The Debates Thread

[Thundercrack85]

Invite the Ku Klux Klan?

 

[Legendver2]

It's CNN. I'm not saying it isn't somewhat indicative, but don't overestimate it.

I want to see Fox News' poll. If it's even close, then you know Hillary won by quite a margin.

I went to the Roosh forums to see what the alt-right opinions were, and to my surprised, the general consensus is that Trump mildly won, and some even begrudgingly admit that Hillary carried herself well. This is literally the first time I've heard anything remotely positive about Hillary from that place. Maybe there's a chance afterall...

If this holds and polls show Trump start to fall...I'm scared about what he will be like in round 2 of these debates if he feels he has nothing to lose.

I would think it would be even easier to bait him. The question is, will he actually prepare this time? You can see plain as day the difference between being overly-prepared and just winging it.

 

[Sithborg]

He is going to change the subject to Benghazi and her e-mails. We will see if the moderators hold him to the topic.

As for being prepared, I don't think any preparation will help. We all saw Trump at the beginning, trying to stay on message. And we all saw him take the bait. He is too thin skinned not to take the bait, and Clinton will just lead him off the cliff.

 

[Iceman]

Who won? I just woke up.

 

[Sithborg]

Who won? I just woke up.

While not a flawless victory, Clinton.

 

[Iceman]

While not a flawless victory, Clinton.

Thanks. Do you think independents/undecideds would say that too?

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Thanks. Do you think independents/undecideds would say that too?

They'd better.

 

[Marvolo]

I went to the Roosh forums to see what the alt-right opinions were, and to my surprised, the general consensus is that Trump mildly won, and some even begrudgingly admit that Hillary carried herself well. This is literally the first time I've heard anything remotely positive about Hillary from that place. Maybe there's a chance afterall...

I would think it would be even easier to bait him. The question is, will he actually prepare this time? You can see plain as day the difference between being overly-prepared and just winging it.

No amount of preparation can change his personality. He's 70 years old and well beyond changing his personality and that personality and the core foundation of his character are his biggest problems. (Not to mention his obvious cluelessness about a lot of things that he wont be able to understand from a bit of studying.) I doubt he'll ever be able to reign in his thin skin and to resist the urge to take the bait. Everything with him is approached like a twitter war or a youtube comments discussion. Flame, jabber, flame, yell, make bizarre claim based on dubious anecdotal evidence, brag, throw out a random poorly vieled misogynist or racist comment, and walk away thinking you won. Thats Trump in a nutshell.

 

[Marvolo]

Thanks. Do you think independents/undecideds would say that too?

Unless they are harboring some unhealthy burning grudge against Hillary, yeah, I think most sensible people would say she won. Early polls (not always reliable) indicate she won, Vegas improved Hillary's chances after the debate, and news networks seem to agree Trump tanked.

 

[Iceman]

Unless they are harboring some unhealthy burning grudge against Hillary, yeah, I think most sensible people would say she won. Early polls (not always reliable) indicate she won, Vegas improved Hillary's chances after the debate, and news networks seem to agree Trump tanked.

Good, look forward to watching them tomorrow.

 

[E.NormusJohnson]

Eh. Trump was bad but Hilary was still her smug/awful self. There were no winners out of this debate.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

I do love how the best arguments for Trump supporters seem to be that:

1. I didn't think he was that bad.

2. Hillary is a horrible person. Thus her debate performance doesn't count.

3. TRUMP!!!!

 

[Raiden]

No amount of preparation can change his personality. He's 70 years old and well beyond changing his personality and that personality and the core foundation of his character are his biggest problems. (Not to mention his obvious cluelessness about a lot of things that he wont be able to understand from a bit of studying.) I doubt he'll ever be able to reign in his thin skin and to resist the urge to take the bait. Everything with him is approached like a twitter war or a youtube comments discussion. Flame, jabber, flame, yell, make bizarre claim based on dubious anecdotal evidence, brag, throw out a random poorly vieled misogynist or racist comment, and walk away thinking you won. Thats Trump in a nutshell.

