The Guns thread - Part 1

[squeekness]

The AR/M-series is designed to negate trigger finger fatigue and heat build-up while having 28 rounds in the magazine. As I previously stated, the AR is a near carbon copy of the M-16, minus burst-fire. All of its other features that allow it to fire large numbers of rounds over extended periods of time, are still there. There is no denying that it was straight up designed for military combat. Anyone who tries to argue that the AR-15 is not a military weapon, while only clinging to the fire rate as their defense, is kidding themselves.

These are my thoughts as well. Not really for hunting deer.

 

[Kelly]

If you want to get into numbers like that, Kelly, probably fair to also include that shootings are down from what they were in the 80s and 90s, despite more guns floating around.

Hotwire, so ban the additional military features. Legally mandate they have to be redesigned somewhat and manufactured in a less-modular way so as not able to be altered. Put the onus on the manufacturers, we regulate plenty of other industries the same way.

That way they don't get to cry that their product's being banned, the NRA doesn't get to claim bans, you're just requiring that the older ones get swapped in for newer, more standardized and unmodifiable versions. Yes, the hardcore militia types will whine about it, Armalite will too, but it's about the closest to a reasonable compromise that's getting achieved on t his. They're going to have to suck it up.

The sticking point really is this semi-automatic thing. The public feels it's fine to own a 14 bullet handgun with a similar firing rate to an AR-10, or various versions of carbines, but the AR-10's the threshold cut-off?

Enough of the country still thinks that's crazy. Further regulation needs to happen, but someone says the word "ban" and any potential discussion just grinds to a halt. Neither side trusts one another on this.

I understand where you are coming from, but I'm not really talking about , at this point, homicides of drug on drug crimes all the way to family violence, although all of those are loss of life. I am mainly looking at cases of mass shootings like that of Columbine, Aurora, Sandy Hook, Pulse Night Club, etc....

Here is the thing, planes are one of the safest forms of travel, but when a commercial airline goes down it kills 200+, so they look at the reasons closely and if there are regulations that need to be put in place to make it safer then that is what they do.

I'm not looking at homicide as a whole, I am looking at the availability of the guns that we have seen used over the past 13 or so years, along with other variables.

It is not something that one fix, fixes it all......but I think what I stated above is one way. Hunters can still hunt, people can still protect themselves. Yes, as you say some are going to be upset, but I'm sorry.....if you are upset because your enjoyment is being hampered? too ****ing bad....figure out another way to enjoy shooting **** up.

I myself am about to purchase a Taurus Judge ..410 buck shot loads.....for protection in my apartment. So I am not one yelling no guns, no guns.....but I do believe there are those that no matter if they are used for hunting, target practice whatever, there are alternatives for hunting and target practice and people can enjoy those....just as I will enjoy the gun I am purchasing. I looked, shopped, shot, and talked with people about what was best for me, and that was it.....if I go crazy, well then people will get 4 rounds of buckshot in them, before I can reload.

There are other things that need to happen as well. 1. No schools built past this time should have exits with windows that are not bullet proof, front entrances should have security that buzzes people, and checks ID's not the damn receptionist, attendance clerk or secretary. Cameras should be at every possible entrance and monitored sufficiently. All classrooms should be equipped with a Baracuda type lock system depending on what type door they have. Teachers should be effectively trained so that them and their students do not run to a closet to simply becoming sitting ducks as in Sandy Hook. ALL CLASSROOM DOORS stay locked 24/7, even if they are open for a time, all that needs to be done is for them to stay locked. The World Geo. teacher and the student that blocked the door until it was locked BY A DAMN KEY in Parkland, probably would still be here with us, and the boy not facing years of rehab. And last, but not least......Universal background checks, purchase of certain types of guns until the age of 21, and no more guns and ammunition sold online.....I will concede for ammunition only on the last one if that is all we could get.

ALL OF THE ABOVE NEEDS TO BEGIN NOW. Will we still have mass shootings? probably, but hopefully not with as much loss of life, hopefully not in schools, But saying that it won't help is not an answer.

 

[Webfoot Hero]

Okay. That takes away everything about the AR-15. Remember, it's a copy of a military weapon, converted, not designed, for civilian use. Hell, even the bullets it fires are military! You might get to keep the iron sights.

Do you know the other military/law enforcement weapons which fire military rounds that have been converted to civilian use? Just about every commonly owned civilian weapon such as a Glock, M1911, pump-action shotgun, and bolt-action rifle. Are you going to have those banned as well?

 

[DarthSkywalker]

The internet makes the chance of a mass shooting worse. Beyond making certain type of guns more available. The toxic ideas it can help expose both sick or evil people to, the celebrity is offers these type of people. Look what happened with Jonathan Martin this very week. It all makes these type of shootings more likely imo.

You can't prevent all mass shootings. Not really. But with certain measures you can save every last life possible.

 

[Webfoot Hero]

These are my thoughts as well. Not really for hunting deer.

That's not exactly true:
Here Are 7 Animals Hunters Kill Using an AR-15

AR-15’s for Deer and Hog Hunting? You Bet!

