The Dark Knight The Dark Knight or Spider Man 2?

[Nightmare]

Nice List^ But we all know the original Captain America Movie will always be the best comic book movie ever.

 

[lixdexia]

No doubt The Dark Knight. All comic book movies now have to step up based off the examples of Iron Man and most of all, The Dark Knight.

iron man doesn't force anyone to step up, it was an extremely formulaic movie that hit every expected beat at every expected moment and added nothing to te genre. but on the original question, that's apples and oranges man. both were really well done, but i'm going to give it to dark knight due to my obvious bias and ledger's joker (best comic villian yet. period.)

 

[marukisu]

Yea for all you guys that dont think Spiderman 2 is that great im on the same boat. In fact i think number 3 is better than it. as far as the argument its unfair to compare the two movie series i agree because they are very different and i think a more accurate comparison would be The spiderman series vs The X-men series of movies. And if that were the case then The Spiderman series would win, but then again one could argue that thats an unfair comparison because Spiderman focuses on a group of superheros and to give each their own screen time can be hard. So having said that you can find unfar comparisons left and right but as it stands

The Dark Knight gets my vote.

Each character got a sufficient amount of screen time and development and the writing and tone of the movie along with the realistic artistic viewpoint makes both Batman Begins and The Dark Knight the best superhero movies ever.

In my opinion Nolan not only reinvinted the Batman movie frnachise but reinvited the genre of superhero movies and what they can and should be.

(And if imay go into a side rant the X-men movies could have been so much better. As ive said in another post i get my information on comicbook character series though their cartoon adaptations. So my knowledge is probably a litle limited than most f you. Having said that The X-men movies would have been a perfect oppurtunity do cover The Sentinels and Apocalypse. but meh...)

 

[Mr. Joker]

For people who have seen both The Dark Knight and Spiderman 2, which movie do you think is better?

Is this a serious question?

 

[Asteroid-Man]

The Dark Knight. Hands down.

 

[Mr. Joker]

SM-2 was a good movie, no doubt, but TDK, Iron Man, Batman Begins, TIH, & Superman: The Movie are the only 10/10 quality superhero movies (at least in my mind). TDK is truly the best though.

 

[luke1234]

I think Spider-man 2 can still be considered a Classic, remember when this movie first came out we were saying the same things that were saying about the DarK knight. level wise TDK is higher and strives for more, But Spidey 2 was perfect for what it was going at. Cant compare the two,...its tooo......hard

 

[Mr. Joker]

Both are classic, but TDK just surpasses it in every way, especially villain wise. I mean, in TDK there's action all the way through and not a single cast member was weak. I'm so glad Katie Holmes was replaced.

 

[luke1234]

Both are classic, but TDK just surpasses it in every way, especially villain wise. I mean, in TDK there's action all the way through and not a single cast member was weak. I'm so glad Katie Holmes was replaced.

i just see one as a crime drama, and the other as a summer superhero blockbuster i guess, Maggie G was awesome, so glad they replaced Katie Holmes

 

[BubbaGump]

I've gotten sick of all the flack Batman has gotten over the years from Spidey fans ("we kick your ass in quality and box office L0L!!!!").

Finally the tides have turned! And the pwning has never felt so good.

 

[SonikDeath]

The Dark Knight, eat that spider-man.

 

[ord0g]

TDK for sure. No question. I loved SM2 but TDK owns it all over.

 

[JokesonU]

You know, I was just watching the Spider Man movies and then Batman Begins. I know they are two totally different kinds of characters and two totally different worlds. But, I was thinking about why I enjoy the Batman films more.

I liked Spider Man. I enjoyed the first two. The third one just fell apart for me. But, I'm going to point out the flaws of why Spider Man's movies don't rate as my favorite all time movies.

Spider-Man:
- It starts off really well, but after he becomes Spider Man, the acceptance and believability of the character is a bit awkward. If Sam Raimi wants to justify the logic behind the organic web shooters as opposed to the comics where Peter made his own web shooters, then how do you explain the fact that he has this really high quality Spider Man suit? Who made that for Peter? If Peter did, how did he manage to do that??

- I still don't like Kristen Dunst as Mary Jane.

- The dialogue can get a bit corny.

- Supporting characters. They utilized Uncle Ben, Aunt May, MJ, The Osbournes fairly well. I would have liked to see J. Jonah Jameson and the daily bugle staff, as well as Jarvis play a more significant role in Peter's life or in Spider Man's existence. That's the touchy thing about the trilogy for me. The way they utilize the side characters. I enjoyed J. Jonah and he was funny as hell. But, he and a few of the characters felt undeveloped in the Spidey universe for me.

Spider Man 2:
- Same problems here again with supporting characters. They do play a bit more here but stil...would have liked to see them fleshed out more and add something to the character.

- Again with the dialogue. Seems a bit too corny and fake at times. Specially those long speeches from Aunt May.

- Don't get me started on that infamous Crowd surfing scene. That killed it for me.

