The Jared Leto is The Joker(?) Thread

[hellblazer103]

Sweet! Looking forward to it! t:

I tried to put the laugh in , I really did, but the audio from the video drowned out the music that I set to it. I hope it's still enjoyable for ya, though.

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[Wildcard]

I tried to put the laugh in , I really did, but the audio from the video drowned out the music that I set to it. I hope it's still enjoyable for ya, though.

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Laugh or no laugh, I think that's a pretty good edit. I liked it. Good job! t:

And Boom, I meant obvious in the sense that it's the most likely place for Joker to appear next. Jared may be busy now, but he's stated a litany of times he'd love to play the character again so I can't imagine he'd turn the opportunity should it present itself.

 

[Guts]

A rumor I heard is that Joker is going to be in this movie and Ben Affleck decided to get rid of the tattoos. [BLACKOUT]Joker will have a Glasgow smile as a reference to the Dark Knight. Remember those rumors about Joker being an ex-Robin? In The Batman we will actually get to see how Joker got his scars.[/BLACKOUT]

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[Wildcard]

I can't help but doubt the validity of that last bit of the statement.

 

[TheVileOne]

You can't just get rid of tattoos.

 

[StarLord]

Laser removal.

Although it still leaves a mark, depending on how many treatments you've had.

 

[Rodrigo90]

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[Wildcard]

You can't just get rid of tattoos.

Yeah, that's why I don't believe there's any truth to that rumor, especially the whole bit about making him look more like Ledger as a reference to TDK.

Why would they reference another continuity? That would've been like making Ledger's Joker look more like Nicholson as a reference to B'89.

 

[Tacit Ronin]

The Joker is smart. They were temporary tattoos.

 

[shauner111]

I'm pretty sure Tacit was joking Wildcard.

 

[Wildcard]

Ah, okay. My mistake then.

 

[Tacit Ronin]

I'm pretty sure Tacit was joking Wildcard.

...What?

 

[Guts]

I'm pretty sure Tacit was joking Wildcard.

That's lowercase to you.

 

[Rorschach2012]

There's two?

 

[Wildcard]

I didn't notice that until now either.

 

[Guts]

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The fourth season of Batman would have revealed that the Joker episodes actually take place in the future and whenever Robin is in a Joker episode he's actually Batman's imagination. Batman clearly gave the Joker his scars when Robin caught that bat-rope with his mouth.

 

[TheVileOne]

Just say this wasn't the real Joker and start from scratch. This was a fake, pretender Joker. Or Jason Todd driven bad and becoming a new version of the Joker.

So in a way, Jason Todd's identity was dead and ceased to exist by becoming imitation Diet Joker. In a way, this "Joker" did kill and murder Jason Todd, from a certain point of view.

 

[The Joker]

They can't really do that because they showed this Joker in the Harley Quinn origin scenes. It would be even more stupid to say a pretender Joker created Harley and that's who she's in love with.

 

[TheVileOne]

They can't really do that because they showed this Joker in the Harley Quinn origin scenes. It would be even more stupid to say a pretender Joker created Harley and that's who she's in love with.

These films contradict each other all the time. Sir Arthur Conan Doyle contradicted story elements introduced in Sherlock Holmes numerous times.

Also, the revision here would be the genuine Joker did not have a hand in this Harley Quinn's origin, such is life.

IMHO, it was stupid to have Scott Lang be the modern Ant-Man and change Hank Pym into an old man. Janet Van Dyne is now meanwhile lost in the micro-verse, and Hope Van Dyne is apparently becoming the Wasp. Hope, NOT Janet. Hope Van Dyne who was a villain in MC2 and never in regular 616 continuity. But they still did all that.

I'm just thinking of ways to course correct an awful interpretation of Joker.

Also, isn't the plan for Harley Quinn to become a vigilante herself? She can't keep hanging around Joker and be his lover if that's the case.

 

[Boom]

Making Leto a fake Joker would be flat-out stupid. Nevermind the fact that they would never throw Leto and Ayer under the bus like that, but to have anyone other than the real Joker create Harley Quinn, and to have her in love with anyone other than the real Joker, is sacrilegious.

If you want to recast the part and completely revamp the design and characterization to something more traditional, that's fine. I welcome it. But I'd rather they simply ignore his portrayal in Suicide Squad instead of trying to explain it away with such convoluted nonsense.

 

[TheVileOne]

Making Leto a fake Joker would be flat-out stupid. Nevermind the fact that they would never throw Leto and Ayer under the bus like that, but to have anyone other than the real Joker create Harley Quinn, and to have her in love with anyone other than the real Joker, is sacrilegious.

versus what exactly? The disappointing, flat-out stupid version of the Joker we ended up with?

Many believe they did throw Leto under the bus with the way his character turned out.

As for what character creates who, that changes all the time in these movies. You know who created Ultron in the comics? Hank Pym. In the movies? It was Tony Stark. Sacrilege indeed.

My point is this. What we view as sacred parts of these characters are changed constantly in the movies. Not to mention the DCEU has already dramatically altered many elements of these characters that some consider sacred.

I could just as easily argue that Leto's Joker was sacrilege as well. I'm simply giving a scenario to course correct an awful version of the character.

If you want to recast the part and completely revamp the design and characterization to something more traditional, that's fine. I welcome it. But I'd rather they simply ignore his portrayal in Suicide Squad instead of trying to explain it away with such convoluted nonsense.

How is ignoring it any better?

 

[Boom]

Because you at least give Ayer and Leto their take on the character, for good or bad. Simply ignoring it and reinventing the character as they see fit can be chalked up to artistic differences between filmmakers. In short, it's the more polite version of course correction. Affleck wanted a different version of the character. Boom. Easy. But changing the character, and then going out of your way to be like "Oh yeah guys, so not only is this Joker completely different, but Leto's Joker wasn't even the Joker at all!" is not only convoluted, but it's a slap in the face to Ayer and Leto. You're kidding yourself if you think the studio would seriously, realistically explore that option, especially when they're still on good working terms with Ayer.

Sorry, Vile. I hated Leto's take, but this is a stupid idea. I'd rather not see the Joker in the DCEU again than have to put up with such silliness.

 

[redfirebird2008]

Just say this wasn't the real Joker and start from scratch. This was a fake, pretender Joker. Or Jason Todd driven bad and becoming a new version of the Joker.

So in a way, Jason Todd's identity was dead and ceased to exist by becoming imitation Diet Joker. In a way, this "Joker" did kill and murder Jason Todd, from a certain point of view.

That's the ultimate insult to this version of the Joker.

 

[Boom]

It sucks being a Joker fan right now, to be sure. I doubt they'll recast the role, unless Leto refuses to come back. And unless Leto is open to playing the character a different way moving forward, I'd rather they not feature the character again. I can't take another film with this disaster.

 

[redfirebird2008]

You're right they still would of needed to have died. I still think downing jr should of gotten best supporting actor for tropic thunder over ledgers joker in 08 but again all this is subjective

RDJ was his typical sarcastic, funny *****e bag in Tropic Thunder. Ledger completely transformed and showed a side of his personality no one knew existed...so much so that people were 100% against him when he was cast in the role and he changed their minds with his performance.