Plus, Colt even marketed the original semi-auto AR-15s from the 60s as hunting weapons:

 

[DarthSkywalker]

A few people hunting with it and a bit of advertising qualifies it as so? That is like saying Gatorade is used for athletic purposes most of the time.

 

[DeadPresident]

They used to advertise cigarettes as having health benefits, and we used asbestos in residential construction…appealing to historical sentiments isn't a good line of argument.

 

[BillPardy]

Just like i know many gals who own a .22 pistol, all cause of the high rate of rapes, and muggings in the towns (or on the campuses they go to).. Its not irrational for THEM to want to be armed to defend themselves..

The odds of being mugged are actually really low (despite the level of fear someone feels), and 90% rapes aren't committed the way popular culture depicts them. Guys aren't grabbing women and dragging them into alleyways, or jumping out of bushes. More often than not it's a friend or family member who is the perpetrator. Just like most aggravated assaults and murders. Just like most pedophiles.

The people you need to protect yourself from most statistically are friends and family. So this Easter when friends and family are visiting, be sure to arm yourself. It's only the safest thing to do.

 

[Hotwire]

Do you know the other military/law enforcement weapons which fire military rounds that have been converted to civilian use? Just about every commonly owned civilian weapon such as a Glock, M1911, pump-action shotgun, and bolt-action rifle. Are you going to have those banned as well?

Those aren't the bread and butter of the infantry.

 

[Hotwire]

Since there's no genetics, how is not being LGBTQ/gender fluid a choice?


With the training i had in the mil, i could easily get off 20 rounds in around 14 seconds from a 9MM, and that was even WITH a magazine quick change. Around the same amount of time i could get of 20 rounds from an M4 on single shot.

I don't know what you're talking about with the genetics comment.

That's all well and good but, my point was that, unlike so many keep saying, the AR/M-series are military weapons.

 

[Webfoot Hero]

Those aren't the bread and butter of the infantry.

Way to move the goalposts there.

 

[Webfoot Hero]

A few people hunting with it and a bit of advertising qualifies it as so? That is like saying Gatorade is used for athletic purposes most of the time.

Just because you don't believe it doesn't mean it's not true. There are plenty of people I know who hunt with one so it's not just limited to those in the articles.

 

[Thundercrack85]

If you need 30 rounds to bring down a rabbit you're doing it wrong.

 

[squeekness]

That's not exactly true:
Here Are 7 Animals Hunters Kill Using an AR-15

AR-15’s for Deer and Hog Hunting? You Bet!

Plus, Colt even marketed the original semi-auto AR-15s from the 60s as hunting weapons:

How much of the deer is left after you shot it? Just the head for a trophy?

 

[Webfoot Hero]

How much of the deer is left after you shot it? Just the head for a trophy?

Actually quite a bit (nice try funny man.) A .223 round is not some monster round that completely obliterates everything in its path. It's actually one of the smallest rounds that can be used in certain states for deer hunting and some states even specify which type of .223 rounds can be used.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Just because you don't believe it doesn't mean it's not true. There are plenty of people I know who hunt with one so it's not just limited to those in the articles.

No. It clearly comes as a question of necessarily of such a weapon for hunting and if it is realistically commonly used for that. Even if you believe the second amendment says anyone can own a gun, we already restrict that. There is nowhere in the second amendment you can own any gun you like. So why must people be allowed to know such a weapon? One so easily modified?

 

[Hotwire]

Way to move the goalposts there.

Tit for tat.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Actually quite a bit (nice try funny man.) A .223 round is not some monster round that completely obliterates everything in its path. It's actually one of the smallest rounds that can be used in certain states for deer hunting and some states even specify which type of .223 rounds can be used.

Maybe I am mistaken, but I believe our beloved Squeeks is a woman.

 

[squeekness]

Maybe I am mistake, but I believe our beloved Squeeks is a woman.

She is.

 

[Webfoot Hero]

Maybe I am mistaken, but I believe our beloved Squeeks is a woman.

And I'm supposed to know that how? Nothing they've said in here has given me what their gender was. Not really sure how that's important to the argument.

 

[Donner]

Wow you got really defensive over that. Darth was just pointing out that squeeks is a woman so you use the proper pronouns when you reply to her.

No big deal.

 

[RetrogradeOrbit]

You know, perhaps we are looking at this all wrong and we should consider handing out to every student, teacher and other staff, full body armour as they come into school?

And yes I am being sarcastic, as the idea of arming teachers is absurdity gone mad.

 

[squeekness]

You know, perhaps we are looking at this all wrong and we should consider handing out to every student, teacher and other staff, full body armour as they come into school?

And yes I am being sarcastic, as the idea of arming teachers is absurdity gone mad.

It is absurd.

 

[Kelly]

And I'm supposed to know that how? Nothing they've said in here has given me what their gender was. Not really sure how that's important to the argument.

He was just letting you know that Squeeks is a woman so that in the future you will know...that's all.

 

[Joeyjojo72]

You know, perhaps we are looking at this all wrong and we should consider handing out to every student, teacher and other staff, full body armour as they come into school?

And yes I am being sarcastic, as the idea of arming teachers is absurdity gone mad.

Plenty of hs seniors who are 18-19. Most with clean records. Dont they have a right to arm themselves for self defense like any other American?