The End of the World

[Carcharodon]

So, in the next few million years, what can we expect from evolution?

...humans? I suppose that would depend on radical environmental shifts. The events would have to be pretty major, as humans have the ability to side-step natural selection via technology. It would need to be a situation in which certain genetic traits are selected for by nature.

The alternative, of course, is human-driven evolution via artificial selection. With no natural selective pressures (again, humans can cheat natural selection to a large degree), that is really the only way we could evolve. Except, of course, for sexual selection.

Meh, I really don't know. We may see humans diverge on some evolutionary path into two new species. The topic of human evolution is far more complex than that of any other organism.

 

[Spider-Kid]

I wonder how the world will die.

 

[Arkady Rossovich]

Humans will not live forever,but their genetics makes it really easy for them to change to suit their enviroment.When humans left Africa,they moved into Europe.They got white skin and blonde hair,when they went east..some stoped in India,others went to China and developed other features.Others continued on into the Americas.

 

[The Joker_1000]

...humans? I suppose that would depend on radical environmental shifts. The events would have to be pretty major, as humans have the ability to side-step natural selection via technology. It would need to be a situation in which certain genetic traits are selected for by nature.

The alternative, of course, is human-driven evolution via artificial selection. With no natural selective pressures (again, humans can cheat natural selection to a large degree), that is really the only way we could evolve. Except, of course, for sexual selection.

Meh, I really don't know. We may see humans diverge on some evolutionary path into two new species. The topic of human evolution is far more complex than that of any other organism.

I'd really like to see what humans will become in the next few million years. Hopefully, we'll be able to live longer, we'll be stronger, & of course, smarter. I guess it somewhat depends on how many more people are born healthy & all that.

 

[Carcharodon]

I'd really like to see what humans will become in the next few million years. Hopefully, we'll be able to live longer, we'll be stronger, & of course, smarter. I guess it somewhat depends on how many more people are born healthy & all that.

Actually, I wouldn't be surprised if we got weaker physically. There isn't a huge selective pressure to be very strong. Weaklings can get by just as well with things as they are.

 

[The Joker_1000]

Humans will not live forever,but their genetics makes it really easy for them to change to suit their enviroment.When humans left Africa,they moved into Europe.They got white skin and blonde hair,when they went east..some stoped in India,others went to China and developed other features.Others continued on into the Americas.

Lol, where did you get that garbage?

 

[The Joker_1000]

Actually, I wouldn't be surprised if we got weaker physically. There isn't a huge selective pressure to be very strong. Weaklings can get by just as well with things as they are.

I'm hoping that we get stronger physically. It's possible that some of us will & others will get weaker. The more healthy people on the planet, the better. At least that's how I feel.

 

[Why Are You Crouching Spock?]

This thread reminds me of this tune

[YT]ZPd2KqRRLoE[/YT]

 

[Arkady Rossovich]

Lol, where did you get that garbage?

It's true,that is scientific fact.If it was not true,we would all look the same..but we do not.We all look different.

 

[primemover]

I'd really like to see what humans will become in the next few million years. Hopefully, we'll be able to live longer, we'll be stronger, & of course, smarter. I guess it somewhat depends on how many more people are born healthy & all that.

There really isn't any selection pressure to have the chance to improve, since most variants of the genome reproduce due to that lack of pressure. We will live longer for sure, as over time medical science improves, but we won't change unless there is a radical change to our environment. Then we will suffer until stability is again achieved, and any improvements will be based on what new environ predicates.

Actually, I wouldn't be surprised if we got weaker physically. There isn't a huge selective pressure to be very strong. Weaklings can get by just as well with things as they are.

That will not change the gene pool though since the strong reproduce as much as the weak.

 

[nomad33]

The Mayans knew about Earth's precession and encoded it into their calendar of five great ages with total of about one precession cycle.
Winter Solstice of 2,012AD (12/21/12) is the time when the Sun appears from Earth to rise through Galactic Center. They knew this due to their knowledge of precession. By the way, that date is only the end of a great age not the end of time nor of the world. It's only the time of the beginning of another great cycle.
Giants existed on Earth. Real skeletons found by real people have been placed on record only to be hidden by "scientists" who do not follow the scientific principle of following the evidence wherever it may lead.

The Anunnaki devised a galactic navigation system which has been passed on to mankind, but it's been so ignored, denied and distorted as to have been virtually thrown in the trash heap.

Take a look at the site from which the Egyptian art came and explore a little.
Look at the depth of antiquity from which our constellations came. Look at the depth of knowledge of the most ancient of civilizations. Read Sitchin's work. Note that our nautical mile comes from one minute of circumference of the Earth.

Dig a little and find the truth.

