The Full List of "Crimes" Committed by Fox's Tom Rothman

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This isn't like he leaves and then comes back decades later, he stops working for the US for about a day then 'comes back and attacks'... and also like I said, they were the ones that suddenly disowned him, which in the comic happens before the event...

So that's two HUGE things that would cause the world to turn on America... and why that change is ******ed.

I think the Manhattan attack is going to seem like one of those workplace shooting rampages. Manhattan will have a psychotic episode, publicly quit his job, then come back within a couple of days and blow cities all over the world sky high. I have no doubt some people will be mad at the US for what he does, but what're they going to do? He doesn't work for the US anymore, he's on Mars, and he blew up American cities along with international ones. Regardless of the world's feelings towards the US, everyone's going to have to unite because everyone's clearly in danger.

ETA: This is the Rothman thread, not the Watchmen thread, so I'll just say that I never really disliked the guy until I learned that he could delay Watchmen. Now I hate him with a fiery passion!!! He had better not screw this up for me!
 
But why don't you hold out your judgement first and actually see the film? Instead of passing judgement beforehand? Why don't you give it a chance first? Go in with an open mind, though people complaining at this stage proabaly won't.

I'm going to address this last part first... why don't you also hold judgment until you see it? You're acting like this movie rocks so much that no one dare question the great Snyder and his movie making abilities.

And this is an ADAPTION of one piece of literature. There's only one. No ***** B89 and TDK are two different films. They draw from different sources for God's sake you didn't think I knew that? As long as that theme is retained in the story then it's fine.

Batman's story is Batman's story... so I don't get why you're not complaining about Nolan going and messing up Batman 89 by making Batman Begins and Dark Knight.

Also, I hope Snyder ends up being someone's Burton.

Squid or no squid. Do you seriously think that an alien is the only way to unite the world?

If the story is supposed to be Watchmen... then YES. Because these two countries are supposed to be so close to nuclear holocaust that someone would be willing to kill millions to stop it. So that means they just need the smallest provocation to start WW3.

There's other ways, and this explosion is a good example.

The explosion is because (in the world's view) of DOCTOR MANHATTAN. American's attack dog and first line of defense to other nations. Even if Manhattan leaves earth, he's still an American creation that ended up backfiring and hurting everyone.

Millions still die, they unite, what's problem?

The problem? Again... it's the AMERICAN DOCTOR MANHATTAN. Everyone would jump at the chance to blame America and the world wouldn't unite... Because these countries are waiting for any little chance to blow each other to pieces. Doctor Manhattan attacking everywhere (even the US) gives them that little reason to start WW3.

I understand how it's an outside creature, but I even thought the squid was a little silly in the GN.

Because it was supposed to be silly? The entire thing was supposed to be silly... grown men dressing up in costumes to go out and fight crime and 'save the world'. That's why once Manhattan is introduced the guys look even sillier, and Nite Owl I is completely outdated in the costumed world and the real world.

And even the end is supposed to add to showing just how silly they are, because their biggest success is failing to stop someone saving the world.

All of a sudden this squid pops out? Or even aliens? People will be like WTF? And be drawn out of the film.

And? It's supposed to be a "Whaaaaaaa?" at the end of a long build up.

If complaining about the removal of the squid stops you form liking the film than that's a sad case for you.

If you're so willing to toss aside the source material so you can enjoy the Watchmen movie... that's a sad case for you.
 
I'm going to address this last part first... why don't you also hold judgment until you see it? You're acting like this movie rocks so much that no one dare question the great Snyder and his movie making abilities.



Batman's story is Batman's story... so I don't get why you're not complaining about Nolan going and messing up Batman 89 by making Batman Begins and Dark Knight.

Also, I hope Snyder ends up being someone's Burton.



If the story is supposed to be Watchmen... then YES. Because these two countries are supposed to be so close to nuclear holocaust that someone would be willing to kill millions to stop it. So that means they just need the smallest provocation to start WW3.



The explosion is because (in the world's view) of DOCTOR MANHATTAN. American's attack dog and first line of defense to other nations. Even if Manhattan leaves earth, he's still an American creation that ended up backfiring and hurting everyone.



