The Full List of "Crimes" Committed by Fox's Tom Rothman - Part 1

[Theweepeople]

They are still the official distributor, which means Star Wars is listed under Fox's name. Its the Fox fanfare that opens up Star Wars, not the Luscasfilm one.

Its like debating that Toy Story should get billed under Pixar rather than Disney.

Looking beyond Franchises, at the end of the day, Fox does have the number 1 and 2 highest grossing films of all time. And in the Adjusted top 5, they have 2. In the Adjusted top 25, Fox are the only studio with movies in it dating from the past 20 years, they have 3, except for Universal, which has 1 (Jurassic Park)

You can't really spin Fox as having a poor performance history wise.

This is a very weak argument and not a fair comparison. Pixar is still a subsidiary of Disney and they have to answer to Disney for all of their creative decisions. In comparison Lucas film is a privately owned company that operates independently from other movie studios. Lucas never has to go to 20th century Fox and ask if it's okay to make another Star Wars franchise since Fox let him have the property and merchandising rights in 1977. Technically speaking Star Wars doesn't belong to Fox and the overwhelming majority of the money generated by the franchise is collected by Lucas film.

A proper comparison would be to consider the situation with Watchmen. Fox owns the distribution rights to Watchmen and these rights only give them 5 to 9% of the overall gross of past, present, and future films. That money made is a drop in the bucket compared to what Fox could make if they owned the property rights like the WB.

In retrospect, Fox is connected to Star Wars in a similar way that Marvel comics was connected to some of the earlier Marvel comic book films that came out 5 to 13 years ago. Marvel comics made money from MIB, Blade, X-Men, The Hulk, Dardevil, and Spider-Man series but, the profit was minuscule.

 

[Zant]

Name Fox's good quality big box office franchises that are still going.

Other studio's do bad things as well, see Sony and SM3/SM4. Sony isn't an amazing studio either. They are like a mini Fox. But, they aren't that big of a studio and what they produce in a year pales in comparison to what Fox does. They don't do it near the level Fox does nor do they push out the sheer amount of crap Fox does. Avatar saved Fox. They were producing so much crap that they were losing money every year.

WB, Disney, Paramount are the leading studios for quality control. Fox is at the end with Sony right behind it.

So WB and Paramount are leading studios for quality control.The guys who gave us The last Airbender ,Batman and Robin Gi joe, PlutoNash,Catwoman,
Steal, Jonah Hex, Clash of the Titans,Indy 4.Alexander,Speed racer,etc
Fox has made bad films but Catwoman and Batman and Robin are on another level.Almost forgot Battlefield Earth wow the epicness of The Matrix and the Dark Knight will not make up for that abomination

As for franchise apart from Avatar and X men I would say Ice age, Die Hard, The Simpsons,Night in the Museum, Alvin,Star Wars,Narnia, even Alien is still around I would say Fox are doing fine and yes I work for them

 

[Kurosawa]

This is a very weak argument and not a fair comparison. Pixar is still a subsidiary of Disney and they have to answer to Disney for all of their creative decisions. In comparison Lucas film is a privately owned company that operates independently from other movie studios. Lucas never has to go to 20th century Fox and ask if it's okay to make another Star Wars franchise since Fox let him have the property and merchandising rights in 1977. Technically speaking Star Wars doesn't belong to Fox and the overwhelming majority of the money generated by the franchise is collected by Lucas film.

A proper comparison would be to consider the situation with Watchmen. Fox owns the distribution rights to Watchmen and these rights only give them 5 to 9% of the overall gross of past, present, and future films. That money made is a drop in the bucket compared to what Fox could make if they owned the property rights like the WB.

In retrospect, Fox is connected to Star Wars in a similar way that Marvel comics was connected to some of the earlier Marvel comic book films that came out 5 to 13 years ago. Marvel comics made money from MIB, Blade, X-Men, The Hulk, Dardevil, and Spider-Man series but, the profit was minuscule.

Actually, Lucas did have to go back to FOX for more money during the production of ESB because Gary Kurtz ran it over budget (which led to Kurtz leaving Lucasfilm LTD).

 

[Man in the Suit]

Speed racer

Good movie. Underrated.

 

[Theweepeople]

Actually, Lucas did have to go back to FOX for more money during the production of ESB because Gary Kurtz ran it over budget (which led to Kurtz leaving Lucasfilm LTD).

You are right about that. Fortunately, Fox didn't convince Lucas into giving the property rights back.

 

[chaseter]

They are still the official distributor, which means Star Wars is listed under Fox's name. Its the Fox fanfare that opens up Star Wars, not the Luscasfilm one.

Its like debating that Toy Story should get billed under Pixar rather than Disney.

Looking beyond Franchises, at the end of the day, Fox does have the number 1 and 2 highest grossing films of all time. And in the Adjusted top 5, they have 2. In the Adjusted top 25, Fox are the only studio with movies in it dating from the past 20 years, they have 3, except for Universal, which has 1 (Jurassic Park)

You can't really spin Fox as having a poor performance history wise.

Nobody says that Disney made Toy Story They say Pixar. People say Lucasfilm makes Star Wars...not Fox.

Fox has some highest grossers but they rape their franchises to death with micromanagement. That is why they have zero top 10 franchises. Star Wars is distributed by Fox, not managed. They didn't tell Lucas anything. Those were his babies, he owns the rights.