- I definitely enjoyed this better of the first two, no mistake. It still had flaws and rates as an entertaining comic book movie for me. The fun factor was there and that's what's important in the end. It did it's job.

Spider Man 3:
- Adding too many characters and subplots and just didn't know how to juggle the storyline good enough to make it what could have been a great movie.

- Gwen Stacey was wasted. Might as well should have just not used her.

- Eddie Brock was wasted. There is really no use for Venom in this movie.

- I liked Sandman but felt it was resolved too easily as well as not having enough meat in the story. I would have liked to see him more.

- Harry Osbourne, should have balanced Sandman and Hobgoblin as the main villains in my opinion. That would have been good enough for me. I think it wouldn't feel so crammed. Maybe we wouldn't have had felt like it was 'half-assed.'

- Jarvis. All this time, we really don't know nothing about Jarvis and out of no where he plays a wild card in helping Harry see the light. This is what I mean about not having developed supporting characters. This is something that works for Nolan's Baman. Alfred, Fox, and Gordon, as small as their roles are, they still play a major part in the Batman mythos. Why couldn't they do that with Spider Man's supporting characters???

- Emo Peter Parker...nuff said.

One last thing about Spider Man. The more I watch it, the more I get bored of it. I'm also turned off by the CG no matter what. The repeat viewing factor starts to get lower and lower for me. I can barely sit through the whole movie. I won't put it down and say Fantastic Four is better. God forbid! It's still up there in terms of comics to film adaptations. I would say I'd give the whole trilogy a 2.5 rating.

Batman Begins, what can I say. I haven't had a time where I didn't just fast forward to particular scenes in this movie. I love the dialogue. I love how each supporting player has something to add to the growth of Batman. The story is complex and delves deeper into not just what Batman is, but about crime in society. That scene with Falcone and Bruce in the bar was what hit it deep for me. And the fact that he just decides, he can't do nothing, and then just ups and disappears into a world he doesn't know just to understand it? That's just...wow!

It reminds me of a lot of Siddhartha by Herman Hesse. The Prince is bored with the lifestyle in the palace, yet he sees the poverty and decay outside and decides he wants to go to the outside world to experience it and find out how he can do something about it.

And now that you have the Dark Knight out and it touches on a whole new level, which I cannot go into yet until I've actually seen it before saying anything further. This is what gets my juices flowing! Nice, hard, complex, intellectual food for thought! That's why this isn't just any movie to me. This is filmmaking at its best!

The only flaw for me in Batman Begins was Katie Holmes of course. She didn't annoy me as much as Kristen Dunst, but still. She was pretty bland. Not too interesting as a character. I'm looking forward to Maggie's performance.

 

[DarkKnight245]

the Dark Knight.

 

[ultimatefan]

They´re apples and oranges. Spidey 2 is the smoothest, creamiest, sweetest piece of chocolate cake. TDK is the strongest, most lava hot, mind-spinning cup of black coffee.

 

[Mr. Joker]

TDK is both of those combined to make your mouth water.

 

[Caped Crusader]

1. The Dark Knight
2. Batman Begins

everything else

 

[Mr. Joker]

I'd say the top three superhero movies are:

1. The Dark Knight
2. Batman Begins
3. The Incredible Hulk

Nuff said.

 

[dman7]

^What about Iron Man? IMO Iron Man should be No. 3 on that list but then again your a HULK fan so....

 

[javi1024]

1. The Dark Knight
2. Batman Begins

everything else

thats exactly how my list start too:
1. The Dark Knight
2. Batman Begins
3. X-men 2 & Spider-Man 2
5. Iron Man

 

[javi1024]

You know, I was just watching the Spider Man movies and then Batman Begins. I know they are two totally different kinds of characters and two totally different worlds. But, I was thinking about why I enjoy the Batman films more.

I liked Spider Man. I enjoyed the first two. The third one just fell apart for me. But, I'm going to point out the flaws of why Spider Man's movies don't rate as my favorite all time movies.

Spider-Man:
- It starts off really well, but after he becomes Spider Man, the acceptance and believability of the character is a bit awkward. If Sam Raimi wants to justify the logic behind the organic web shooters as opposed to the comics where Peter made his own web shooters, then how do you explain the fact that he has this really high quality Spider Man suit? Who made that for Peter? If Peter did, how did he manage to do that??

- I still don't like Kristen Dunst as Mary Jane.

- The dialogue can get a bit corny.

- Supporting characters. They utilized Uncle Ben, Aunt May, MJ, The Osbournes fairly well. I would have liked to see J. Jonah Jameson and the daily bugle staff, as well as Jarvis play a more significant role in Peter's life or in Spider Man's existence. That's the touchy thing about the trilogy for me. The way they utilize the side characters. I enjoyed J. Jonah and he was funny as hell. But, he and a few of the characters felt undeveloped in the Spidey universe for me.

Spider Man 2:
- Same problems here again with supporting characters. They do play a bit more here but stil...would have liked to see them fleshed out more and add something to the character.