The problem? Again... it's the AMERICAN DOCTOR MANHATTAN. Everyone would jump at the chance to blame America and the world wouldn't unite... Because these countries are waiting for any little chance to blow each other to pieces. Doctor Manhattan attacking everywhere (even the US) gives them that little reason to start WW3.



Because it was supposed to be silly? The entire thing was supposed to be silly... grown men dressing up in costumes to go out and fight crime and 'save the world'. That's why once Manhattan is introduced the guys look even sillier, and Nite Owl I is completely outdated in the costumed world and the real world.

And even the end is supposed to add to showing just how silly they are, because their biggest success is failing to stop someone saving the world.



And? It's supposed to be a "Whaaaaaaa?" at the end of a long build up.



If you're so willing to toss aside the source material so you can enjoy the Watchmen movie... that's a sad case for you.

I'm aware of all that. And I do understand about the costumes. Everyone think Manhatten in a way is God. He's framed. People thinks he killed half of New York. What if God betrayed us all? What if every sort of God each religion worshipped betrayed us in some devastation? We would all unite.

And Im keeping a positive attitude about the film and not slamming it and thinking it's doomed before you even see it. Dude, what the hell? You're one of those people who complain if everything isn't right like the comic it's doomed. For God's sake, just because it deviates from the GN doesn't mean it will suck. It's just another interpretation. As long as the themes are there and the spirit then it's fine. The sad case is here for you for not being open minded and refusing to accept anything else accept the original ending and you assume it's gonna suck and getting all pissy about it.
 
Here is another article which sums up Fox's lousy year for 2008. There's no additional information on the latest rumors about Rothman's job being in jeporady but, I think it's safe to say that he won't be at Fox much longer.

http://www.celebrifi.com/gossip/-Is-There-Any-Reason-Not-To-Boycott-Fox-Next-Year-Rant--310080.html
If Wolverine bombs...then Rothman will be gone but I just don't see that happening:csad: I would gladly wait for the movie to come out on dvd and not watch it in theatres if it meant that man loses his job:o
 
he should already be gone 2 years ago. so its not like its now to much. it was already to much 2 years ago.
 
And Im keeping a positive attitude about the film and not slamming it and thinking it's doomed before you even see it.

Oh that's pretty obvious, but why? Because what we've see just looks like Watchmen? Or that Snyder 'gets' it and wants the Comedian shooting a pregnant lady in the movie?

Dude, what the hell? You're one of those people who complain if everything isn't right like the comic it's doomed. For God's sake, just because it deviates from the GN doesn't mean it will suck.

This is a huge change... for absolutely no reason at all... to something which ruins the story from the book. And your god version of trying to rationalize a reason to like the change... is way off. You forgot to take into calculation that half the world already believed that god wasn't on their side anymore because of the quote, "God is real and he's American."... not human, not anything else... American. So the rest of the world already felt like god had betrayed them.

So America would have a crisis and the rest of the world would just say, "whatever, now you know what it feels like." That doesn't seem like a mindset for uniting.

It's just another interpretation. As long as the themes are there and the spirit then it's fine.

Changing it from aliens (not even the squid, just aliens in general) gets one of the themes wrong.

The sad case is here for you for not being open minded and refusing to accept anything else accept the original ending and you assume it's gonna suck and getting all pissy about it.

The sad case? Me not getting hyped up is sad? Me not bowing at the altar of Snyder is sad?

At least I may get a nice surprise if Snyder delivers...
 
Oh that's pretty obvious, but why? Because what we've see just looks like Watchmen? Or that Snyder 'gets' it and wants the Comedian shooting a pregnant lady in the movie?



This is a huge change... for absolutely no reason at all... to something which ruins the story from the book. And your god version of trying to rationalize a reason to like the change... is way off. You forgot to take into calculation that half the world already believed that god wasn't on their side anymore because of the quote, "God is real and he's American."... not human, not anything else... American. So the rest of the world already felt like god had betrayed them.

