The Flash The Flash Episode 1x14: Fallout

[Mike Murdock]

That assumes it's a plan of evil.

 

[coluanprime]

I liked all the meta references, the Mist was week 3, "It's always Tuesday".

 

[Bren]

Regarding Eiling's military action - Some words he'd use in his defence - "potential nuclear bomb flying around the city", "interests of national security", "possible military asset".

His superiors might very well see his reasoning for doing what he did. But still court-marshall him for failing

 

[the dmg]

This was another great video. The nods to it's timeslot and episodes was done well without being cheesy. They effects for Firestorm are well done for a TV show it's insane. I like that Eiling has been studying the Flash to know potential weaknesses and how to exploit them.

The only thing that really stood out was the attack on the cafe. Yeah, they used tranqs, but still. It was too open of an attack and somehow they forgot to take the security video for the convenience of Iris getting suspicious that their is more to Star Labs than they've been letting on. If the picture didn't exist, she still could have come to the conclusion that Ronnie was the Burning Man and decide to investigate. Minor nitpick to an otherwise fantastic episode though.

We've known about the possibility of time travel since the series began, but I really hope Barry doesn't do it until another season. I feel it would be too early for Flashpoint Paradox.

Those Joe and Barry scenes. Love them to death.

Man, I swear, every time I watch this show, it always ends with me going:

Another fantastic episode. Dat ending!

Haha....this is exactly how I felt when Grodd appeared again. That stinger was well done. I really hope it has Grodd controlling Eiling so they now have a puppet in the military to do what they want.

 

[Ted]

Honestly, unless they did it for a better tv show and took it as a chance to show Grodd and Wells alliance, I think it is extremely easy for Wells to kill Eiling at his place, so he just might not be dead yet.

 

[BattleCat]

How come professor Stein didn't put two and two together and realize wells sold him out, and gave him to the general?

 

[hopeless]

I wanted them to yell "Firestorm!" when they held hands.

Is there a like button?

Because this gif seriously needs one!

 

[Cain]

How come professor Stein didn't put two and two together and realize wells sold him out, and gave him to the general?

He clearly didn't realize that he was drugged.

For all he knows it could've been a side effect of the diffusion.

Granted he then woke up in an ice cold torture chamber but I'd like to think that he gave Wells the benefit of the doubt.

 

[CaptainWagner]

General Eiling's crimes would be court-martialed in reality. Like I said, it would've been better to make him an antagonist, someone who thinks metahumans are a potential threat to national security, but still a decent person, you have better stories with complex, multi-layered characters. But if you prefer cartoonish villains, just say so.

Like Just One Thing said, a scene where he showed compassion to one of his soldiers would go a long way to make his character more "complex". Personally, I thought it was clear that he was just "doing what was best for his country" but I guess you saw it diferently.

And no, the only way Eiling would be court-marshalled in real life is if the public found out what he was doing. If you think otherwise, no offence, but you have a very naive view about the military/intelligence world.

 

[BLACKVULCAN]

And no, the only way Eiling would be court-marshalled in real life is if the public found out what he was doing. If you think otherwise, no offence, but you have a very naive view about the military/intelligence world.

Oh yeah having been in the military you are right about that Cap. i can attest to that. there are plenty of the things that military does that the general populace is unaware of. Hell there are some things from the 60's with Kennedy that has just seen the light of day!The general populace has always been in the totally dark about some of the military's shenanigans!

 

[terry78]

Plus Eiling is a supervillain in the comics, he just does it under the guise of being an upstanding military official.

 

[Daltonio]

This was another awesome episode. The Firestorm scenes were great and that ending was just... I can't wait a whole month to see what happens next.

 

[JC00]

Honestly, unless they did it for a better tv show and took it as a chance to show Grodd and Wells alliance, I think it is extremely easy for Wells to kill Eiling at his place, so he just might not be dead yet.