- Again with the dialogue. Seems a bit too corny and fake at times. Specially those long speeches from Aunt May.

- Don't get me started on that infamous Crowd surfing scene. That killed it for me.

- I definitely enjoyed this better of the first two, no mistake. It still had flaws and rates as an entertaining comic book movie for me. The fun factor was there and that's what's important in the end. It did it's job.

Spider Man 3:
- Adding too many characters and subplots and just didn't know how to juggle the storyline good enough to make it what could have been a great movie.

- Gwen Stacey was wasted. Might as well should have just not used her.

- Eddie Brock was wasted. There is really no use for Venom in this movie.

- I liked Sandman but felt it was resolved too easily as well as not having enough meat in the story. I would have liked to see him more.

- Harry Osbourne, should have balanced Sandman and Hobgoblin as the main villains in my opinion. That would have been good enough for me. I think it wouldn't feel so crammed. Maybe we wouldn't have had felt like it was 'half-assed.'

- Jarvis. All this time, we really don't know nothing about Jarvis and out of no where he plays a wild card in helping Harry see the light. This is what I mean about not having developed supporting characters. This is something that works for Nolan's Baman. Alfred, Fox, and Gordon, as small as their roles are, they still play a major part in the Batman mythos. Why couldn't they do that with Spider Man's supporting characters???

- Emo Peter Parker...nuff said.

One last thing about Spider Man. The more I watch it, the more I get bored of it. I'm also turned off by the CG no matter what. The repeat viewing factor starts to get lower and lower for me. I can barely sit through the whole movie. I won't put it down and say Fantastic Four is better. God forbid! It's still up there in terms of comics to film adaptations. I would say I'd give the whole trilogy a 2.5 rating.

i was getting confused every time you said Jarvis. You mean "Bernerd". Jarvis is Tony Stark's Butler.

 

[hitmanyr2k]

The Spider-man and Batman films will most likely end up taking the same road in my eyes. Neither the first Spider-man or Batman Begins are in my Top 10 of comic films.

I liked Spider-man (didn't love it) and found the origin handled well but when he becomes Spider-man the movie went downhill. It became scatterbrained with a mediocre villain (Dafoe was the perfect Norman Osborn but horrible as the Goblin). The action scenes were pedestrian, static and lacked any kind of movement. Every single battle seemed to stay in one spot instead of raging out into the city somewhere. The whole movie had a cheap feel to it and I suspect it was because it wasn't filmed in scope. Peter Parker was handled well enough and I did like the way it ended but overall the movie was very lacking.


Spider-man 2 came along and raised the bar on all fronts and became my solid #2 comic movie (after The Crow). Raimi piled everything he could onto Peter Parker and I could identify with the character because I've gone through some of the same **** in my life...juggling jobs to put myself through college, having trouble paying the bills, and trying to keep my grades up all at the same time. Good thing I didn't have to be some hero or I would've snapped lol. And even while Parker was getting piled on the film sprinkled little comedy bits in there to keep it from getting bogged down in Peter's misery. The action raised the bar and the battles between Spider-man and Ock still haven't been topped in a comic film as far as I'm concerned.

Edit: Spider-man 3? Yeah, hated it from the get go when I heard Venom was gonna be in it.



Everything I said of Spider-man basically can be said of Batman Begins. Easily the most overrated comic movie I've ever seen. It handled the origin of Bruce Wayne well enough but went downhill from there. The dialogue is preachy and vomit inducing after awhile. It beats you over the head with the "fear" theme. I lost count how many times I heard that word. Christian Bale made a perfect Bruce Wayne but his Batman leaves a lot to be desired. The supporting characters/villains are jokes. Gordon is basically a nobody and there for comic relief spouting the occasional one liner. Ras may as well be reading his lines from a fortune cookie. Scarecrow, yeah, pretty much does nothing and ends up fodder for Rachel (who is a worthless character btw). The action...the less said the better. It was obvious Nolan had no idea what he was doing in that aspect. Overall the film was just plain mediocre and that dumb third act didn't help matters. Nowhere near deserving the praise it got (and still gets).


I'm waiting for the crowds to die down and I'm seeing TDK tomorrow or Monday. All the hype has fallen on deaf ears because the same things people are saying about TDK now are what they said about Batman Begins a few years ago. I'm hoping it follows the same road as Spider-man 2 as far as upping the ante goes. I have no doubt the villain aspect is in good hands with Heath Ledger. However, if Nolan is sticking with the same preachy dialogue and crap editing it's most likely going to go in the same boat as Batman Begins.

 

[Dangerous]

I'm more of a Spidey fan but think the Spidey films were really corny and Teen orientated.

BB was way better.

 

[CaptainAmerica]

The Dark Knight. Spider-Man 2 is good, but it's been surpassed.

 

[Cmill216]

I am a huge supporter of Spider-Man 2, and thought it was by far the most complete superhero film ever made.....until I saw The Dark Knight.

SM2 is still very much one of the essential comic book films, but The Dark Knight is on an entirely different level.