So America would have a crisis and the rest of the world would just say, "whatever, now you know what it feels like." That doesn't seem like a mindset for uniting.



Changing it from aliens (not even the squid, just aliens in general) gets one of the themes wrong.



The sad case? Me not getting hyped up is sad? Me not bowing at the altar of Snyder is sad?

At least I may get a nice surprise if Snyder delivers...

I'm not bowing at Snyder's alter. I just have faith in him is all. The ending is changed or not, it doesn't mean I think the film will suck. But you're just concentrating on that one thing about the ending. Why is it one thing and you think the film is gonna suck? Dude, it's just another interpretation of the material. There is nothing wrong with that. Sure, I would love to see everything from the GN to screen but I know that's not gonna work. You should blame yourself for thinking that it should. What about the rest of the film? Is that gonna suck because of the ending? Is that what you think? Even though the ending may be different there is still Veidt getting away, Rorscach dying, etc. Think of all that that Snyder fought to keep. The thing that everyone else would do differently or the studio. All the other directors beforehand didn't reallt get anything close to what Snyder is doing. You should be grateful with that.
 
From what i have seen of watchmen
from the trailers/photos ect

Snyder has got some respect for the GN
i am in NO way bowing at the mans feet
but i respect what he has done for the FANS of the original GN

so one or two things may be different than moore's original story, WHO CARES
no matter what the comic movie is there will always be a few things changed, think spidey's web shooters or joker not being permawhite

does it change how you enjoy or get excited for the story being told on the big screen ?

The Movie everyone said could not be made, is almost here
I think everyone should be grateful in someway, shape or form

and anyway, The extended version will be out on Dvd, it will be very long but epic

Back to rothman, could you imagine the smug smile he must have had at the courtroom
when Fox won the case
 
Found this Last night, thought i'd share
Hell hath no fury like a fanboy scorned :woot:
totally agree

http://www.cracked.com/blog/fox-can-eat-several-*****/

Dear Fox,

Eat all the *****.

Love,

-DOB

PS

(Okay, let me clarify a little bit for anyone who might be reading this letter that isn’t either a)obsessed with The Watchmen or b) the head of the Fox Corporation.) Back in the 80s, Fox purchased the rights to a Watchmen movie and celebrated by not making it for 20 years. Now, Warner Brothers respected their decision but, oddly enough, felt that a Watchmen movie would look better if it was actually, you know, made. So, Warner Brothers decided to make it. They announced their plans well over a year ago and Watchmen is now one of the most anticipated movies of the year. If you saw The Dark Knight and, statistically speaking, you probably did, then you already saw the trailer.
If you’re me and, statistically speaking, you’re probably not, then you went back to your apartment and watched the trailer on Youtube over and over again and experienced an odd yet not totally unexpected sense of profound sexual arousal that you could really only describe as spiritual.

If you’re Fox, you patiently waited until the excitement over the movie reached a *****-inducing fever pitch, and then you decided to sue Warner Brothers and, according to the New York Times, you won. On Christmas Eve, a judge ruled that Fox has the right to, at the very least, distribute The Watchmen. Will they try to stop the release of the movie? Probably not, (though they certainly could). Will they try to change it? Again, no. Will they make some fat cash off of it? Certainly. Should they eat all the *****? Without a doubt.
Now, Fox, I know that you didn’t technically do anything illegal. In terms of the way the American justice system works, you are completely within your rights to do exactly what you did. You owned the movie rights to The Watchmen, and Warner Brothers made the movie anyway. Without having a real firm grasp on the law, I can certainly understand the concept of someone taking somebody else’s thing. Like, if I bought bacon with the intention of cooking it, chopping it up and throwing it into one of my famous omelettes, I’d be real pissed if some jerk showed up, took all my bacon and made their own breakfast with it. Even if that jerk was Warner Brothers, and even if their breakfast looked ****ing awesome.
But here’s the thing: You weren’t going to make that movie. You had the movie rights to the most important graphic novel of all time, and you just sat on it for a couple of decades while you focused on making other hit movies, (though I can’t for some reason think of a single one). The difference is that, when I buy bacon, I cook it almost immediately. I never just sit on it. (That’s the worst thing you can do with bacon.) And if you did want to make it, you should’ve spoken up when the movie was first announced. “Hey, Warner Brothers, don’t make that movie. We own it, and we will make it, we’re just very slow.” That would’ve been fine. But you decided to wait. You waited for Warner Brothers to buy some cheese, fry up some eggs, toast some English muffins cook its bacon, (I’m assuming here that Warner Brothers is making a bacon egg and cheese sandwich), and just when Warner Brothers was about to take a bite, you jumped out of the shadows and said “Hey, that’s mine!” Which is why I’ve popped out, from even darker shadows, shouting “Hey, eat all the *****!”
You know what bothers me the most, you stupid, ****** bastards?

