The Horror Thread - Part 3

[Ant-manic]

Yeah, Carpenter wanted an exciting twist so that's why they became siblings and it set the whole hunting down the family thing.

I think it's more effective.

i like the twist. it gives more meaning to Halloween H2O.

 

[Heretic]

I don't see much appeal in a masked, unstoppable killer without motivation. We have sooooo many of those already. One could argue that a better motivation could be created...yet so few slasher killer creators ever bother to give them one.

 

[Astro13Zombie]

In the original Halloween Laurie wasn't Michael's sister and his victims were seemingly random (actually Laurie stopping by the Myer's place probably had something to do with).

That's why I said the original series.

His first and only victim until he escaped as an adult was his older sister.
He killed her and then when into the catatonic state that we saw him in when his parents get home.
Then when he escapes,Loomis knows that he's headed home.
And then his sister's grave stone goes missing.

So while it might not of been planned from the beginning or explicitly stated,it wasn't hard to make it seem like Michael was primarily focused on family.
And it was only part 2 before they did.

The only person that Michael killed in the first movie that wasn't connected to Laurie in some way was the guy he got the boiler suit from.

I agree that it makes it much more creepier to not know the killer's motive. Fits in more with him being some evil supernatural force instead of something which we can understand.

That's the main problem I had with Rob Zombie's movies.
He gave Michael way too much of a motive.
...And a lame one at that.

 

[CountOrlok]

Yeah, Carpenter wanted an exciting twist so that's why they became siblings and it set the whole hunting down the family thing.

I think it's more effective.

That wasn't the idea behind the first movie, though. It was invented purely for the sequel.

I don't see much appeal in a masked, unstoppable killer without motivation. We have sooooo many of those already. One could argue that a better motivation could be created...yet so few slasher killer creators ever bother to give them one.

Really? Because I can't think of any.

That's why I said the original series.

His first and only victim until he escaped as an adult was his older sister.
He killed her and then when into the catatonic state that we saw him in when his parents get home.
Then when he escapes,Loomis knows that he's headed home.
And then his sister's grave stone goes missing.

So while it might not of been planned from the beginning or explicitly stated,it wasn't hard to make it seem like Michael was primarily focused on family.
And it was only part 2 before they did.

The only person that Michael killed in the first movie that wasn't connected to Laurie in some way was the guy he got the boiler suit from.

He only went after Laurie because she stopped by the Myer's house to drop off some keys. If he knew she was his sister, how could he have known what she looked like?

Loomis knew where he was headed because logically where else would he go?

As for the grave stone, have no idea about that.

 

[Heretic]

You can't think of any masked, unstoppable slasher killers who have no motive or a flimsy motive? You must not watch many slasher movies.

 

[CountOrlok]

You can't think of any masked, unstoppable slasher killers who have no motive or a flimsy motive? You must not watch many slasher movies.

Well a lot have flimsy motives, unless you talking about some obscure title that I haven't heard of.

The original Black Christmas, the killer had no motive (as far as I know).

 

[Heretic]

I'm talking about the dozens of slasher movies released every year.

I agree that the more story they added to Halloween, the more it went off the rails, but something is better than the nothing I usually see.

 

[CountOrlok]

I'm talking about the dozens of slasher movies released every year.

Yeah, slasher movies probably inspired by Halloween to begin with.

I agree that the more story they added to Halloween, the more it went off the rails, but something is better than the nothing I usually see.

Carpenter's original concept was superb, and executed brilliantly. The sequel shoehorned it in to add some plot twist.

That's why I discount all the sequels.

 

[Astro13Zombie]

I can't stomach anything after part 2.

Usually if I own one or two films from a series,I like to get the rest just to have a complete collection.
Even if the movies aren't that great.

Halloween 4-8 though?
My hatred for them overpowers my completist OCD.

 

[Ant-manic]

just my opinion, but i think some of you are mistaking Michael's goal of killing off his family members for motive. in the first two movies, we had no friggin idea why he killed his older sister and returned to kill Laurie. that's what is creepy. it's not about revenge. he wasn't rejected beneath the bleachers. no one lopped his mom's head off. he just walked out of that hospital to finish a job.

 

[Ant-manic]

I can't stomach anything after part 2.

Usually if I own one or two films from a series,I like to get the rest just to have a complete collection.
Even if the movies aren't that great.

Halloween 4-8 though?
My hatred for them overpowers my completist OCD.

i can empathize with that. but i still enjoy 1, 2, and H20 as a complete story; ending with Laurie taking his head off. i don't even like Jamie Lee Curtis. but i rooted for her when she picked up that axe and closed the security gate to the private school. it felt like a story coming full circle.

