The Trump Thread!!! - Part 1

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[Leafar the Lost]

I really didn't expect Donald Trump to be #1 in the GOP polls, but then I guess I underestimated his effect. He speaks directly to their base very effectively. His years on TV and giving speeches have given him the ability to communicate well. He should do very well in the debates.

The problem is that he is an idiot and his ideas are wrong. The cost of securing the border between Mexico and America would cost many billions. Since he is a Republican, he is unwilling to raise taxes to do it, so where will the money come from? Also, it is illegal immigrants who work in the farms to give us cheap food, and also to build his golf courses.

As a Democrat, Trump is a gift that keeps on giving. He's taking all of the attention away from the other GOP candidates, and also away from Hillary. The Republicans could be hammering away at Hillary for her missing emails, but they are too preoccupied by Trump. I pray he doesn't talk himself out of getting nominated, because some of his statements are crazy. However, it doesn't seem to matter to the base of the GOP...

 

[DJ_KiDDvIcIOUs]

And I just wanna start this thread w/ Trump sucks

 

[InCali]

I really didn't expect Donald Trump to be #1 in the GOP polls, but then I guess I underestimated his effect. He speaks directly to their base very effectively. His years on TV and giving speeches have given him the ability to communicate well. He should do very well in the debates.

The problem is that he is an idiot and his ideas are wrong. The cost of securing the border between Mexico and America would cost many billions. Since he is a Republican, he is unwilling to raise taxes to do it, so where will the money come from? Also, it is illegal immigrants who work in the farms to give us cheap food, and also to build his golf courses.

As a Democrat, Trump is a gift that keeps on giving. He's taking all of the attention away from the other GOP candidates, and also away from Hillary. The Republicans could be hammering away at Hillary for her missing emails, but they are too preoccupied by Trump. I pray he doesn't talk himself out of getting nominated, because some of his statements are crazy. However, it doesn't seem to matter to the base of the GOP...

Some might say that being an idiot would be a hinderance during a debate, but maybe they weren't thinking that Fox would be involved???

My 2 personal favorites debate moments were the Rick Perry and Dan Quayle moments. Rick Perry I'm sure we all remember, but the Lloyd Bentsen - Dan Quayle moment where potatoe head Dan compared himself to John Kennedy was probably even more embarrassing. If you didn't see it, I'm sure it's still out there.....hysterical.

 

[Nokio]

Trump may not be the traditional candidate but the man has personality and character. I think it's unwise to underestimate this man. I can't lie, he has me excited. Making American great again is working and I see why people are going for it. When Trump says things like America loses to everybody, and we don't have victories he's speaking the truth. We do lose to China, and our trade deals are awful and benefits the other countries and the Corporations here. I want out country to win. I know it sounds silly and maybe it's unrealistic a bit but Trump is resonating with people and I see why. A poll is out saying he his support in the black community is 20-25 percent. If this poll is to be believed them the Democrats should be damn worried.

 

[DJ_KiDDvIcIOUs]

The fact the uninformed people like yourself feel they can relate to that human garbage can in anyway scares me. You can't possibly be that naive?

 

[InCali]

Trump may not be the traditional candidate but the man has personality and character. I think it's unwise to underestimate this man. I can't lie, he has me excited. Making American great again is working and I see why people are going for it. When Trump says things like America loses to everybody, and we don't have victories he's speaking the truth. We do lose to China, and our trade deals are awful and benefits the other countries and the Corporations here. I want out country to win. I know it sounds silly and maybe it's unrealistic a bit but Trump is resonating with people and I see why. A poll is out saying he his support in the black community is 20-25 percent. If this poll is to be believed them the Democrats should be damn worried.

I suppose we have very different ideas about what "character" is. If you think Donald Trump isn't pro-corporation and isn't going to cut deals that benefit said corporations (which in turn benefits him), then we also have a different idea about what side of the corporate fence Trump sits on.

 

[Unbreakable Lex]

 

[DJ_KiDDvIcIOUs]

I am just confused that so many people think he will help the 99% in any capacity. It genuinely frightens me that these people are allowed to vote just like the rest of us

 

[Unbreakable Lex]

The fact the uninformed people like yourself feel they can relate to that human garbage can in anyway scares me. You can't possibly be that naive?

I do love how the anti-Trump movement is so damn cocksure they got this guy figured out.

Reminds me of a quote about stupid being cocksure and intelligent being full of doubt...

 

[InCali]

Too funny. I keep seeing Garry Shandling.

Look, nobody knows how this candidacy is going to fall out. The only answer to that question is time will tell. I have a difficult time believing that mainstream America wants this guy to be president once the reality of who he is sets in.