You don’t want to crush this movie or stop its release. It’s not like you’re morally opposed to the subject matter, and it’s not like you’re artistically offended by the vision and interpretation of the source material by Warner Brothers or director Zack Snyder and as a result want to stop the movie from seeing the light of day. It’s not like there are a bunch of Fox employees who worked diligently on this movie; they’re not being screwed by Warner Brothers’ production. And it isn’t like you’re lashing out because you were going to make the movie and Snyder beat you to it; you had over twenty years and did nothing.
This is about money. You saw the chance to make a ridiculous sum of money, for no reason, and you’re going to take it.
And, when the law is on your side, it’s easy for you to argue that I don’t have a leg to stand on and, at the end of the day, you’re right. You’re a business, and you made what is perhaps the smartest move a business could make. You struck at the last second, thereby forcing Warner Brothers’ hand. They’ll have to settle with you, and they’ll have to pay whatever exorbitant sums you want, or else they can just refuse to distribute the film, which, given the anticipation, will screw Warner Brothers pretty hard.
But I don’t give a **** about the law right now, (or, hey, while we’re at it, ever). When it comes down to it, Zack Snyder worked hard on this movie. All of the actors and all of the crew members worked hard on it. The producers took a risk by giving Snyder complete creative control and a buttload of money. This is a movie that fans have been praying and begging for for decades. We want this movie and, more importantly, we want it done right. We want it to be visually stunning. We want to see the book’s complex themes brought to life. We want to see Dr. Manhattan’s glorious, blue genitals majestically flopping on the big screen.

A lot of people worked hard to make this movie what the fans want it to be and, based on the trailer, the behind the scenes video clips, most of the early reviews, this is as close as anyone will come.
You, Fox, did not do any of the work to get this movie to where it is, but you’re still going to make money off of it. And that’s a concept that I don’t quite understand, and I never will understand it. I can’t imagine that Warner Brothers has money tucked away specifically to pay to you, Fox, so I have to assume that whatever money goes to you was originally intended for someone else, someone who probably actually deserves it. You haven’t been able to make a decent hit blockbuster, so you’re pulling this crap. And that, Fox, you shameless, opportunistic, greedy, jealous, petty ****-parade, brings me back to my original thesis:
Eat all the *****. Open your bitter, miserable mouth and eat all the *****. Stop using that mouth of yours to whine, and get started on all these ***** you need to be eating. Keep eating *****, even at night, even on weekends. Intuition will tell you that you’ve had enough *****, but you will be wrong: You will never have eaten enough *****.

You may complain that what you’re doing is perfectly legal, but I’d argue that I’ve never read a law that specifically prohibits force-feeding a lethal amount of ***** down someone’s throat, (though, I’ll admit, I’m almost positive there is one). You may say “I don’t care what you think, DOB,” to which I’d respond, “That’s some tough talk for someone with an acre of ***** in their mouth.”

And even when you meekly protest that they don’t measure ***** in acres, I won’t be able to hear you.
Because of all the *****
 
But you're just concentrating on that one thing about the ending.

Actually, you're more guilty of that than me. Cause I'm looking at the big picture of how the story is building up this huge conflict between the US and Russia.... that just needs the smallest reason for them to start dropping bombs. Which Manhattan doing anything... would be.