Another reason Trump won't change is because ignoring facts and speaking before he thinks has gotten him the GOP nomination, and with just a month to go he's not going to change his game plan. He will live and die by the way that carried him thus far.

 

[Raiden]

Eh. Trump was bad but Hilary was still her smug/awful self. There were no winners out of this debate.

So Hillary smiled during the debate and she's perceived as smug? If she frowns then she must be insecure and lacking confidence. No matter what she does, people will use it against her.

 

[Iceman]

Eh. Trump was bad but Hilary was still her smug/awful self. There were no winners out of this debate.

She is who she is so of course she's going to be her awful self. How did she do in the debates though?

 

[Orba]

Democrats were praising Obama for pulling out of Iraq and now they are blaming Bush lololol.

The withdrawal agreement was signed by Bush, Obama would have liked to have slowed the withdrawal but Iraq wouldn't let them. If the US didn't withdraw as agreed then Iraq would have ended the agreement which gave the US jurisdiction over the prosecution of off-duty US troops that committed crimes while in Iraq.

In Donald's worldview, men cheat because women don't do their jobs properly in satisfying their husbands.

Yup, its not the Husband's fault he is a cheating scumbag, its the Wife's for not being good enough.

 

[Orba]

What would you expect to find in the candidates' tax returns - under the table weapons deals and the like....? I've never studied finance, so aside from the releases being a tradition for the candidates, I didn't see why he didn't just put them out.

I'll tip my hat to agreeing to release his returns when Hillary releases her deleted emails. Still steamed they don't have Gary up there, but whatever.

As has been said, they would show how much taxes he pays, how much he gives to charity (which I think by now has been established as zero), possibly debts.

There is also another reason suggestion on one of the reasons he might be hiding them which was spotted by Mark Cuban.
http://www.businessinsider.co.id/mark-cuban-donald-trump-tax-returns-2016-8/

Cuban, the owner of the NBA’s Dallas Mavericks and star of ABC’s “Shark Tank,” used a 2013 deposition from Trump — uploaded by The Washington Post as a part of their “Trump Revealed” project — to make his point.

In that deposition, Trump explained that he sets up single-use subchapter S corporations to develop projects, after being asked about the development of Trump properties in Las Vegas and Chicago. He said he does not use the Trump Organization for those types of projects.

As Cuban pointed out, with a subchapter S corporation, “the entire financial performance of his company becomes part of his tax return.”

According to the Internal Revenue Service, S corporation shareholders must “report the flow-through of income and losses on their personal tax returns and are assessed tax at their individual income tax rates.” And S corporations are responsible “for tax on certain built-in gains and passive income at the entity level.”

“His personal tax returns would show the financial performance of his development projects,” Cuban wrote. “Not good given how much he gets sued.”

“It may also explain why reducing pass-through taxes is important to him,” he continued. “I say ‘may’ because taxes are only paid if he makes a profit.”

So because he uses S Corporations his tax returns would show far more about his business success (and failures) than normal. Probably more than he would like some of his investors to know.

 

[chamber-music]

What does being audited have to do with releasing his tax returns?

The IRS have already said he can release his tax returns. At this point he isn't simply because he doesn't want to. The auditing is just an excuse he has been using.

 

[Charlatan]

The withdrawal agreement was signed by Bush, Obama would have liked to have slowed the withdrawal but Iraq wouldn't let them. If the US didn't withdraw as agreed then Iraq would have ended the agreement which gave the US jurisdiction over the prosecution of off-duty US troops that committed crimes while in Iraq.



Yup, its not the Husband's fault he is a cheating scumbag, its the Wife's for not being good enough.

The SOFA agreement that Bush signed was to protect the troops legally while they were there and until they left. if they had stayed past it then our soldiers would be subject to Iraqi law. And most likely they would have never signed the long term oil contracts. As for the "oil taking" that is an international war crime. But Trump is ignorant or thinks that international law doesn't apply to us. I wished she had called him out more on that. He acts as though they haven't suffered enough at our hand. It's as if he thinks we did them a huge favor and owes us all their oil. Also she should have asked him how we were supposed to "take it". Were we supposed to sit on the oil fields for the next 20 or 30 yrs until they run out?