I completely agree with DJ in that I am baffled that some people think he will help middle income Americans. Everything about him screams just the opposite approach.

My take on democracy is that it shouldn't be a crap shoot. If it's going to work, people need to be informed. A great deal, but not all, of our "information" comes from dubious, self interested sources (ie media corporations). Why would we expect them to give us the straight scoop if it isn't in their corporate interest? This complicates finding out just what is happening in our society.

I just don't see Trump "standing up" to corporations.....I see him forming one.

 

[DeadPresident]

I do love how the anti-Trump movement is so damn cocksure they got this guy figured out.

Reminds me of a quote about stupid being cocksure and intelligent being full of doubt...

What's funnier is how cocksure the pro-Trump crowd is.

What makes more sense, believing a 69 year old man is going to keep behaving how he has for his entire life - or that he's suddenly going to change because he's running for president?

Donald Trump isn't a difficult guy to figure out, and he isn't suddenly going to be chumming up to the lower and lower middle class just because he wants to sleep at the white house from now on. The troubling thing is how Trump has gotten so much support from reciting a few Ameri-can bumper stickers and now everyone thinks the leopard has changed it's spots.

But these days, perception > truth.

 

[DeadPresident]

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It feels like I'm in the twilight zone when people want the architect of a smoke and mirrors reality TV show to be their next president. It's like some surreal cumulative zeitgeist experience, like we've gone so far beyond normalcy this is actually what makes sense to people.

"So, probably I'll sue her, because it'll be fun. I'd like to take some money out of her fatass pockets".

This is who people think will be able to have sophisticated conversations with highly educated International heads of state? Oooooookay. The guy used to appear on WWE? I mean...what?

 

[Unbreakable Lex]

You're acting as if Congress, Bush and Obama have been successful and should continue as is. That's insanity according to my pal Albert.

Stop being fearful of the Trump. Embrace him. For he doesn't need to be bribed to hook Wall Street the way Hillary or Jeb SURELY will. Why would he only do good things for the fat cats of Wall Street? He doesn't need anything from them.

 

[DeadPresident]

You're acting as if Congress, Bush and Obama have been successful and should continue as is. That's insanity according to my pal Albert.

Stop being fearful of the Trump. Embrace him. For he doesn't need to be bribed to hook Wall Street the way Hillary or Jeb SURELY will. Why would he only do good things for the fat cats of Wall Street? He doesn't need anything from them.

The naivety of that statement indicates it's futile to even continue engaging you on this. If you're under the impression that because Trump is rich already it means he doesn't have to tow the corporate and big banking line that underpins American politics you're beyond explanations and reason already.

The structure of American democracy is a problem in and of itself, sure, but Trump as a variable in that system would exacerbate its already evident shortcomings.

 

[InCali]

You're acting as if Congress, Bush and Obama have been successful and should continue as is. That's insanity according to my pal Albert.

Stop being fearful of the Trump. Embrace him. For he doesn't need to be bribed to hook Wall Street the way Hillary or Jeb SURELY will. Why would he only do good things for the fat cats of Wall Street? He doesn't need anything from them.

No one says that Congress, Bush, and Obama have been successful and I don't see anyone "acting" as if they were the best things since Greek Yogurt. This is my own political bias, but Bush/Cheney (both of whom used family connections to exempt themselves from active military service) used scare tactics to push us into an unnecessary war that just about killed our economy (which had been doing relatively well under a Clinton administration); not to mention thousands of those in military service (Remember "Mission Accomplished"?). Congress went along with it. Obama post 2010 was systematically and consciously stifled by a legislature with no agenda other than to oppose him. Frankly, Obama "may" have been able to do a better job of working with Repubs, but we'll never know because they absolutely refused to work with him.

None of these people you mention NEED money. You don't know that anyone is going to be bribed. That's a guess/opinion and doesn't necessarily reflect reality. Trump, IMO, is not, never has been, and never will be interested in the needs of the middle class. I'm interested in where people stand on issues and their track record; not guessing whether or not someone will or can be bribed.

 

[summerteeth]

No one says that Congress, Bush, and Obama have been successful and I don't see anyone "acting" as if they were the best things since Greek Yogurt. This is my own political bias, but Bush/Cheney (both of whom used family connections to exempt themselves from active military service) used scare tactics to push us into an unnecessary war that just about killed our economy (which had been doing relatively well under a Clinton administration); not to mention thousands of those in military service (Remember "Mission Accomplished"?). Congress went along with it. Obama post 2010 was systematically and consciously stifled by a legislature with no agenda other than to oppose him. Frankly, Obama "may" have been able to do a better job of working with Repubs, but we'll never know because they absolutely refused to work with him.

