Joker "The Joker" in development with Todd Phillips and Martin Scorsese attached? - Part 2

[FunkMiller]

You mean besides the 3 movies that are part of that universe that were also hits? You mean besides all the films coming out in the future?

It was a nice try, but you need to give up the ghost.

Well, thanks for the non answer, written only to score points - for some reason I can’t be bothered to fathom.

My point is that if Joker is a success, surely it would show that the shared universe concept is no longer necessary going forward, and that they can allow film makers more freedom with their projects.

 

[Boom]

Well, thanks for the non answer, written only to score points - for some reason I can’t be bothered to fathom.

My point is that if Joker is a success, surely it would show that the shared universe concept is no longer necessary going forward, and that they can allow film makers more freedom with their projects.

They've already made that determination.

 

[Rorschach2012]

I’d love to see an out of continuity R rated Batman movie with a healthy dose of horror.

 

[Micromind]

From Pattinson interview. His comments about Joker is interesting. Probably has nothing to do with the future of The Batman.

“Pattinson won’t say whether he’s committed to additional “Batman” movies. “I don’t know anything,” he says. “I’ve got an idea how to do about four scenes, and then I’m working on the rest gradually.” At one point in our conversation, he offers a mundane comment about Joaquin Phoenix, who stars in “Joker” (a movie he hasn’t seen yet), before asking to retract it. “Oh s—,” he says, adding that he’s not accustomed to thinking about spoilers. “I definitely should not say that. I’m so used to pretty art-house movies, where you can watch the movie three times and still not know what it’s about.”

It has nothing to do with Batman, he accidentally spoiled the ending of Joker (or some vital plot point) to the person conducting the interview, nothing more.

 

[Ravagex]

I strongly hope that there wont be a sequel, maybe Phoenix to reject it if it ever happens. This movie was a critical success, let it stand as a stand-alone pedestial of victory for DC fans.

I mean jesus christ, Joker gained a higher score than Avengers Endgame in some big review sites. This is too much of a legend to mess with.

 

[TheSmoothKnight]

“This feels tone-deaf in a time where mental illness is being wrongly linked to mass violence in the US. The film is aware enough to draw from great films about toxic masculinity and loneliness, but not enough to critique Arthur’s behaviour instead of painting him as a helpless loner driven to violence by forces out of his control.“

Sadly, we’re probably going to see more reviews like this. SMH

 

[Micromind]

If Joker does not act like a Joker from comics, then what's even the point of making a movie about him, then it's just Joker in name only.

 

[Gothamsknight]

They can do both (Else-worlds and DCEU movies).

For now, all DCEU movies can be considered as stand alone movies even if they exist in a shared universe.

That's what I want honestly. The goal should be to make GOOD films about these characters first. Connecting them shouldn't be the goal when making a film about, say, Batman.

 

[BaelaTargaryen]

‘It: Chapter Two’ Is Fandango’s Best Selling Horror Movie – Deadline

In addition, a recent Fandango survey of more than 1,000 chose It: Chapter Two as the top film they want to see for the September through end-of-November period, followed by Warner Bros’ Joker.

Below are the results of the survey in full:

Top Ten Most Anticipated Fall Movies

It: Chapter Two
Joker
Frozen II
Terminator: Dark Fate
Zombieland: Double Tap
Maleficent: Mistress of Evil
A Beautiful Day in the Neighborhood
Downton Abbey
Charlie’s Angels
Ad Astra

Top Ten Most Anticipated Fall Female Performances

Linda Hamilton (as Sarah Connor in Terminator: Dark Fate)
Angelina Jolie (as Maleficent in Maleficent: Mistress of Evil)
Jessica Chastain (as Beverly Marsh in It: Chapter Two)
Emma Stone (as Wichita in Zombieland: Double Tap)
Maggie Smith (as Violet Crawley in Downton Abbey)
Michelle Pfeiffer (as Queen Ingrith in Maleficent: Mistress of Evil)
Emilia Clarke (as Kate in Last Christmas)
Natalie Portman (as Lucy Cola in Lucy in the Sky)
Kristen Stewart (as Sabina Wilson in Charlie’s Angels)
Jennifer Lopez (as Ramona in Hustlers)