And back to my thought...look at those highest grossers...did they micromanage Cameron? No. Fox used to be a good studio, don't get me wrong. I am not saying that they have been terrible forever. But in the past few years, which all my examples are from, they have become a terrible, terrible studio.

 

[:eek:]

Say what you want about Fox, but this summer I think they have been the biggest surprise by delivering not one but two of the better summer movies, X-Men: First Class and Rise of the Planet of the Apes

 

[Nirvana]

Completely agree.

 

[dark_b]

but it doesnt fix all the movies from previous years.

2 movies? so what

 

[Billy the Poet]

It does demonstrate the studio's attempt to stop f***ing around and see what happens if they once try to make movies with good scripts.

I hope this direction will last for at least another couple couple of years, because so far it seems welcomed by critics and cinema goers, even though box office numbers are pretty disappointing.

 

[Zant]

Stupid Fox haters.For me Fox has won the summer

 

[chaseter]

WB won the summer with Harry Potter both financially and critically.

 

[Zant]

Stupid Fox haters.For me Fox has won the summer

 

[Zant]

Stupid Fox haters.For me Fox has won the summer

 

[Zant]

Stupid Fox haters.For me Fox has won the summer in terms of quality

 

[chaseter]

Best 4 posts ever.

 

[:eek:]

but it doesnt fix all the movies from previous years.

2 movies? so what

Yeah, they've made awful stuff in the past. So does all the major movie companies

 

[chaseter]

Every major studio has a movie in the top 30 all time domestic except for Fox. The only movies they show up attached to are movies that they distributed like Avatar and Star Wars...in fact those are the only two.

What does that say? The only have one movie that has ever crossed $300 domestic, Independence Day.

 

[Zant]

Sorry for the multi posts phone acting up again.Anyway the US is not the only country in the world.Just wait till Ice Age makes a billion next year

 

[chamber-music]

Say what you want about Fox, but this summer I think they have been the biggest surprise by delivering not one but two of the better summer movies, X-Men: First Class and Rise of the Planet of the Apes

I don't know about Rise of the Planet of the Apes because I have no intrest in those movies but regarding X-Men Mathew Vaughn directed X-Men: First Class because Fox gave him creative control so yeah thanks to Fox for that but in terms of the actual movie making process credit goes to Vaughn, Goldman and to a lesser extent Singer.

 

[chaseter]

Sorry for the multi posts phone acting up again.Anyway the US is not the only country in the world.Just wait till Ice Age makes a billion next year

Worldwide, Fox makes its first appearance with Ice Age: Dawn of the Dinosaurs all the way down at number 22. Fox is a big time studio. It's odd that they can't seem to muster enough box office prowess to make it in the top 10 let alone the top 20.

The next Ice Age won't make a billion.

 

[chaseter]

I don't know about Rise of the Planet of the Apes because I have no intrest in those movies but regarding X-Men Mathew Vaughn directed X-Men: First Class because Fox gave him creative control so yeah thanks to Fox for that but in terms of the actual movie making process credit goes to Vaughn, Goldman and to a lesser extent Singer.

First Class was a great movie because as you said, the talent behind the camera and script. Fox rushed production. We are extremely lucky the movie turned out to be good given the time frame it was made under. Just imagine if the release date had been pushed back a couple of months. How much more glorious could that film have been!? Just imagine!

 

[Electrix]

Every major studio has a movie in the top 30 all time domestic except for Fox. The only movies they show up attached to are movies that they distributed like Avatar and Star Wars...in fact those are the only two.

What does that say? The only have one movie that has ever crossed $300 domestic, Independence Day.

Fox co-produced and distributed Avatar. It's their movie. They also co-produced Titanic. Fox have been involved with the 2 highest grossing movies of all time. I don't understand your argument here.

Worldwide, Fox makes its first appearance with Ice Age: Dawn of the Dinosaurs all the way down at number 22. Fox is a big time studio. It's odd that they can't seem to muster enough box office prowess to make it in the top 10 let alone the top 20.

The next Ice Age won't make a billion.

You're focusing too much on 'Top' lists and charts. Dawn of the Dinosaurs made $886 million worldwide. That's nothing to sniff at.

 

[chaseter]

Fox didn't do much with Avatar besides distribute it and produce a small percentage of it. Cameron ponied up most of the cash and retained full creative control. In fact, Fox was extremely hesitant to give Cameron much of any money and even wanted him to shut it down. Titanic was Paramount. That said, Avatar saved Fox. I think if Avatar had bombed, 20th Century Fox would have closed shop due to their 2-3 years of previous terrible box office results.

Ice Age 3 or 4 or whatever number it is didn't do bad. No one said it did bad. But Fox isn't in the top 20 worldwide or top 30 domestic in terms of box office. That shows that Fox isn't that good of a studio when compared to studios that are in the top 20 and 30 4 or 5 times like WB.

So movies like Star Wars and Avatar that Fox distributed, they had no say in the creative process. That is why those movies had huge box office results. Fox didn't micromanage everything and screw it up. They seem to never learn that. I thought they learned it with First Class but then I heard reports that the production was rushed and that Matthew Vaughn was being worked to death to get the movie out in time.

Here is what it comes down to...if you were allowed to choose which studio you wanted to produce your film, which would you choose: Fox, WB, Sony, or Paramount?

 

[Zant]

So Titanic is only Paramount now lol ok whatever you say.WB are so perfect Green lantern fans will tell you so