None of these people you mention NEED money. You don't know that anyone is going to be bribed. That's a guess/opinion and doesn't necessarily reflect reality. Trump, IMO, is not, never has been, and never will be interested in the needs of the middle class. I'm interested in where people stand on issues and their track record; not guessing whether or not someone will or can be bribed.

a. The Iraq War has nothing to do with the housing bubble bursting and the great recession. While it was bad policy especially how the decisions they made after taking out Saddam.

b. That is really a false narrative that it's a Republican leadership that has stopped bipartisan cooperation. Bob Woodward had access behind the scenes and you cannot read that book and say that Obama isn't at fault for this culture in Washington as well. Just look at when the Tea Party threatened to default, it was Biden who had to come in and negotiate to find a solution after Obama failed at negotiating with Boehner. Also, just look at how the ACA was passed without a single Republican vote, Olympia Snowe was willing to work with them but they decided to go it alone. When on the stimulus bill Cantor rejected about what was in it, Rahm simply told him to keep his no votes to himself. Essentially telling him it doesn't matter what you say I don't care, we can pass it without you. That was the mentality of the Obama administration and it helped create the current gridlock. To say otherwise is blind partisanship.

 

[Matt Mortem]

Obama was a bad politician period. He's an idealist who doesn't know how to play the game. The Republicans didn't make it easy on him, but they couldn't have been that hard to placate.

 

[InCali]

a. The Iraq War has nothing to do with the housing bubble bursting and the great recession. While it was bad policy especially how the decisions they made after taking out Saddam.

b. That is really a false narrative that it's a Republican leadership that has stopped bipartisan cooperation. Bob Woodward had access behind the scenes and you cannot read that book and say that Obama isn't at fault for this culture in Washington as well. Just look at when the Tea Party threatened to default, it was Biden who had to come in and negotiate to find a solution after Obama failed at negotiating with Boehner. Also, just look at how the ACA was passed without a single Republican vote, Olympia Snowe was willing to work with them but they decided to go it alone. When on the stimulus bill Cantor rejected about what was in it, Rahm simply told him to keep his no votes to himself. Essentially telling him it doesn't matter what you say I don't care, we can pass it without you. That was the mentality of the Obama administration and it helped create the current gridlock. To say otherwise is blind partisanship.

Well if you are saying that the war didn't cost tons and tons of money and it didn't matter to the economy whether or not that money was spent there, then we'll have to disagree. The housing bubble (which happened because....???) certainly killed us.

I get that Obama isn't a Richard Nixon/Jimmy Carter/Bill Clinton negotiator and we can disagree on whether or not the ACA was a positive or negative. From one perspective you can be ramming something down someone's throat and from the other no one was willing to work with those pushing the bill (a couple maybe. Snowe being sane).

When someone says the number one priority of my party is to unelect someone, it tells me something; mainly that we'll block everything just to make that person be ineffective. Great strategy. Worked like a charm.....on the we'll do nothing policy side anyway.

 

[summerteeth]

Well if you are saying that the war didn't cost tons and tons of money and it didn't matter to the economy whether or not that money was spent there, then we'll have to disagree. The housing bubble (which happened because....???) certainly killed us.

I get that Obama isn't a Richard Nixon/Jimmy Carter/Bill Clinton negotiator and we can disagree on whether or not the ACA was a positive or negative. From one perspective you can be ramming something down someone's throat and from the other no one was willing to work with those pushing the bill (a couple maybe. Snowe being sane).

When someone says the number one priority of my party is to unelect someone, it tells me something; mainly that we'll block everything just to make that person be ineffective. Great strategy. Worked like a charm.....on the we'll do nothing policy side anyway.

The war did cost tons of money but it did not matter to the economy in the short term nor was it one of the causes to the recession nor did it hinder the response to the recession. one trillion dollar stimulus, TARP etc. So no, while bad policy while adding to the debt which may talk about long term impacts on the economy it didn't have anything to do with the recession.

Snowe herself felt that she did not have any real input on the negotiations and that's why she ended not supporting the ACA. She went home listened to what her constituents said brought those concerns to the table and they dismissed them so she walked. If you can't work with Snowe on something you aren't going to be able to get much done in a bipartisan fashion.

Sure, I'm not saying the Republicans hands are clean on this one, but Obama and his administration are equally responsible. I would argue that Woodward even goes further in his book and places most of the blame on the Obama Administration and I don't think anyone has done a more detailed examination of the back room dealings of the Obama Administration than Woodward did.

