The Avengers The "I Believe In Mark Ruffalo!" Support Thread

[Spider-Vader]

During the fight with the Avengers, Hulk should be trying to protect civillians from the chaos going on. Which would cause the Avengers to see that Hulk is a good guy.

 

[Gamma Goliath]

Yeah. I agree. Good way to show hulk isn't a brute.

 

[Hoblin]

But what would he say that wouldn't make it sound funny? He has such a thunderous and hard voice. Him talking normally with that tone but with dialogue instead wouldn't seem right. He's this huge brute and suddenly he's talking full sentences. I don't think that works as well as one would imagine.

And we don't know the budget for this yet. No doubt there will be alot of CG, and Hulk will just be one of those things. On film, it's about the anticipation and the building up to Banner turning into Hulk. It becomes tired if he's there all the time. He's this huge spectacle that could be just there and wasteful in money if he's there most of the time. For money reasons, you could just as easily give these lines to Banner. We could see Hulk's personality, no argument there, but I'm just being a realist. Hulk just walking aroudn all calm and cool and interacting with the team all the time seems like a waste of money. Hulk is an action componant on film, but it never hurts to show his personality of course, which we did see, just not as much as people would have liked.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J5HJogYwVNo

Best stuff ever. And it shows that he doesn't really have to be all calm and cool and interact with the team. He never really loses his rage, interacts with the team OK, shows he wants to help and saves a puppy. Doesn't seem silly to me.

 

[Khemik@L]

I like this tye of character for the Hulk. He uses sarcasm which shows he is not stupid:

Avengers: Earth's Mightiest Heroes

 

[MadVillainy]

I dont think him not talking is a sign of stupidity.

I think the best way they show his intelligence is how he fights like in TIH when he was trying to block the army's fire he used those 2 metal plates and then used them again to block the sonic cannon thing. To me that proved he wasnt an idiot

 

[Doctor Jones]

What khemil showed is how I'd like to see Hulk. That's a pretty great way to do it. He wasn't talking in full sentences which is good but he showed his intelligence with that great line and using the missile launcher then throwing it. Great stuff. Spider-Vader has a good idea too.

That one video Hoblin posted has him talking too much. Like him saying, "puppy" and he talks a little too much.

 

[Khemik@L]

What khemil showed is how I'd like to see Hulk. That's a pretty great way to do it. He wasn't talking in full sentences which is good but he showed his intelligence with that great line and using the missile launcher then throwing it. Great stuff. Spider-Vader has a good idea too.

That one video Hoblin posted has him talking too much. Like him saying, "puppy" and he talks a little too much.

Yea I'm really looking forward to this cartoon. It looks like a cool teaser to the Avengers.

 

[JeetKuneDo]

But what would he say that wouldn't make it sound funny? He has such a thunderous and hard voice. Him talking normally with that tone but with dialogue instead wouldn't seem right. He's this huge brute and suddenly he's talking full sentences. I don't think that works as well as one would imagine.

Here's where I'm hoping some smart director is able to ask, "why should his voice only be thunderous and hard all the time? My voice is different when I'm angry from when I'm calm".

Short-sighted filmmakers have not been able to make the Hulk into a real character so far because they seem to think he's one-dimensional.

And we don't know the budget for this yet. No doubt there will be alot of CG, and Hulk will just be one of those things. On film, it's about the anticipation and the building up to Banner turning into Hulk. It becomes tired if he's there all the time. He's this huge spectacle that could be just there and wasteful in money if he's there most of the time. For money reasons, you could just as easily give these lines to Banner. We could see Hulk's personality, no argument there, but I'm just being a realist. Hulk just walking aroudn all calm and cool and interacting with the team all the time seems like a waste of money. Hulk is an action componant on film, but it never hurts to show his personality of course, which we did see, just not as much as people would have liked.

Hence the problem with the Hulk character and why they should perhaps forget about it for a while until it becomes affordable to make it right. If they keep doing it wrong they could permanently damage the character in the public consciousness.

