The Flash The Iris West/Candice Patton Thread

[Mysteryman]

When it comes to walking into Star Labs with a sense of entitlement, I think General Eiling is a much bigger offender than Iris.

 

[Avenging Angel]

Ok then rant about Barry, or Joe etc, they dont always take responsibility for their actions and words.

Barry takes the blame for everything lol Joe hasn't had faux pas after faux pas like Iris. At least Joe has a skill. Hijacking Manson's question then calling it gumption is not a skill. Writers really need to fix her in S2.

 

[aNarcHy2day]

When it comes to walking into Star Labs with a sense of entitlement, I think General Eiling is a much bigger offender than Iris.

You may be right but we are supposed to despise Eiling and this helps. Iris, we're supposed to side with.

 

[Mysteryman]

And we still can side with Iris ,
if f we have a proper understanding of her role .
I think people have misunderstood Kreisbergs comments .
Its not like she is taking over Star Labs .

 

[Eni]

And we still can side with Iris ,
if f we have a proper understanding of her role .
I think people have misunderstood Kreisbergs comments .
Its not like she is taking over Star Labs .

I don't think it has much to do with people not understanding her role as it has been so far but with the writers and possibly Patton doing a pretty crappy job at making people want to side with her.

 

[Frodo]

As long as they have her doing something beyond being stuck in love triangles and actually is given a purpose and an important dynamic to the team, she should be able to win the audience back.

That's assuming the writers are really serious about fleshing out her character and making her more independent, as opposed to using the STAR Labs angle as an excuse to exploit the whole , " Now we work together, but there are feelings!" trope. That would back fire if that's the purpose of her being part of the team.

 

[batdude]

Look, I think the writing is somewhat off at times, but Candice is a good actress and this show needs characters that aren't scientists or cops to balance it out.

 

[Frodo]

Candice is fine as an actress. The problem has always been the writing of her character in particular. Everyone else has been written pretty well, even Linda and Eddie. I don't know why they had such an issue with writing the Iris character in particular. That said, this is a new season which , in alot of ways, can start with a clean slate.

They now know what works and what doesn't . The show, for the most part, had a great first season , and it the CW tropes that received the most criticism. I see this new move as a sign that they've heard the criticism, and are taking the character in a newer positive direction.

 

[Avenging Angel]

As much as I want to like her as an actress I get Kristen Stewart vibes from her delivery. Especially in the scene where Barry confessed his feelings. She struggles with emotion.

 

[batdude]

Oh brother. Candice is a better actress than Kstew. That scene was written for BARRY to confess his feelings. Don't think the writers had made up their mind how Iris felt.

 

[Paradox1]

I would disagree Kristen Stewart is a bad actress. I thought she was really good in Still Alice and I haven't seen it but I hear she is solid in American Ultra as well.

 

[Frodo]

I think they always wanted to go the " I like him, but I don't realize it yet" route. The problem was, they wanted to rush the romance, and were heavy handed with it, instead of just letting things play out naturally over a couple of seasons and allowing the characters to see other people and explore other options.

 

[Avenging Angel]

^ And they're gonna ride that trope until they get together.

 

[metaphysician]

The problem isn't that they want a "I love him, but I don't admit it" romance. Its that they basically didn't come up with anything for Iris to do *but* engage in the romance plot, which they handled badly. I don't think anybody would complain nearly as much about their ill-handled romance if Iris had a strong character of her own, with goals and interests and activities of her own, which didn't entirely revolve around ( not ) advancing her romance plot.

 

[Avenging Angel]

It's Lana and Laurel all over again.

 

[fangirl]

Love Iris and her portrayer Candice!!

 

[Batsfan1]

The problem isn't that they want a "I love him, but I don't admit it" romance. Its that they basically didn't come up with anything for Iris to do *but* engage in the romance plot, which they handled badly. I don't think anybody would complain nearly as much about their ill-handled romance if Iris had a strong character of her own, with goals and interests and activities of her own, which didn't entirely revolve around ( not ) advancing her romance plot.

She did. She had her blog. Her reporting job. Her relationship with her father. But if that was the issue then why do people complain about other things about her?

God bless you! God bless everyone in your life!