 

[DJ_KiDDvIcIOUs]

I do love how the anti-Trump movement is so damn cocksure they got this guy figured out.

Reminds me of a quote about stupid being cocksure and intelligent being full of doubt...

So you're going to tell me the guy who has all of these other billionaires on speed dial is going to crack down on them because of his value of the little guy? You must be delusional

The war did cost tons of money but it did not matter to the economy in the short term nor was it one of the causes to the recession nor did it hinder the response to the recession. one trillion dollar stimulus, TARP etc. So no, while bad policy while adding to the debt which may talk about long term impacts on the economy it didn't have anything to do with the recession.

You can't possibly believe this statement

 

[Smashlilman]

So you're going to tell me the guy who has all of these other billionaires on speed dial is going to crack down on them because of his value of the little guy? You must be delusional



You can't possibly believe this statement

To be honest Trump is a populist and not a Republican. He believes he'll make more money if people have more money to spend at his hotels and casinos. Right now Donald Trump is like a billionaire version of Lou Dobbs. That's kind of the reason he was Democrat originally.

 

[Unbreakable Lex]

So you're going to tell me the guy who has all of these other billionaires on speed dial is going to crack down on them because of his value of the little guy? You must be delusional

You seem to have issues with the idea that other people have different points of view than yourself.

I believe Trump has many flaws. I believe there are many reasons to not want to vote for him. However, I'd be willing to bet that Clinton and Bush have more billionaires on speed dial than Trump.

Ask yourself this, why would Trump finance his own campaign to become President if it was just to make sure the status quo is maintained?

He's not running for President to keep his buddies rich. He's running for President to keep himself rich, to boost his ego and other narcissistic things. He doesn't need to run for President to make money or to maintain his wealth. He's running because his ego is telling him he's got a shot and that he can really make change. He's in his legacy years, he wants to leave a good legacy. So don't think for a minute that any of these candidates are here just to maintain the status quo. Your idea that he wants to keep his rich fat cats rich IS THE STATUS QUO.

So for that reason, my fears of him doing what most in this thread "know" he'll do aren't that high. I think he legitimately wants the challenge of fixing America in the way he thinks it should be fixed. I think he does want to help the middle class. He's got hotel rooms to fill and the 1% simply isn't enough.

 

[DJ_KiDDvIcIOUs]

You seem to have issues with the idea that other people have different points of view than yourself.

I believe Trump has many flaws. I believe there are many reasons to not want to vote for him. However, I'd be willing to bet that Clinton and Bush have more billionaires on speed dial than Trump.

Ask yourself this, why would Trump finance his own campaign to become President if it was just to make sure the status quo is maintained?

He's not running for President to keep his buddies rich. He's running for President to keep himself rich, to boost his ego and other narcissistic things. He doesn't need to run for President to make money or to maintain his wealth. He's running because his ego is telling him he's got a shot and that he can really make change. He's in his legacy years, he wants to leave a good legacy. So don't think for a minute that any of these candidates are here just to maintain the status quo. Your idea that he wants to keep his rich fat cats rich IS THE STATUS QUO.

So for that reason, my fears of him doing what most in this thread "know" he'll do aren't that high. I think he legitimately wants the challenge of fixing America in the way he thinks it should be fixed. I think he does want to help the middle class. He's got hotel rooms to fill and the 1% simply isn't enough.

You make valid points but I go by what he has done in the past and they way he is presenting himself now. None of which are what I want out of a president. He pulls these stunts because he doesn't want to talk policy, specifically so that if he actually does get elected he can do whatever the hell he wants without being accountable to anyone. And you're right that he wants to "fix" America in his own twisted way but the America he lives in and the one you and I live in are vastly different my friend. He wouldn't have any idea about the struggle of the common man or how to help him

 

[Unbreakable Lex]

You make valid points but I go by what he has done in the past and they way he is presenting himself now. None of which are what I want out of a president. He pulls these stunts because he doesn't want to talk policy, specifically so that if he actually does get elected he can do whatever the hell he wants without being accountable to anyone. And you're right that he wants to "fix" America in his own twisted way but the America he lives in and the one you and I live in are vastly different my friend. He wouldn't have any idea about the struggle of the common man or how to help him

I've watched Presidential hopefuls stump for votes for over 20 years now. It's all the same. There was a report that Yahoo news just came out with basically pointing out that Republican Presidential Candidates tax reforms, such as what Jeb is proposing, benefit the rich. Shocker right? But guess how the 1% has done under Obama:

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/t...-2014-despite-new-obama-taxes/article/2567217