 

[primemover]

The Mayans knew about Earth's precession and encoded it into their calendar of five great ages with total of about one precession cycle.
Winter Solstice of 2,012AD (12/21/12) is the time when the Sun appears from Earth to rise through Galactic Center. They knew this due to their knowledge of precession. By the way, that date is only the end of a great age not the end of time nor of the world. It's only the time of the beginning of another great cycle.
Giants existed on Earth. Real skeletons found by real people have been placed on record only to be hidden by "scientists" who do not follow the scientific principle of following the evidence wherever it may lead.

The Anunnaki devised a galactic navigation system which has been passed on to mankind, but it's been so ignored, denied and distorted as to have been virtually thrown in the trash heap.

Take a look at the site from which the Egyptian art came and explore a little.
Look at the depth of antiquity from which our constellations came. Look at the depth of knowledge of the most ancient of civilizations. Read Sitchin's work. Note that our nautical mile comes from one minute of circumference of the Earth.

Dig a little and find the truth.

Wasn't this a Final Fantasy plot?

 

[Masamune]

good one^

lol

 

[The Apocalypse]

The Mayans knew about Earth's precession and encoded it into their calendar of five great ages with total of about one precession cycle.
Winter Solstice of 2,012AD (12/21/12) is the time when the Sun appears from Earth to rise through Galactic Center. They knew this due to their knowledge of precession. By the way, that date is only the end of a great age not the end of time nor of the world. It's only the time of the beginning of another great cycle.
Giants existed on Earth. Real skeletons found by real people have been placed on record only to be hidden by "scientists" who do not follow the scientific principle of following the evidence wherever it may lead.

The Anunnaki devised a galactic navigation system which has been passed on to mankind, but it's been so ignored, denied and distorted as to have been virtually thrown in the trash heap.

Take a look at the site from which the Egyptian art came and explore a little.
Look at the depth of antiquity from which our constellations came. Look at the depth of knowledge of the most ancient of civilizations. Read Sitchin's work. Note that our nautical mile comes from one minute of circumference of the Earth.

Dig a little and find the truth.

So they'll be an eclipse and we'll all get some super powers?

 

[The Spectre]

The Mayans knew about Earth's precession and encoded it into their calendar of five great ages with total of about one precession cycle.
Winter Solstice of 2,012AD (12/21/12) is the time when the Sun appears from Earth to rise through Galactic Center. They knew this due to their knowledge of precession. By the way, that date is only the end of a great age not the end of time nor of the world. It's only the time of the beginning of another great cycle.
Giants existed on Earth. Real skeletons found by real people have been placed on record only to be hidden by "scientists" who do not follow the scientific principle of following the evidence wherever it may lead.

The Anunnaki devised a galactic navigation system which has been passed on to mankind, but it's been so ignored, denied and distorted as to have been virtually thrown in the trash heap.

Take a look at the site from which the Egyptian art came and explore a little.
Look at the depth of antiquity from which our constellations came. Look at the depth of knowledge of the most ancient of civilizations. Read Sitchin's work. Note that our nautical mile comes from one minute of circumference of the Earth.

Dig a little and find the truth.

It has been said that truth comes in three phases. First it is ridiculed, then it is fought ferociously and finally it is proclaimed to be "self-evident."

Hang in there!

 

[Carcharodon]

That will not change the gene pool though since the strong reproduce as much as the weak.

That's probably true, especially in the case of humans...we almost completely side-step both sexually and naturally selective pressures.

Isn't it an interesting trend within the primates, though, that as relative brain-size increases, proportionate relative strength decreases?

 

[nomad33]

Isn't it an interesting trend within the primates, though, that as relative brain-size increases, proportionate relative strength decreases?

Intelligence improves propagation with other than brute force.
Use of intelligence rather than brute force leads to safer and more productive ways to do things. Use of less brute force leads to less brute strength. There are reasons behind what at first blush seems somewhat anachronistic.

 

[Carcharodon]

Intelligence improves propagation with other than brute force.
Use of intelligence rather than brute force leads to safer and more productive ways to do things. Use of less brute force leads to less brute strength. There are reasons behind what at first blush seems somewhat anachronistic.

Right, but what I'm getting at is: are we at some evolutionary dead end? Of course we're not the, "pinnacle," of evolution by a long shot, and we can become extinct quite easily. Still, what are the chances of us experiencing further speciation given our species' ability to sidestep natural selection?

That's why I posed the intelligence vs. strength question. Are we at a point of intelligence such that the correlation no longer applies? If so, it seems to me that our chances of further speciation/evolution are fairly slim. If not, and if the collective intelligence of the species somehow increases over time in response to whatever selective pressures, would the correlation continue (i.e., would we collectively become physically weaker)?

I'm really trying to figure this out, lol. It's an incredibly complex issue. We really don't have any further selective pressures anyway. It's *almost* safe to say we're at a dead-end in evolutionary terms...

 

[nomad33]

It has been said that truth comes in three phases. First it is ridiculed, then it is fought ferociously and finally it is proclaimed to be "self-evident."

Hang in there!