The Avengers movie could be the best thing to happen to him. Surely there cannot be enough screen time to devote to the usual Bruce Banner angst that normally dominates the story. t:

 

[TX85]

During the fight with the Avengers, Hulk should be trying to protect civillians from the chaos going on. Which would cause the Avengers to see that Hulk is a good guy.

Indeed!

 

[Obi-Ron]

The Avengers movie could be the best thing to happen to him. Surely there cannot be enough screen time to devote to the usual Bruce Banner angst that normally dominates the story. t:

This, and the fact that he will finally be featured in a movie directed by an American comic book reader, gives me hope for Hulk's portrayal in Avengers.

 

[Doctor Jones]

Here's where I'm hoping some smart director is able to ask, "why should his voice only be thunderous and hard all the time? My voice is different when I'm angry from when I'm calm".

Short-sighted filmmakers have not been able to make the Hulk into a real character so far because they seem to think he's one-dimensional.



Hence the problem with the Hulk character and why they should perhaps forget about it for a while until it becomes affordable to make it right. If they keep doing it wrong they could permanently damage the character in the public consciousness.

The Avengers movie could be the best thing to happen to him. Surely there cannot be enough screen time to devote to the usual Bruce Banner angst that normally dominates the story. t:

Just visually as we see him on film, it seems uneccessary to have him talk all the time and with a softer voice. If they are keepig continuity with Hulk's look, imagine that look with a softer voice when he's talking. I think Hulk should say less with words and do more in action where we see his personality and intelligence. He only speaks when he wants or needs to. Now that Avengers cartoon was a good example at how they should do him in Avengers. So I agree with that.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

During the fight with the Avengers, Hulk should be trying to protect civillians from the chaos going on. Which would cause the Avengers to see that Hulk is a good guy.

This is pretty much the least I am expecting, Thor or Iron Man hitting Hulk, he crashes into a building and saves some civilians from the debri sort of like he did with Betty and the helicopter in TIH.

 

[Norm3]

But what would he say that wouldn't make it sound funny? He has such a thunderous and hard voice. Him talking normally with that tone but with dialogue instead wouldn't seem right. He's this huge brute and suddenly he's talking full sentences. I don't think that works as well as one would imagine.

And we don't know the budget for this yet. No doubt there will be alot of CG, and Hulk will just be one of those things. On film, it's about the anticipation and the building up to Banner turning into Hulk. It becomes tired if he's there all the time. He's this huge spectacle that could be just there and wasteful in money if he's there most of the time. For money reasons, you could just as easily give these lines to Banner. We could see Hulk's personality, no argument there, but I'm just being a realist. Hulk just walking aroudn all calm and cool and interacting with the team all the time seems like a waste of money. Hulk is an action componant on film, but it never hurts to show his personality of course, which we did see, just not as much as people would have liked.

The Abomination talking seemed fine to me, why is it a problem for the Hulk?

 

[Marvel Spider]

I like this tye of character for the Hulk. He uses sarcasm which shows he is not stupid:

Avengers: Earth's Mightiest Heroes

I liked how they portrayed him here.

 

[S.A.A.D.]

I would like to see Mark's Hulk as a mix of Gray Hulk and the original Hulk,he can be super smart through actions like Joe fix it Hulk,but not be too bright when it comes to socializing like the original Hulk.

 

[JeetKuneDo]

The Abomination talking seemed fine to me, why is it a problem for the Hulk?

Because of this:

Once an idea about a character enters the pop consciousness, it's tough to get rid of it.

 

[Obi-Ron]

They got over Adam West as Batman, they can get over mute Hulk.

 

[Norm3]

Because of this:

Once an idea about a character enters the pop consciousness, it's tough to get rid of it.

You've got that right. Thats all of what most people know about the Hulk.

 

[ArtTeacher]

I love how people are talking out of both sides of their mouth about this.

First, it's the Hulk TV show from 28 years ago single handedly infected the public consciousness to the point that it's the only version of the Hulk they'll ever accept.

And then it's about how the Hulk TV show had terrible ratings, had a tiny audience, and was seen by very few.

