of acting, hopefully he'll get some award or recognition for his work for this film.

I have to say though the story was phenomenal. Who would have suspected such a deep, rich, and plot filled story from a comic book based adaption!? Of course I'm not too surprised because of Nolan's talent and attention to detail, but at times it felt far from being some over-the-top comic book production, and more of a hardened drama/mystery/thriller. The twists and turns in the plot are what really hit it home with me...so many different stories and situations happening simultaneously, apart, intertwining, etc. etc. it literally had me trying to figure out everything, but in the end they all worked in unison to be the film to some type of closure. However I definitely didn't see Rachel being killed off, that blew me away (and her for obvious reasons).

Believe it or not, I was extremely surprised by Oldman and Eckhart's performances, especially Eckhart. TDK really gave them the opportunity to flesh out their characters in a way that no other film in the franchise has done before. It was great seeing both gentlemen make the transformations into the characters we know and love them to be from the comic books, and Eckhart's Two-Face did not disappoint one bit. Unfortunately I wish we would have seen him live (I'm convinced he is deceased at the end of the film), but nevertheless I was quite pleased. I do however hope they leave the Joker character alone if they decide to continue the franchise, or at least only reference him in any future films.

All in all I'm beyond pleased with the way TDK turned out, and any hype constructed, brewed, or made throughout the viral campaign and critic reviews only strengthened what a great a film it became and will continue to be known as. A film like this has given me hope again that a comic book to film adaption doesn't always blow chunks...

 

[javi1024]

Maroni didn't really touch on it-he only pointed out that Batman wasn't in a position to kill him. And Joker was testing said code throughout their whole chaotic conflict.

well no, Maroni said something along the lines of "the Joker has no rules, we know you do". and then either he or Joker or both say the only way to stop the Joker is to break his one rule.

 

[Excel]

**** wrong thread. sorry.