Even though the ending may be different there is still Veidt getting away, Rorscach dying, etc. Think of all that that Snyder fought to keep. The thing that everyone else would do differently or the studio. All the other directors beforehand didn't reallt get anything close to what Snyder is doing. You should be grateful with that.

The message that humans look for any reason to fight each other to the point that the only thing that would make them actually stop and think about things is an alien showing up in New York and killing millions... wait a minute, that's not there anymore. :whatever:

The Movie everyone said could not be made, is almost here

Um... no. When you have to change a major part of the storyline to accommodate making a movie... it's not Watchmen anymore.



Plus, we should get back to Rothman. I've learned my lesson that you cannot express any doubts about the Watchmen movie on this board.
 
If Wolverine bombs...then Rothman will be gone but I just don't see that happening:csad: I would gladly wait for the movie to come out on dvd and not watch it in theatres if it meant that man loses his job:o

Well, I posted an article a few pages back about Rothman being in the hot seat. Rothman's contract doesn't run out until 2011 but, rumor has it that he may resign this year or get fired. Rupert Murdoch was not happy with Fox's disappointing boxoffice gross for 2008 and said he will be making radical changes to the company in 2009.
 
Well, I posted an article a few pages back about Rothman being in the hot seat. Rothman's contract doesn't run out until 2011 but, rumor has it that he may resign this year or get fired. Rupert Murdoch was not happy with Fox's disappointing boxoffice gross for 2008 and said he will be making radical changes to the company in 2009.

That's excellent news. For all our sakes, I would like to see Fox become a successful studio again.
 
That's excellent news. For all our sakes, I would like to see Fox become a successful studio again.
Who wouldn't like to see Fox become a genuinely good, successful studio again? Right now Fox is like that friend who turned into a drug addict who you want to see get better.
 
my problem with Fox is that they became the 'genre' studio, while they hand off the good small indie films to Fox Searchlight (The Wrestler, etc). That's not a problem, but now and again, Universal or Warner Bros would have a big commercial drama that will turn a few heads. Like American Gangster, The Departed, etc.

Fox has been crankin' these awful action movies for a while now. Australia was the first time in a while that they had some drama like that.
 
Actually, you're more guilty of that than me. Cause I'm looking at the big picture of how the story is building up this huge conflict between the US and Russia.... that just needs the smallest reason for them to start dropping bombs. Which Manhattan doing anything... would be.



The message that humans look for any reason to fight each other to the point that the only thing that would make them actually stop and think about things is an alien showing up in New York and killing millions... wait a minute, that's not there anymore. :whatever:



Um... no. When you have to change a major part of the storyline to accommodate making a movie... it's not Watchmen anymore.



Plus, we should get back to Rothman. I've learned my lesson that you cannot express any doubts about the Watchmen movie on this board.

Good God. :whatever:
 
Who wouldn't like to see Fox become a genuinely good, successful studio again? Right now Fox is like that friend who turned into a drug addict who you want to see get better.

And Tom Rothman is the drug that you just want to flush down the toilet and never see again.
 
Tom Rothman = Automatic Epic Fail

everything he touches just dies
 
Can we Add,

Raping childhood Favourite Animes such as DBZ and Possibly the up coming Cowboy Bebop

to the list of *Crimes*
 
Can we Add,

Raping childhood Favourite Animes such as DBZ and Possibly the up coming Cowboy Bebop

to the list of *Crimes*
 
Cowboy Bebop could be the next Matrix, RoboCop, Aliens or even Blade Runner if treated correctly, there's enough character depth, beautiful visuals/settings and well written stories to make a classic five star film with.

But sadly it's going to be reduced to an 80 minute, PG-13, no budget, badly edited by the *****ebag who raped Die Hard 4 and Hitman and with the cheap typical Fox cinematography that will probably be set on modern day Earth.

If there was ever a person who deserved a Benito Mussolini style execution and public lynching, it is Tom Rothman.
 
I don't know why people think that Die Hard 4 should have been "this great movie". It{and the other three movies| is a fun action movie, and that's what it should be.
 
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