The Avengers The "I Believe In Mark Ruffalo!" Support Thread

[Dark Raven]

Speaking of which, I honestly wonder as to how something like recasting this role would affect someone in the position of Louis Leterrier's in regards to when it comes towards planning the sequel?lol

I mean, correct me if I'm wrong, but the director is usually the one that chooses the actor that'll portray his/her protagonist within their film, so given that it wasn't his choice to pick Mark to portray the character, I honestly wonder as to how they're supposed to go about the whole process when the time comes (if it ever does) for planning to make Hulk's second solo adventure.

Provided there is even a 2nd solo adventure, either Letterier will adapt or Marvel will hire a different director (which is more likely). Shane Black has to adapt to Iron Man, given that he wasn't the one who picked Downey Jr in the first place and wasn't the original director. Anyone (including Letterier) coming on board the 2nd TIH movie will have that in mind from the start that they're just there to do the directing job and not necessarily to pick actors.

 

[kedrell]

I'd prefer someone other than Letterier. I've got nothing against the guy but he's not much of an actor's director the way that Favreau & Branagh are.

 

[Mrs. Sawyer]

Plus, it was Norton who had a bigger effect on the movie both in front of and behind the camera than Letterier.

 

[TheVileOne]

I remember reading that Ed Norton and Tim Roth did the motion capture for Incredible Hulk. Was that inaccurate?

 

[WildcatNC]

I remember reading that Ed Norton and Tim Roth did the motion capture for Incredible Hulk. Was that inaccurate?

They did a version of but not to the level that Ruffalo will, on the level of Avatar mocap.

 

[Cracker Jack]

I remember reading that Ed Norton and Tim Roth did the motion capture for Incredible Hulk. Was that inaccurate?

That's what gets me about what Ruffalo is saying. Ang did the mocap in Hulk if I remember correctly. So how is he the first to play the Hulk?

 

[Alientraveller]

Ang Lee: Played the Hulk on a mo-cap stage.
Tim Roth: Likewise for Abomination.
Norton: Had his face scanned and provided video reference but did no mo-cap.

I wonder if Ruffalo will play the Hulk on location, with the mo-cap suit. Weta is already breaking ground by having Serkis wear a mo-cap suit on location for Rise of the Planet of the Apes, it's pretty difficult though hiding the motion capture cameras from the view of the DP's camera.

 

[TheVileOne]

Also . . . Lou Ferrigno. Does Ruffalo mean the first actor to play both Hulk and Banner and apparently VOICE Hulk as well?

 

[WildcatNC]

Norton did the MoCap but they used the suit to digitally recreate the Hulk based off of Nortons movements after the shots. It was added.

With Avengers he is wearing the suit but the Hulk will already be designed and filmed as Ruffalo moves. Its not added digitally afterwards. Like Avatar its full on, including facial features, in the moment capture and acting. Its not constructed digitally afterwards.

At least this is what I understand them to have said. Maybe someone with more filming knowledge can chime in.

 

[kedrell]

Using the Avatar technology is exactly what I was hoping for. How else are we going to get a really believable performance out of a CGI construct? And a really believable performance is what I hope everyone wants. Time for Hulk to finally be a character rather than just a special effect.

 

[WildcatNC]

Using the Avatar technology is exactly what I was hoping for. How else are we going to get a really believable performance out of a CGI construct? And a really believable performance is what I hope everyone wants. Time for Hulk to finally be a character rather than just a special effect.

Agreed.

 

[antonydelfini]

Agreed. Hulk shouldn't be a special effect or an instrument for action scenes, he should be a character.

 

[terry78]

That all depends on who is doing the fx work for this one.

 

[Gamma Goliath]

Ilm most likely?

 

[Sarg92]

That's what gets me about what Ruffalo is saying. Ang did the mocap in Hulk if I remember correctly. So how is he the first to play the Hulk?

For Ang Lee's Hulk, Ang did the motion capture but only for body movements and I think the facial capture was key animated by ILM after using some reference footage from Bana.

For TIH, Norton had all his facial features/expression captured by one technology and then the body movements were captured using motion capture technology. He never really gave a full performance as Hulk due to the technology used and a body movement coach was also used to do the motion capture for Hulk.

Now from what Ruffalo has said, it seems that the same performance capture tech developed for Avatar will be used in The Avengers. This means that Ruffalo can give a full performance as Hulk as his facial and body movements will be captured at the same time; his entire performance will be captured not just certain body movements.

So in a way, he is going to be the first actor to do full performance capture as Hulk.

 

[Brian Braddock]

The Bond films have always been cast by EON, irrespective of the director that is helming the movie of the time; dont see why MARVEL should be any different.

 

[Herolee10]

Given all of these new and drastic modifications they're giving the Hulk's character now, why do I get the strange feeling that they might just treat it that the Avengers is the first time that Bruce is introduced into the MCU and recton the events of TIH?

 

[jadejaws]

Given all of these new and drastic modifications they're giving the Hulk's character now, why do I get the strange feeling that they might just treat it that the Avengers is the first time that Bruce is introduced into the MCU and recton the events of TIH?

I've been thinking this for awhile now....

