The Final Events of Bible Prophecy, and why it's important .....to you.

[Man-Thing]

Let me be as clear as I can, because I don't want to be misunderstood.

God will forgive every sin, no matter how large or small, if a person repents.

The purpose of obedience is not about trying to earn salvation, because that's been given as a full gift that simply needs to be accepted.

The purpose of obedience, as I understand it, is that it's part of the renewal process we go through to become the creatures that God originally intended us to become. However, one can't say that they've really accepted the gift of Christ if they're being deliberately disobedient.

So will God forgive every sin except those that are commited while being deliberately disobedient?

 

[War Lord]

So will God forgive every sin except those that are commited while being deliberately disobedient?

No. Every sin is forgiveable, but as I read from scripture and understand it, that forgiveness comes after repentence.

If there's no repentence, than forgiveness cannot be given. It should be clear from Christ's answer to Peter that the amount of times one should forgive is unlimited, but Christ also linked that forgiveness to the offender repenting.

 

[Man-Thing]

No. Every sin is forgiveable, but as I read from scripture and understand it, that forgiveness comes after repentence.

If there's no repentence, than forgiveness cannot be given. It should be clear from Christ's answer to Peter that the amount of times one should forgive is unlimited, but Christ also linked that forgiveness to the offender repenting.

But you are (or seem to be) equating salvation as being grace through faith plus __________. According to what you say with there must be repentance before forgiveness can occur, then any unrepented sin at death would result in damnation. Therefore it's not solely grace through faith.

 

[War Lord]

But you are (or seem to be) equating salvation as being grace through faith plus __________. According to what you say with there must be repentance before forgiveness can occur, then any unrepented sin at death would result in damnation. Therefore it's not solely grace through faith.

It's a tricky issue, because with your position, you'd have to basically make the arguement that, as Christians, we don't need to be concerned about how our behaviours affect the non-Christian community.

 

[Man-Thing]

It's a tricky issue, because with your position, you'd have to basically make the arguement that, as Christians, we don't need to be concerned about how our behaviours affect the non-Christian community.

No, with my position, people are allowed to screw up, because we have two natures in constant conflict with one another. The process of the old nature being done away with is called santification, which is something that does happen in every regenerated person- sometimes in miniscule details.

 

[War Lord]

No, with my position, people are allowed to screw up, because we have two natures in constant conflict with one another. The process of the old nature being done away with is called santification, which is something that does happen in every regenerated person- sometimes in miniscule details.

I agree with you. I'm not talking about the times when our lower natures get the best of us and lead us astray.

I'm talking about sins that are quite deliberate when we don't care about receiving the forgiveness of God. It's during those moments that forgiveness cannot be given, because the person will not repent. When the person has finally repented, no matter the sin, God forgives freely.

It's not about God holding back His forgiveness, but there isn't any forgiveness to give without repentence.

 

[War Lord]

Here's the Adventist position on forgiveness.

http://www.adventistbiblicalresearch.org/documents/Dynamics of Salvation.htm

 

[Man-Thing]

Jointy, I like this...

4. Grace and faith. We do not live the Christian life in a manner other than the way in which we first accepted salvation. Having accepted salvation through faith, we do not now trust in human accomplishment (Gal. 3:1-5). At every point in the new life, from its beginning to its ultimate glorification, we depend entirely on grace received through faith. "As therefore you received Christ Jesus the Lord, so live in him" (Col. 2:6; Steps to Christ, p. 69). By the Holy Spirit, God works in us "both to will and to do of his good pleasure" (Phil. 2:13, KJV). It is the divine initiative which sustains our life in Christ, even as it brought into being (The SDA Bible Commentary, Ellen G. White Comments, vol. 6, p. 1071).
We are to nurture faith. Growth is not automatic; obedience is not mechanical. God wills to re-create us in His image, but we must be willing to foster our relation with Him (John 15:1-8). We are to feed on His Word, commune with Him in prayer, and tell what He has done for us (2 Tim. 3:16, 17; 1 Thess. 5:17; Mark 5:19). Day by day we are to understand His will more fully, and experience new dimensions of commitment.
5. Assurance. The new life involves assurance (Heb. 10:19-22). Our salvation was secured by the most decisive divine act in history: Christ's death and resurrection. We know that He who has begun a good work in us will not leave us to struggle alone. We know that, so long as we put our trust in Him, He will hold us by a hand that will never let us go (The Ministry of Healing, p. 182). He is able to complete His purposes in us, presenting us blameless before His presence with exceeding joy (Phil. 1:6; 1 Cor. 1:8; 1 Thess. 5:23). Already we have passed from death to life; already the Spirit bears witness with our spirit that we are sons and daughters of God (1 John 3:14; 5:18-20; Rom. 8:16). He gives us His peace in the midst of strife, and His strength sufficient for our every need (John 14:27; 2 Cor. 12:9). Not only has God in Christ made the once-for-all sacrifice for our sins, but we now have a great High Priest in the heavenly sanctuary, where He ever lives to make intercession for us and to send forth timely help from the throne of grace (Heb. 7:25; 4:16; Selected Messages, book 2, pp. 32, 33).

 

[War Lord]

Jointy, I like this...