 

[DeadPresident]

Anyone with half a brain would be able to see ow inept Trymp showed himself to be at the debate. He almost never actually answered the question and continually diverged into some diatribe that gave no information on his policies but just indicated how much of a sociopath he actually is. The moderator was incredibly weak on that, he just allowed Trunp to non-sensically ramble.

 

[Orba]

Trump: My mic was 'defective'

Republican nominee Donald J. Trump complained in the spin room that his debate mic wasn't working right, according to a video posted by a CBS journalist.

"They gave me a defective mic!" he told reporters. " wonder, was that on purpose?"

It wasn't the first time Trump suggested he was given a faulty microphone. At a January rally in Pensacola, Florida, he abruptly stopped mid-speech and said, "And by the way, I don't like this mic." He went on to call whoever installed it a "son of a b-----", and said, "George, don't pay him! I believe in paying, but when someone does a bad job, like this stupid mic, you shouldn't pay the bill."

In the debate, Clinton accused Trump of not paying several workers for their services. Trump did not dispute that, saying, "Maybe he didn't do a good job and I was unsatisfied with his work."

Trump has also said if he loses the election it's because the system is "rigged" against him.

Clearly there was something wrong with the mic, the words sounded fine in Donald's head, but all the audience heard was incoherent ramblings.

 

[samsnee]

The IRS have already said he can release his tax returns. At this point he isn't simply because he doesn't want to. The auditing is just an excuse he has been using.

But but but emails!

It's disgusting the audience cheered that remark. Way to deflect Donald.

 

[samsnee]

Donald congratulates himself for not being a complete jerk.

http://nymag.com/daily/intelligence...imself-for-not-bringing-up-bills-affairs.html

And his biggest supporters are Rudy and Newt, whose own marriages are a model of success.

 

[Orba]

Giuliani: I'd skip next debates if I were Trump

Donald Trump should skip the next two debates unless he gets special guarantees from the moderators, former New York mayor and top Trump adviser Rudy Giuliani told reporters after the debate.

Lester Holt, the NBC News anchor who moderated the debate, should be “ashamed of himself,” Giuliani said after the debate. He said Holt was wrong to attempt to fact-check Trump on the constitutionality of stop-and-frisk and his claimed opposition to the Iraq War.

“If I were Donald Trump I wouldn’t participate in another debate unless I was promised that the journalist would act like a journalist and not an incorrect, ignorant fact checker,” Giuliani said. “The moderator would have to promise that there would be a moderator and not a fact checker and in two particular cases an enormously ignorant, completely misinformed fact checker.”

“If you wonder why Donald Trump thinks that the press is a left-wing basically oriented group, Lester Holt proved it tonight," he added.

He later clarified about future debates: “I didn’t say what I’m advising him, I said what I would do.”

Trump himself had no problem with Holt's performance. The moderator did a "fine" job, Trump said.

But Giuliani was especially piqued by Holt’s claim that “stop and frisk was ruled unconstitutional in New York.”

“No, you're wrong. It went before a judge who was a very-against-police judge,” Trump responded. “It was taken away from her and our mayor, our new mayor, refused to go forward with the case. They would have won an appeal.”

“Stop and frisk is completely constitutional and the American people have been given the false impression that it isn’t,” Giuliani said.

A federal district court judge ruled in 2013 that New York City’s stop-and-frisk policy violated the Constitution. Mayor Bill de Blasio, who ran on a platform opposing stop-and-frisk, ended the policy soon after taking office.

 

[Marvolo]

Oh **** off, Giuliani, you senile bastard. Lester Holt went easy on Trump. Even if Trump wasnt such a racist misogynistic *****e nozzle Id hate him for just being a whiny little *****. Why anyone thinks he would be tough on anything is beyond me.