Um...yeah. You can't have it both ways, gents.

Listen to Obi-Ron: "They got over Adam West as Batman, they can get over mute Hulk."
The first Batman movie came 21 years after the TV show.
The Hulk TV show has been off the air for almost 30 years.

The TV show made the Hulk way more popular--not with the small demographic of comic fans, but the world, in general--the ones that didn't know what a "Spider-Man" was or a "Fantastic Four". It's not memories of the TV show that leaves a bad taste in people's mouths, it's the cinematic diarrhea that Ang Lee left us in 2003.

 

[Doctor Jones]

The Abomination talking seemed fine to me, why is it a problem for the Hulk?

I didn't like him talking that much. But since it was between Blonsky and Banner, Blonsky is the cockier one so he would talk more. I still didn't care for the voice that much. I just think Hulk is this powerful looking visual image on film and should be saves for speech only when he wants to. Him constantly saying things kind of takes away that visual for me.

 

[VenomVsSpidey]

it's the cinematic diarrhea that ang lee left us in 2003.

gtfo.

 

[ArtTeacher]

gtfo.

Oh no! The 1% is speaking up.
Try going to a mall, an airport, an amusement park, or a grocery store and asking 20 random people what they thought about Ang Lee's Hulk.

You'll be saying, "GTFO" a lot.

 

[JeetKuneDo]

I love how people are talking out of both sides of their mouth about this.

First, it's the Hulk TV show from 28 years ago single handedly infected the public consciousness to the point that it's the only version of the Hulk they'll ever accept.

And then it's about how the Hulk TV show had terrible ratings, had a tiny audience, and was seen by very few.

Um...yeah. You can't have it both ways, gents.

Listen to Obi-Ron: "They got over Adam West as Batman, they can get over mute Hulk."
The first Batman movie came 21 years after the TV show.
The Hulk TV show has been off the air for almost 30 years.

The TV show made the Hulk way more popular--not with the small demographic of comic fans, but the world, in general--the ones that didn't know what a "Spider-Man" was or a "Fantastic Four". It's not memories of the TV show that leaves a bad taste in people's mouths, it's the cinematic diarrhea that Ang Lee left us in 2003.

It had average ratings...not great, not "terrible". It was not a huge hit.

Are you implying that a person has to actually watch a show to be aware of it and its main qualities? Seeing ads for various shows has made me aware of all the shows I don't watch. I know that "reality TV" means cameras following people around in their houses or on an island somewhere. I know that American Idol is all about pop singing and little else. I know Paula Abdul was the nice one, and the British guy was the mean one. (I've never watched one second of American Idol)

Going back in time, I know a lot about Miami Vice even though I never saw the show. (pop music, famous guest stars, bad wardrobes, beard stubble) Where I picked this up, I don't know. It's called "pop culture".

How long ago was the Wonder Woman TV show? If you think the public's perception of that character isn't still rooted in that TV show, you are kidding yourself.

All you had to do was be around when Ang's movie came out and hear people saying, "Why is he flying?". Where exactly do you think that came from?

And here today, even though we have had countless characters in movies who were "monstrous" and could talk....we have people claiming the Hulk is a big exception to this. There was even a monstrous character in the last Hulk movie that could talk! The audience didn't laugh, they didn't giggle, they didn't roll their eyes.

So where do you think this idea comes from? The comics?

 

[C. Lee]

gtfo.

Oh no! The 1% is speaking up.
Try going to a mall, an airport, an amusement park, or a grocery store and asking 20 random people what they thought about Ang Lee's Hulk.

You'll be saying, "GTFO" a lot.

It would be best if no one said GTFO.....this is a place for EVERYONE to discuss things. If you don't agree with what someone else says...you can tell them civily.

 

[wobbly]

The Hulk's talking in the 'Planet hulk' animation worked fine, and as JeetKuneDo noted, a monstrous character talking is not without precedent.

There's no reason why he couldn't talk more on film. It's just been the 'creative' decision of the director and writers to have him mostly grunt.