4. Grace and faith. We do not live the Christian life in a manner other than the way in which we first accepted salvation. Having accepted salvation through faith, we do not now trust in human accomplishment (Gal. 3:1-5). At every point in the new life, from its beginning to its ultimate glorification, we depend entirely on grace received through faith. "As therefore you received Christ Jesus the Lord, so live in him" (Col. 2:6; Steps to Christ, p. 69). By the Holy Spirit, God works in us "both to will and to do of his good pleasure" (Phil. 2:13, KJV). It is the divine initiative which sustains our life in Christ, even as it brought into being (The SDA Bible Commentary, Ellen G. White Comments, vol. 6, p. 1071).
We are to nurture faith. Growth is not automatic; obedience is not mechanical. God wills to re-create us in His image, but we must be willing to foster our relation with Him (John 15:1-8). We are to feed on His Word, commune with Him in prayer, and tell what He has done for us (2 Tim. 3:16, 17; 1 Thess. 5:17; Mark 5:19). Day by day we are to understand His will more fully, and experience new dimensions of commitment.
5. Assurance. The new life involves assurance (Heb. 10:19-22). Our salvation was secured by the most decisive divine act in history: Christ's death and resurrection. We know that He who has begun a good work in us will not leave us to struggle alone. We know that, so long as we put our trust in Him, He will hold us by a hand that will never let us go (The Ministry of Healing, p. 182). He is able to complete His purposes in us, presenting us blameless before His presence with exceeding joy (Phil. 1:6; 1 Cor. 1:8; 1 Thess. 5:23). Already we have passed from death to life; already the Spirit bears witness with our spirit that we are sons and daughters of God (1 John 3:14; 5:18-20; Rom. 8:16). He gives us His peace in the midst of strife, and His strength sufficient for our every need (John 14:27; 2 Cor. 12:9). Not only has God in Christ made the once-for-all sacrifice for our sins, but we now have a great High Priest in the heavenly sanctuary, where He ever lives to make intercession for us and to send forth timely help from the throne of grace (Heb. 7:25; 4:16; Selected Messages, book 2, pp. 32, 33).

Why does everybody keep mispelling my original name. It's as though they think I'm a user.

I've been fairly clear that trying to be obedient to the commandments of God is a fruit of our salvation and not a requirement, in terms of trying to earn God's favour.

 

[TheSumOfGod]

Let me be as clear as I can, because I don't want to be misunderstood.

God will forgive every sin, no matter how large or small, if a person repents.

The purpose of obedience is not about trying to earn salvation, because that's been given as a full gift that simply needs to be accepted.

The purpose of obedience, as I understand it, is that it's part of the renewal process we go through to become the creatures that God originally intended us to become. However, one can't say that they've really accepted the gift of Christ if they're being deliberately disobedient.

The problem with this reasoning, jonty, is that you see homosexuality as being a "sin" that homosexuals should repent from. But homosexuality is perfectly natural to homosexuals, just as heterosexuality is perfectly natural to heterosexuals, just as being black or jewish is perfectly natural to black and jewish people. Your problem is that you cannot accept the fact that some people are fundamentally different from you and your kind, your problem is that you are a bigot who justifies his bigotry by convincing himself that it is the "will of God".

 

[Wilhelm-Scream]

Biblical God will not forgive every sin.

 

[ShadowBoxing]

Biblical God will not forgive every sin.

I always thought outright blasphemy was unforgivable (at least back then)

 

[TheSumOfGod]

Biblical God will not forgive every sin.

The Biblical God is the cosmic version of Doctor Doom. He won't let you see his face either.

 

[Wilhelm-Scream]

I always thought outright blasphemy was unforgivable (at least back then)

Blasphemy of the Holy Spirit is "The Unforgivable Sin" according to the New Testament.

 

[TheSumOfGod]

Blasphemy of the Holy Spirit is "The Unforgivable Sin" according to the New Testament.

The Holy Spirit is teh suck! There, I'm going to suffer horribly for the rest of eternity (yes, for countless billions upon billions of years) for that.

 

[Wilhelm-Scream]

The Holy Spirit is teh suck! There, I'm going to suffer horribly for the rest of eternity (yes, for countless billions upon billions of years) for that.

makes sense

 

[TheSumOfGod]

makes sense

Well, since I'm damned no matter what, I'm gonna go molest something. Might as well, since I can never ever buy myself back now...

 

[ShadowBoxing]

Blasphemy of the Holy Spirit is "The Unforgivable Sin" according to the New Testament.

kewl.

 

[USMC]

So much for atheism.


http://www.i-am-bored.com/bored_link.cfm?link_id=17161

 

[GarudA]

So much for atheism.


http://www.i-am-bored.com/bored_link.cfm?link_id=17161

No doubt that is one of the most "IDIOTIC and STUIPD" argument for ID I have ever heard and seen.

 

[GarudA]

 

[USMC]

 

[Mr Sparkle]

LOL, I hope that was a joke "it's curved towards the human face"

 

[Corinthian™]

So much for atheism.


http://www.i-am-bored.com/bored_link.cfm?link_id=17161

I swear to Budha, my mouth is wide open. I can't close it

seriously guys...

I want to shoot myself

 

[Maximum Carnage]

A christian club at my university tried to recruit me early Tuesday after one of my classes. They attacked me as I walked past their stupid billboard/table demo.

I ended up telling them how I worship Lucifer.

Hopefully they'll leave me alone now.. but I dunno.