The Avengers The "I Believe In Mark Ruffalo!" Support Thread

[Spider-ManHero12]

What Whedon has stated in an old Wizard Magazine article, was that he didn't get the appeal of the Hulk, that he didn't find him visceral, or something to that effect.

As you can tell I'm not too thrilled with the idea he's directing the movie.

While he did state that, I have a feeling his thoughts have change since then. It happens.

Didn't Zack Sndyer not have alot of interest in Superman before being handed the directors job for Man Of Steel?

 

[Gamma Ra]

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Unfortunately Obi-Ron this is what Whedon once stated. I remembered it because I desperately wanted him to write the Hulk, figuring he would bring a different aspect to the character, upon reading this, I abruptly added him to my list of writers, along with Millar and Bendis, who should NEVER go near anything Hulk.

^Holy crap! He really said that? Anyone know where this quote or interview can be found?

It was in an old Wizard Magazine article. I gave all my Magazines away so I don't have access to it. Maybe ArtTeacher has it. I've seen him quote from Wizard before, or someone else.

Hopefully, his views on that matter has changed since then since given on how we've heard everyone saying on how each main Avenger has their shining moments in this film, along with how Mark has described his character thus far and that we know the Hulk will be a hero/Avenger in this film instead of main menace, perhaps it's given more room to the possibility of exploring the character in ways that the previous films haven't so far.

Heck, up until this point, the Hulk has ONLY been portrayed as a beast that's been a menace to the US Government, along with hints of him being a reluctant/unexpected hero...so it'd be nice to see more layers of the character and something fresh for once.

My understanding of Whedon's comment is that he thinks that Hulk is nothing more than a beast, and that's why he doesn't find him visceral. I really don't think he knew much about the character at the time of the comment in the Magazine and the two movies and the television version of the Hulk probably didn't make matters better, but let's hope that's changed.

While he did state that, I have a feeling his thoughts have change since then. It happens.

Didn't Zack Sndyer not have alot of interest in Superman before being handed the directors job for Man Of Steel?

Can you please post the article if you have it Spider-ManHero? I hope his thoughts have changed drastically.

As far as your Zak Snyder comment...the movie The Man of Steel remains to be seen. Zak's issue with Superman was that he found him boring, not so much that he didn't get the gist of the character. And hell...I like Zak's movies.

 

[TheVileOne]

While he did state that, I have a feeling his thoughts have change since then. It happens.

Didn't Zack Sndyer not have alot of interest in Superman before being handed the directors job for Man Of Steel?

How can we really believe that. From Spider-Man 3 it is clear Raimi's negative thoughts on Venom never changed, even though he sort of lied and said they did.

 

[Gamma Ra]

How can we really believe that. From Spider-Man 3 it is clear Raimi's negative thoughts on Venom never changed, even though he sort of lied and said they did.

To be fair, Raimi had much invested in the Spider-Man trilogy, Snyder didn't have to take the job at all, so it's possible.

 

[TheVileOne]

So . . . Whedon doesn't have much invested in the Avengers movie?

Listen I'm not saying Whedon will do a bad job. I just don't think you know those strong, rooted opinions people have on characters really change. I think people in general don't change very much at all.

 

[Gamma Ra]

So . . . Whedon doesn't have much invested in the Avengers movie?

Listen I'm not saying Whedon will do a bad job. I just don't think you know those strong, rooted opinions people have on characters really change. I think people in general don't change very much at all.

Well, generally speaking, I tend to agree.

 

[wobbly]

My understanding of Whedon's comment is that he thinks that Hulk is nothing more than a beast, and that's why he doesn't find him visceral. I really don't think he knew much about the character at the time of the comment in the Magazine and the two movies and the television version of the Hulk probably didn't make matters better, but let's hope that's changed.

As I understand the definition of the term thinking the Hulk is 'not visceral' is the opposite of thinking him just a beast.
Maybe Whedon said he thought him too visceral?

Whatever the case, his thinking would be supported based on what live action efforts have been done so far: None have attempted to portray the Hulk's personality well, unfortunately preferring to present the Hulk as little more than a beast.

The comics offer a more complex character to play with, and hopefully Whedon will understand and explore that.

 

[Gamma Ra]

As I understand the definition of the term thinking the Hulk is 'not visceral' is the opposite of thinking him just a beast.
Maybe Whedon said he thought him too visceral?

Whatever the case, his thinking would be supported based on what live action efforts have been done so far: None have attempted to portray the Hulk's personality well, unfortunately preferring to present the Hulk as little more than a beast.

The comics offer a more complex character to play with, and hopefully Whedon will understand and explore that.