 

[Heretic]

I do agree that, in the case of Halloween...and Halloween alone...it was cool to just have him be The Shape...just evil in the form of a person. When Rob Zombie tried to add to that it took something away...just the feel of the character. Hmm...maybe I'm not sold on the Halloween backstory thingy after all.

 

[CountOrlok]

just my opinion, but i think some of you are mistaking Michael's goal of killing off his family members for motive. in the first two movies, we had no friggin idea why he killed his older sister and returned to kill Laurie. that's what is creepy. it's not about revenge. he wasn't rejected beneath the bleachers. no one lopped his mom's head off. he just walked out of that hospital to finish a job.

But if he's only after specific people (IE: his family) and only killing other people that get in his way, then it isn't as scary.

 

[Thundarr]

It appears as though 'Halloween 3D' is about to go ahead, finally.

No details as of yet, but I'm not sure how I feel about this.

If this is gonna be another sequel to Rob Zombie's piece of s**t remakes, I say "No thanks".

 

[Thundarr]

i can empathize with that. but i still enjoy 1, 2, and H20 as a complete story; ending with Laurie taking his head off. i don't even like Jamie Lee Curtis. but i rooted for her when she picked up that axe and closed the security gate to the private school. it felt like a story coming full circle.

Agreed, except I do like Jamie Lee Curtis.

 

[KevanG]

I hated the RZ Halloween but I loved the original two though. I didn't even bother with the sequel to RZs. It's kinda funny, I've seen all the Freddy movies including the remake, all the Jason but the remake and all the Halloween but the third and the remake sequel. I find these horror remakes are pretty bad. The only ones that I can really find 'decent' is the Texas Chainsaw ones.

 

[Thundarr]

I hated the RZ Halloween but I loved the original two though. I didn't even bother with the sequel to RZs. It's kinda funny, I've seen all the Freddy movies including the remake, all the Jason but the remake and all the Halloween but the third and the remake sequel. I find these horror remakes are pretty bad. The only ones that I can really find 'decent' is the Texas Chainsaw ones.

I'm kinda the same way. I gave the remakes a chance, because occasionally you get a remake that is as good if not better than the original.

Texas Chainsaw Massacre was pretty good, except for the fact that they either glossed over or completely omitted the whole cannibalism aspect of the story.

A Nightmare On Elm Street wasn't bad except for them rewriting Freddy's origins, and implying that he may have been innocent.

Friday The 13th was boring as hell. The only thing I liked about it was Derek Mears' performance as Jason.

Rob Zombie's Halloween remakes were as bad as remakes can possibly be. Thank God I didn't pay any actual money to see them.

 

[KevanG]

I liked the new NOES except for them shoving the molester part to the forefront of the story and concentrating on that as much as anything else. I always figured he was and that was part of what he did. The original films never said much about it and that was fine.

For the TCM movies they did gloss it over a bit but really what else were they gonna do?

I liked Rob Zombies House of 1000 corpses but the rest of his movies were terrible and way over the top on everything.

 

[Lord]

I think one of the NoES reboot's biggest problem was the lack of imagination when it comes to dreams.

 

[KevanG]

That's true. Where before they had comic book superheroes and giant snakes eating people, now we have... the past with a guy in his speedos, the past some more, a school and the boiler room.

 

[Teelie]

The NOES reboot suffered from "dark gritty reboot-itis". Everything must be ultra dark and set up as an origin story. You can't expect the audience to understand without an origin story.

 

[KevanG]

Freddy vs Jason did Freddys origin in 2-3 minutes and it was awesome!

Out of all the horror movies I've seen I think that was the one I was most looking forward to, just because it had been teased for years then postponed, rewritten, ect. until everyone thought it would never come out. It wasn't the best but it was stupid fun.

 

[Teelie]

Freddy vs Jason did Freddys origin in 2-3 minutes and it was awesome!

Out of all the horror movies I've seen I think that was the one I was most looking forward to, just because it had been teased for years then postponed, rewritten, ect. until everyone thought it would never come out. It wasn't the best but it was stupid fun.

That was before it was fashionable to do dark gritty reboot origin stories that had to detail why the main character(s) were who/what they were.

Now and days we can't see someone just kick ass or kill without knowing their deepest, darkest secret origins, negating any mystique or question as to their motive.

 

[KevanG]

If they've been established characters for twenty years or more and are carrying the movie by themselves like Spider-Man or Freddy then the origin, if any, should be 20-30 minutes max then onto the rest of the movie.

 

[Teelie]

I don't think we need it even for characters that well established. But Hollywood is obsessed with it now. If you don't have an origin story then you're missing out on the revenue of an entire movie right there.