Right. I have on the back of one of my three ring binders:
"All truth passes through three stages;
first it is ridiculed;
next, it is violently attacked;
finally, it is held to be self-evident."
Schopenhauer

It's sometimes hard to "Hang in there" when there are so many who deny, denigrate, and make inane comments without examining the evidence, but I've come to accept it as part of the challenge for researchers and truth-seekers. Enlightenment only comes to those who seek it with open mind. Most are not open minded regardless of how much they proclaim to be, and fewer yet take the time or make the time to seek for things not consistent with "conventional knowledge" since it automatically separates one from the "establishment" which is akin to placing a sign on the back "kick me". Too bad. We all have much to learn, and we are a long way from reality with what we think we know. Flippant sarcastic expression often reveals immaturity and shallow thought process. My money is on Zecharia Sitchin, Lloyd Pye, Chris Dunn, Robert Schock, and others who support their ideas with facts, evidence, and logic as well as ample bibliography for following their paths...paths which often intertwine and lead to inescapable self-evident truth for those willing to follow the evidence wherever it may lead.
Off soapbox.

 

[nomad33]

I'm really trying to figure this out, lol. It's an incredibly complex issue. We really don't have any further selective pressures anyway. It's *almost* safe to say we're at a dead-end in evolutionary terms...

Evolution alone is a dead-end.
Mankind, domesticated plants, and domesticated animals all are products of "intelligent intervention". All come from "building blocks" which obviously could not come from "nothing". The only thing which works for me is: first, there was creation of the basic building blocks; then, there is evidence of evolution; but, then, there are "sudden" changes which occurred inconsistently with nature since nature tends to "reject" such changes. Those changes are in the areas of speech, intelligence, and manual dexterity for humans and in the areas of "helpful to mankind" domestication of plants and animals.
No other explanation approaches the harmony, corroborative ancient textual explanations, nor corroborative modern understanding of facts about DNA, space surrounding us, and a whole host of other topics.

 

[Sam Fisher]

The world will end when all the posters on the Hype change their names.

 

[primemover]

Isn't it an interesting trend within the primates, though, that as relative brain-size increases, proportionate relative strength decreases?

That's economy, as big brains like ours are very energy hungry(they take up like 20% of the oxygen intake), something has to go, so out goes those energy hogging muscles

 

[primemover]

Intelligence improves propagation with other than brute force.
Use of intelligence rather than brute force leads to safer and more productive ways to do things. Use of less brute force leads to less brute strength. There are reasons behind what at first blush seems somewhat anachronistic.

Not quite, not using brawn doesn't make brawn go away, it went away to make room something else more useful, and for us it was for the most part, bigger brains with more complicated software.

 

[primemover]

Right, but what I'm getting at is: are we at some evolutionary dead end? Of course we're not the, "pinnacle," of evolution by a long shot, and we can become extinct quite easily.

This is a misnomer, there really isn't any pinnacle, any valleys or any real dead ends, there just is what there is. Evolution doesn't have any aims, any direction or any will, every organism on this planet is like it is for the very best of reasons, it survives well enough to make more of itself.

If humans are anything, we are definitely one of the most versatile and dominant large form of life out there, and have by far the biggest impact on everything, but any progress has stagnated due to us being so dominant, even the weak are replicating!

That's why I posed the intelligence vs. strength question. Are we at a point of intelligence such that the correlation no longer applies? If so, it seems to me that our chances of further speciation/evolution are fairly slim. If not, and if the collective intelligence of the species somehow increases over time in response to whatever selective pressures, would the correlation continue (i.e., would we collectively become physically weaker)?

While not maybe physically weaker, something would have to give to gain further brain mass and function, and most likely it would be physical prowess, as more intellect would result in better ways and tools in manipulating our environment, negating brute force as a factor.

 

[primemover]

Right. I have on the back of one of my three ring binders:
"All truth passes through three stages;
first it is ridiculed;
next, it is violently attacked;
finally, it is held to be self-evident."
Schopenhauer

It's sometimes hard to "Hang in there" when there are so many who deny, denigrate, and make inane comments without examining the evidence, but I've come to accept it as part of the challenge for researchers and truth-seekers. Enlightenment only comes to those who seek it with open mind. Most are not open minded regardless of how much they proclaim to be, and fewer yet take the time or make the time to seek for things not consistent with "conventional knowledge" since it automatically separates one from the "establishment" which is akin to placing a sign on the back "kick me". Too bad. We all have much to learn, and we are a long way from reality with what we think we know. Flippant sarcastic expression often reveals immaturity and shallow thought process. My money is on Zecharia Sitchin, Lloyd Pye, Chris Dunn, Robert Schock, and others who support their ideas with facts, evidence, and logic as well as ample bibliography for following their paths...paths which often intertwine and lead to inescapable self-evident truth for those willing to follow the evidence wherever it may lead.
Off soapbox.

Just because you have a nice quote that backs up your efforts, doesn't mean what you say automatically has merit. Throughout history there have been many more people that have been wrong than people that have been right.