Top Ten Most Anticipated Fall Male Performances

Tom Hanks (as Fred Rogers in A Beautiful Day in the Neighborhood)
Joaquin Phoenix (as Joker in Joker)
Arnold Schwarzenegger (as The Terminator in Terminator: Dark Fate)
Woody Harrelson (as Tallahassee in Zombieland: Double Tap)
Will Smith (as Henry Brogan / Junior in Gemini Man)
Bill Skarsgard (as Pennywise in It: Chapter Two)
Brad Pitt (as Roy McBride in Ad Astra)
Sylvester Stallone (as Rambo in Rambo: Last Blood)
Bill Hader (as Richie Tozier in It: Chapter Two)
Matt Damon (as Caroll Shelby in Ford v. Ferrari)

Most Anticipated Pairings

Matt Damon & Christian Bale (in Ford v. Ferrari)
Joaquin Phoenix & Zazie Beetz (in Joker)
Jessica Chastain & James McAvoy (in It: Chapter Two)
Angelina Jolie & Elle Fanning (in Maleficent: Mistress of Evil)
Luke Wilson & Woody Harrelson (in Zombieland: Double Tap)

 

[dhandler01]

Well, thanks for the non answer, written only to score points - for some reason I can’t be bothered to fathom.

My point is that if Joker is a success, surely it would show that the shared universe concept is no longer necessary going forward, and that they can allow film makers more freedom with their projects.

So they should do what they already said they were doing?

I am not trying to "score points" whatever that means. I have just seen you (and a few others) do this in threads for other movies.

Shazam was in the shared universe...didnt stop Sandberg from telling the story he wanted to tell. WW84 is in a shared universe, didnt stop Jenkins from all accounts. Aquaman directly references Justice League and is still its own story. You can have both.

 

[TMP98]

Back to 85% now that Ehrlich's review's been added

 

[Rod]

Its really interesting that Joker is leading both Fipresci and Russian critics reviews grades. In the Italian, the difference to Polanski was only 0.4, but counting with those others, Joker is leading. Any other grades did leak?

 

[Hollis Mason]

I think it will end in 85% and Average Score around 8.2 or 8.5. Or maybe like Once Upon a Time in Hollywood around 7.9.

 

[TheSmoothKnight]

Are there any other positive reviews from the festival that hasn’t been added yet? I thought there were a couple of them.

 

[Hollis Mason]

This looks like it will become the next Clockwork Orange and Fight Club. GREAT reviews, but also some BAD reviews. The reception from the festival is great and the good reviews are just too good. A Cult movie, maybe.

 

[Hollis Mason]

Are there any other positive reviews from the festival that hasn’t been added yet? I thought there were a couple of them.

Some. Daily Mail and Stardust megazine. And also some others. Many 5/5.

 

[TheSmoothKnight]

Back to 85% now that Ehrlich's review's been added

Yeah, we all knew his review was going to be rotten because of the fear of someone copying the Joker’s violence in the real world.

 

[FunkMiller]

They've already made that determination.

Have they? Seems like the DCEU rolls on with more movies... hence why I asked the question as to whether that’s the right strategy if Joker knocks it out of the park. They seem to be doing both things at the moment?

 

[Boom]

Have they? Seems like the DCEU rolls on with more movies... hence why I asked the question as to whether that’s the right strategy if Joker knocks it out of the park. They seem to be doing both things at the moment?

And they can. You asked if they realized that a shared universe isn't necessary, and they've already decided that. Just look at Joker and Reeves' standalone Batman film. Look at Hamada's own comments on the subject. Just because a shared universe isn't necessary doesn't mean they can't pepper a movie in here and there.

They're gonna do what they're gonna do. No sense getting hung up on it.

 

[Hollis Mason]

Do you guys think this movie could win the golden lion?

 

[Boom]

Nope. Too mainstream for the win.

 

[Brother Jack]

This looks like it will become the next Clockwork Orange and Fight Club. GREAT reviews, but also some BAD reviews. The reception from the festival is great and the good reviews are just too good. A Cult movie, maybe.

If it's anything like Fight Club, it will have a lot of viewers appreciating it for the wrong reasons.

 

[Hollis Mason]

Nope. Too mainstream for the win.

It may be mainstream but its getting far more praise there than almost every movie besides Polanski's new film.

 

[daddydivine]

Nope. Too mainstream for the win.

I think this movie wins all the awards. It seems to be the high brow entertainment that the academy assumes mainstream movies are destroying. They'll be quick to use this movie as the gold standard for comicbook movies and how The Joker is saving real cinema.

 

[Guts]

If it's anything like Fight Club, it will have a lot of viewers appreciating it for the wrong reasons.

The same can be said for A Clockwork Orange. Kubrick had the movie banned in the UK due to copycat crimes.
Why 'A Clockwork Orange' was Banned...by Stanley Kubrick Himself