 

[Batsfan1]

As much as I want to like her as an actress I get Kristen Stewart vibes from her delivery. Especially in the scene where Barry confessed his feelings. She struggles with emotion.

Why would she show strong emotions there? She, at least at the time, didn't have full romantic feelings for him. Why should she be strongly emotional about Barry being in love with her?

God bless you! God bless everyone in your life!

 

[Batsfan1]

Candice is fine as an actress. The problem has always been the writing of her character in particular. Everyone else has been written pretty well, even Linda and Eddie. I don't know why they had such an issue with writing the Iris character in particular. That said, this is a new season which , in alot of ways, can start with a clean slate.

They now know what works and what doesn't . The show, for the most part, had a great first season , and it the CW tropes that received the most criticism. I see this new move as a sign that they've heard the criticism, and are taking the character in a newer positive direction.

What was the problem with her writing?

God bless you! God bless everyone in your life!

 

[Frodo]

What was the problem with her writing?

God bless you! God bless everyone in your life!

I've written tons of posts on the issues I had with how the writers wrote her character since the beginning of season one, so you'll have to go back and look them up.

As far as i'm concerned , the second season is a clean slate and i'm gonna wait to reserve judgment as far as how her character is written this season. I see her joining STAR labs as a potentially positive development for her character, so I'm actually very much in favor of it.

 

[Mysteryman]

I agree that She is a fine actress.
But, they sort of locked the Character of Iris in a box by keeping her out of the loop as long as they did.

 

[Loki882]

And pulling the whole "we have to lie to her in order to protect her" nonsense. Lord do I HATE that cliché with the burning passion of a thousand white-hot suns. And it didn't even work, which is doubly irritating. And then even the way that she found out was lame.

 

[Frodo]

And pulling the whole "we have to lie to her in order to protect her" nonsense. Lord do I HATE that cliché with the burning passion of a thousand white-hot suns. And it didn't even work, which is doubly irritating. And then even the way that she found out was lame.

Its an old superhero clique which is usually tied with the " no one can know who I really am" trope which most of the superhero films and tv shows today have abandoned. The MCU, ASM films, and DC films have both moved away from that trope anyway, and the X Men films didn't even bother with it. Even Arrow got rid of it.

Smallville and the Raimi Spiderman films are what they were trying to go for as far as that trope goes. We'll have to see how or if Supergirl goes down the same route.

 

[Batsfan1]

Its an old superhero clique which is usually tied with the " no one can know who I really am" trope which most of the superhero films and tv shows today have abandoned. The MCU, ASM films, and DC films have both moved away from that trope anyway, and the X Men films didn't even bother with it. Even Arrow got rid of it.

Smallville and the Raimi Spiderman films are what they were trying to go for as far as that trope goes. We'll have to see how or if Supergirl goes down the same route.

It's a necessity with them, but arrow held that into season 3 and with the reasons not making sense in season 2. But even spiderman had every main character know his identity by the end of the second movie. And every live action batman movie since 1989 has had his love interest learn his identity, unless they already knew it, except for batman & robin.

God bless you! God bless everyone in your life!

 

[Loki882]

Its an old superhero clique which is usually tied with the " no one can know who I really am" trope which most of the superhero films and tv shows today have abandoned. The MCU, ASM films, and DC films have both moved away from that trope anyway, and the X Men films didn't even bother with it. Even Arrow got rid of it.

Smallville and the Raimi Spiderman films are what they were trying to go for as far as that trope goes. We'll have to see how or if Supergirl goes down the same route.

I'm aware of the trope. My point was that it's an annoying/tedious/unnecessary one. His villains, of the general public not knowing, fine I can get that. But the people closest to him, no they should know imo. And it's extra ludicrous in this case because:

-Joe.
-Cisco.
-Caitlin.
-Thawne/Wells.
-Barry's Dad.
-Captain Cold.
-Gen. Eiling.
-Oliver Queen.
-The Arrow crew (Diggle, Felicity, Laurel, Diggle's wife, etc).
-Ray Palmer.
-Malcolm Merlyn (apparently).
-Bug-Eyed Bandit.
-Etc.

ALL knew before she did.