Oh I got the impression that Grodd wasn't gonna kill him but bring him to his lair and put him under the same stuff Eiling put him and then mind control him. My guess is that Wells knows he can't kill the General as it somehow end up with Wells and STAR Labs when the military goes looking. With a mind controlled Eiling it keeps him off the meta-human hunt.

 

[Monsieur Xavier]

A question from a layman : do Grodd and Reverse Flash are also associates in the comics ?

 

[LostSon88]

The special effects on the show are serious quality. I mean, WOW.

 

[BestGirl]

Like they're doing with Arrow lately (same writers), this episode was full of nonsense:

Why didn't Wells kill Eiling once he knew the General was after Firestorm? It would've saved him and Team Flash a lot of trouble.

The US military attacking innocent citizens in public, drawing attention to themselves... yep, very smart.

General Eiling, a psychopath willing to kill innocent people in cold blood... his men and the President should be very proud.

With better writing, the military would've been more low-key and Eiling a decent person, tough but fair, never a psycho, making him a more complex, interesting character instead of a cartoonish villain.

Oh, and when Barry, Caitlin, Ronnie and Stein arrived at Star Labs, Ronnie was all cleaned up while Stein was still dirty. It would've made more sense if both were dirty since they just got there. But, like they have shown with Arrow, the producers don't care about "details", they seem to think most viewers are dumb enough to accept any crap they come up with like they did with Oliver not dying, characters being dumbed down for plot convenience (Barry, Iris, Cisco, etc) and a long list of other bad writing choices.

Maybe I'm expecting too much and should see these shows as just guilty pleasures, but they could be much more with better writers and producers.

You've noted some valid criticisms. I also can't figure out why Wells nabbed Eiling from the latter's control room. It would've been much smarter to have kidnapped him from his home when no one was looking. Now, if Eiling starts to behave differently, his military colleagues will be able to guess it's connected to his mysterious disappearance.

Wells trying to help Firestorm survive is confusing. If there is anyone other than Barry in Central City who could be a threat to his plans (whatever it is) its Firestorm. Also, the last time RF was kicking Barry's ass all over the place it was Firestorm who helped the Flash. Of course, we all know RF wasn't gonna kill Flash at that time but still, having Flash and Firestorm around is not something Wells would want I think.

Good point. Hopefully future episodes will shed light on Wells's behavior, Doubtless he believes he can fit Firestorm into his overall scheme, or at least neutralize him as a threat.

 

[haephestus]

Another awesome episode.

I forget though, did the General previously have contact with Barry outside of his costume? I guess, even if the General hadn't met Barry, all it would take is a quick search of information about STAR labs to read that they saved a certain Barry Allen from a nine month coma and he'd know who Barry was after seeing him without his cowl from photos. Or just monitoring STAR labs since Barry is always there for no real reason other than being friends with Caitlin, Cisco and Wells.

My only quibble would be that there appeared to be no real reason for Firestorm to take off. Sure, as far as the team knows, the General is still a threat. But, the General is also a threat to the Flash and Barry isn't going into hiding. And Ronnie and Martin seemed to have the hang of their transformation, at least enough that they could simply fly to visit Martin's friend, spend a few days with him, but then return pretty promptly.

 

[godisawesome]

I think the explanation for why FIRESTORM has to go is that Eiling, and more importantly his staff, have a huge amount of info and data on Firestorm and have even moved onto the point of apparently just needing a dead FIRESTORM-fueled body to make it work, making them a much more literal walking target. Also, whereas Eiling let Wells know about his knowledge of Barry's identity, nobody else seems immediately privy to that information, so while Barry was ostensibly in the same danger as Ronny and Stein, his secrets and family are safe because Eiling used the information as a bargaining chip with Wells.

And of course, Wells took steps to ensure Eiling would not be able to use that chip again...