 

[Spider-Fan]

They included clips from TIH in IM2. They're not retconning it. Cap is getting a new costume. Doesn't mean they're retconning Cap. It's just a new design.

 

[Herolee10]

They included clips from TIH in IM2. They're not retconning it. Cap is getting a new costume. Doesn't mean they're retconning Cap. It's just a new design.

1. Wasn't IM2 being filmed though back at the time when they were still under the impression that Norton was still on board for the Avengers. Heck, if you look at the SHIELD vault special within the Blue Ray discs, you'll see Norton's version of Bruce Banner listed within it.

If anything, they could very well change the circumstances and say that the Hulk had attacked the campus but not under the same circumstances as how it was presented in TIH..so putting it lightly, they could just borrow certain elements from the TIH's storyline without actually making it canon if they want to.


2. He may be getting a new costume but unlike the Hulk, it's still the same actor playing Steve Rogers, and the change in costume is directly related to the fact that Steve is present in modern day and no longer in the 40's.

 

[Spider-Fan]

1. Wasn't IM2 being filmed though back at the time when they were still under the impression that Norton was still on board for the Avengers. Heck, if you look at the SHIELD vault special within the Blue Ray discs, you'll see Norton's version of Bruce Banner listed within it.

If anything, they could very well change the circumstances and say that the Hulk had attacked the campus but not under the same circumstances as how it was presented in TIH..so putting it lightly, they could just borrow certain elements from the TIH's storyline without actually making it canon if they want to.


2. He may be getting a new costume but unlike the Hulk, it's still the same actor playing Steve Rogers, and the change in costume is directly related to the fact that Steve is present in modern day and no longer in the 40's.

Rhodey was played by a different actor in IM2. Doesn't mean what Howard's Rhodey did didn't happen. This is just another actor offering his own interpretation of Banner (like Cheadle did in replacing Howard) and the approach to the Hulk's design/look is modified. There is nothing wrong with that and it doesn't indicate a retcon of anything.

People need to not get so hung up on slight alterations when recasts happen. No 2 actors play a character the same way. No 2 actors see the character the same way. Whoever replaces RDJ's Stark later on will do it his way. That won't necessarily mean RDJ's Stark didn't happen.

 

[Herolee10]

Rhodey was played by a different actor in IM2. Doesn't mean what Howard's Rhodey did didn't happen. This is just another actor offering his own interpretation of Banner (like Cheadle did in replacing Howard) and the approach to the Hulk's design/look is modified. There is nothing wrong with that and it doesn't indicate a retcon of anything.

People need to not get so hung up on slight alterations when recasts happen. No 2 actors play a character the same way. No 2 actors see the character the same way. Whoever replaces RDJ's Stark later on will do it his way. That won't necessarily mean RDJ's Stark didn't happen.

True, that is one great way of putting it.

I'm just a little incensed by the fact that out of all of the MCU films we've had, it seems like the events of TIH will have the littlest impact/connection going into the Avengers film, especially when you compare it to the likes of Thor and CA's films.

 

[Spider-Fan]

But it makes sense for it to be less connected. Cap, Thor, and Iron Man are the big 3 Avengers. Above all other Avengers ever, they are the most imporant. They effect what goes on with the team more than anyone. They're the most connected to that world. It only makes sense that they're tied to it more than the Hulk, who by his nature is seperated from everyone in many ways. He's prob seen as a threat to the Avengers at first, too.

TIH showed us that Hulk is not evil, but he is seen that way. The gov't sees him as a threat. In this world, the Avengers are tied to SHIELD, thus connected to the gov't. While story elements may not have much carry over, how the Hulk is perceived is carrying over.

 

[Herolee10]

Well the thing that drew me into Bruce's/Hulks' character from seeing TIH is that I really enjoyed the aspect of him being presented as the reluctant/unexpected Hero (given his circumstances), and how he's going to have to eventually rise up from that complex in order to help save the world.

In some ways, his journey is similar to that of Steve's when it comes to the whole "underdog" factor.

And unlike Thor/CA/IM, we have visual items or factors/characters that reminds us about their solo films, and even with Don Cheadle playing Rhodes, we still had a lot of footage and visual materials from IM1 to help us link to them, whereas with Mark's Hulk, unless he makes a direct reference to the events of TIH, it'll be like seeing his character for the first time from the GA's POV.

 

[Spider-Fan]

Well the thing that drew me into Bruce's/Hulks' character from seeing TIH is that I really enjoyed the aspect of him being presented as the reluctant/unexpected Hero (given his circumstances), and how he's going to have to eventually rise up from that complex in order to help save the world.

In some ways, his journey is similar to that of Steve's when it comes to the whole "underdog" factor.

And unlike Thor/CA/IM, we have visual items or factors/characters that reminds us about their solo films, and even with Don Cheadle playing Rhodes, we still had a lot of footage and visual materials from IM1 to help us link to them, whereas with Mark's Hulk, unless he makes a direct reference to the events of TIH, it'll be like seeing his character for the first time from the GA's POV.

But that doesn't mean anything is retconned. That just means people are going to have to accept that in the Avengers film, Norton is not Banner. No different than any recast.