This is why I wish someone would post the article. It was over 5 years ago and I can't quote it exact, but the lasting impression he gave me was that he didn't understand what fans saw in the Hulk as a character. Not so much that Hulk himself wasn't visceral, which is why with his statement I know he doesn't know the character at all, but that Whedon himself couldn't relate to him.

I think the majority of comic book writers and even the general audience think that Hulk is a creature that just gets mad a tears things up. My views comes from years of seeing Hulk poorly written in crossovers and from debating with other posters who may know of the character, but don't know the character. Marvel Comics themselves have ruined many fine directions that good creative writers have taken Hulk in favor of a less intelligible Hulk. Hulk has a history of sound evolution and psychology. The idea of the least intelligent Hulk, Savage, is that he's simple (not that he's dumb and can't learn) he's painfully honest to himself and others and views the world like a child, but he's far from stupid and can clearly verbally express himself, naive...Yes, but he's far from a stupid animal.

Hopefully Whedon's read Len Wein's, Bill Mantlo's, Peter David's, and Greg Pak's Hulk runs for an excellent selection of Banner and Hulk sources.

 

[Gamma Goliath]

If anyone has seen the latest episode of the avengers: earths mightiest heroes , the relationship between cap and hulk is what I want to see in avengers.

 

[TheVileOne]

That would be cool to see but I'm not holding my breath .

 

[Gamma Goliath]

Yeah tell me about it. But since the hero aspect of hulk is supposed to be shown, we may have hope.
I literally had a huge grin on my face when I saw that scene.

 

[Obi-Ron]

I haven't seen it, what happened?

 

[Gamma Goliath]

There's a scene were cap and hulk are fighting together, and cap basically tells the hulk that he's been watching him over time, and that he doesn't believe hulk is a monster but he believe that hulk is a hero.

 

[MadVillainy]

which episode?

 

[Gamma Goliath]

Today's episode.

 

[TikkiEXX]

todays episode? oh crap! forgot to record it!

 

[Gamma Goliath]

It was pretty good one IMO.

 

[BigThor]

There's a scene were cap and hulk are fighting together, and cap basically tells the hulk that he's been watching him over time, and that he doesn't believe hulk is a monster but he believe that hulk is a hero.

That scene was ace, I hope something similar happens in the Avengers movie.

 

[Gamma Goliath]

Absolutely, I hope whedon is paying attention to this show.

 

[BigThor]

Me too, hopefully he pays close attention to Hulk's portrayal because it was awesome.

 

[ArtTeacher]

It was in an old Wizard Magazine article. I gave all my Magazines away so I don't have access to it. Maybe ArtTeacher has it.

I don't have it, my friend.

I think the majority of comic book writers and even the general audience think that Hulk is a creature that just gets mad a tears things up. My views comes from years of seeing Hulk poorly written in crossovers and from debating with other posters who may know of the character, but don't know the character. Marvel Comics themselves have ruined many fine directions that good creative writers have taken Hulk in favor of a less intelligible Hulk. Hulk has a history of sound evolution and psychology. The idea of the least intelligent Hulk, Savage, is that he's simple (not that he's dumb and can't learn) he's painfully honest to himself and others and views the world like a child, but he's far from stupid and can clearly verbally express himself, naive...Yes, but he's far from a stupid animal.

Great points, as usual. Everyone knows of the character, but not everyone really understands him (especially if most of their exposure comes from when he guest-stars in other titles...I find that when that happens, he's written as a plot-device, not a character).

 

[HUMANIMAL]

new hulk concept art?

 

[Dark Raven]

First off, why does Hulk look like a genie with all that vapor coming out the bottom of him, as if he just materialized from a lantern?

And second, I don't like the look of that Hulk at all. His head looks too small and he's far too veiny.

 

[Obi-Ron]

Plus he has the abs of an underwear model. And don't get me started on the nips.

 

[Obi-Ron]

So anyway, I was trying to look up that wizard article but I had no luck. I did find this interview from last year's SDCC, it gives me some hope:

Joss Whedon: "To me, I wanted Mark because he connects with you. He is a guy who you feel that he is you and he reaches out to you in a way that I don't feel the performances as Banner have really done. And this also has to do with the way the narrative works, but I feel I wanted to come at Banner and The Hulk visually from a new place. And I wanted somebody that had the quality that Mark has which is somebody who has taken hits from life but is not defined by that. He's taken a hit and he stood back up. He's not thinking about himself necessarily. Mark is a very giving guy and actor. When he looks at me onscreen I'm like, 'That's me. That's the guy.' And he's like that as a person. And just talking to him about The Hulk I learned so much more about the character of Bruce Banner than I had ever even thought of. It was an instinct I thought no one would support. The studio were completely into it. Robert Downey Jr was super supportive. And you know everybody welcomed him into the fold and I was so excited because, to me, he's going to be the first Banner."