I kind of want to see Eiling and Waller give their opinions of each other. Both characters seem broadly cut from the same clothe, but considering Eiling's more brute force and escalating body count MO against Waller's strategic flexibility and greater skill at maneuvering her opponents onto her side, they might make a point about how Eiling is comparatively incompetent or a strategic, as well as ethical, liability. Waller's Squad may still do a lot of horrible things, but they seem to operate on a larger and more tangible scale than Eiling's arms race. She's getting her hands dirty on actual threats to national security utilizing imminently expendable assets and displaying enough control and diplomacy to allow others to save the day if they can; he's literally making more enemies, including people who are already members of the military, while trying to win an arms race that hasn't even started yet.

And I'm really hoping they have Eiling returned traumatized and brains wiped; I think the FIRESTORM info they have is enough to introduce an alternative to the current Nuclear Man, and I'd love to see Captain Atom done.

 

[haephestus]

I think the explanation for why FIRESTORM has to go is that Eiling, and more importantly his staff, have a huge amount of info and data on Firestorm and have even moved onto the point of apparently just needing a dead FIRESTORM-fueled body to make it work, making them a much more literal walking target. Also, whereas Eiling let Wells know about his knowledge of Barry's identity, nobody else seems immediately privy to that information, so while Barry was ostensibly in the same danger as Ronny and Stein, his secrets and family are safe because Eiling used the information as a bargaining chip with Wells.

Ah. Okay. That pretty much makes sense. Thanks.

 

[BLACKVULCAN]

A question from a layman : do Grodd and Reverse Flash are also associates in the comics ?

Grodd and Reverse Flash usually dont work together. as they each have their own different agendas going on,
Grodd usually wants to destroy all of mankind and repopulate the earth with other apes or wants to take over gorilla city with him as ruler.
Reverse Flash usually just wants to torment Flash and make his life a living hell by taking over his life and obtaining flash's belongings.He also generally bears an insane grudge against him overall.
though Grodd and the rev flash usually dont team up. Grodd usually teams up with other villains such as the Legion of doom as a means to his ends!
Rev Flash usually works alone.

 

[haephestus]

I forgot to mention, I was very disappointed that Iris agreed to investigate STAR labs.

Sure, there is a story there. But, Wells, Caitlin and Cisco cared for her adoptive/foster brother for nine months and are publicly credited/acknowledged with bringing him out of his coma. And all three are now friends with Barry and are pretty much Barry's only friends, other than Linda and Felicity. Barry spends all of his free time at STAR labs "hanging out" with his friends.

For Iris to investigate them, using her personal connection with Barry, seems more than a little "off" to me.

 

[Frodo]

I actually don't mind that they have Iris investigating STAR Labs. It gives her character a drive and a purpose and I liked her spunky interaction with her colleague. I'd prefer Iris do that kinda stuff then what they've had her doing the past several episodes.

 

[DrCosmic]

Second that Frodo.

Also... they lied to her. Over a long period of time, about some crazy important stuff for no good reason. For her to turn around and trust them by being upfront about her investigation would make her a bit too good to be true, imho.

Also, they're setting up the whole 'driven newswoman' 'get the story by any means' character trait, which is really necessary to keep her storyline from being 'sits at a desk and reads a teleprompter' like real life newsfolks.

 

[Monsieur Xavier]

Grodd and Reverse Flash usually dont work together. as they each have their own different agendas going on,
Grodd usually wants to destroy all of mankind and repopulate the earth with other apes or wants to take over gorilla city with him as ruler.
Reverse Flash usually just wants to torment Flash and make his life a living hell by taking over his life and obtaining flash's belongings.He also generally bears an insane grudge against him overall.
though Grodd and the rev flash usually dont team up. Grodd usually teams up with other villains such as the Legion of doom as a means to his ends!
Rev Flash usually works alone.

Thanks for the break up.

 

[spider-neil]

It's a little disappointing they never showed any of Firestorm's molecular reconstruction powers. That is the whole point of Firestorm, his powers are molecular reconstruction based not flame based. And where did the flaming hair go? Oh well, still a brilliant show.