Joker "The Joker" in development with Todd Phillips and Martin Scorsese attached? - Part 2

[BatLobster]

Ironically the backlash to the movie kind of highlights why The Joker is such a terrific villain. There is something alluring and seductive about him, no matter how depraved his actions are. It's why the Harley Quinn character exists. He essentially radicalized her. And the rapid radicalization of youth today is a very hot button issue today for very understandable reasons. The reasons for the backlash are actually very predictable and understandable. Where I take issue with it, is it basically arguing against the role of art to create something challenging, with subtleties and layers to it because of a fear that some idiots will miss the layers and take it the wrong way. Like with Fight Club. That movie did spawn a whole subculture of people who missed the point, either wittingly or unwittingly. So that kind of thing is not unprecedented at all.

I think that is where you start running into problems, because it's like negotiating with terrorists. Should we only make films that we arbitrarily feel the troubled people in our society will be able to handle without snapping and acting out? How do you even quantify that? The answer is simply, you can't.

What I'll say though is while it was a beautifully made movie, for me it also solidified my feeling that The Joker works best as Batman's foil. That dynamic and balance between the two is where the real magic is. And it's why I came out of the film dreaming of seeing Phoenix in a future Batman movie some day. I desperately wanted to see Batman bring him down.

 

[The Endless]

I think you have to consider that Joker has always had quite a few crazy fans. Ledger's Joker had all these weirdos coming out of the woodwork saying he was right and justified etc.

The character in his fictional world attracts the crazies... and he attracts the crazies in the real world too.

I guess the only aspect of the film that could be deemed "dangerous" is how he is hailed as some kind of god or hero at the end. But the film makes it so clear that he is a total fantasist, that nothing we see can be trusted. Plus his rampage isnt for some higher cause. It isnt him railing against society as a principle. It's all to do with him. His revenge. The injustices against him. He doesn't give a **** about anyone else's plight. He's a pure narcissist.

 

[Kane52630]

I'd like to give a quick shout out to Christina Applegate.

@Sawyer

 

[GREEN =w= DAY]

The media's blatant disappointment at this movie not inspiring the next mass shooting that they are all eager to report on is more distasteful than anything in the movie.

This!

The media was expecting something terrible to happen and it didn’t. Now they are grasping at straws trying to find other things to tear this movie apart. It’s quite pathetic

 

[Prettyricky]

The media's blatant disappointment at this movie not inspiring the next mass shooting that they are all eager to report on is more distasteful than anything in the movie.

Its quite clear they wanted a new incident to report on, if anyone was baiting or egging on someone to do something it was clearly the media in this case. My theater was nice and quiet and even a few shocked sounds throughout.

 

[Prettyricky]

I think you have to consider that Joker has always had quite a few crazy fans. Ledger's Joker had all these weirdos coming out of the woodwork saying he was right and justified etc.

The character in his fictional world attracts the crazies... and he attracts the crazies in the real world too.

I guess the only aspect of the film that could be deemed "dangerous" is how he is hailed as some kind of god or hero at the end. But the film makes it so clear that he is a total fantasist, that nothing we see can be trusted. Plus his rampage isnt for some higher cause. It isnt him railing against society as a principle. It's all to do with him. His revenge. The injustices against him. He doesn't give a **** about anyone else's plight. He's a pure narcissist.

I heard people saying how he was hailed as a god at the end but by that point those suffering in gotham were desperate for a beacon of hope or a symbol and joker just happened to be there. Batman always provided that hope in films weve seen but this time its joker.

 

[Gothamsknight]

I'd like to give a quick shout out to Christina Applegate.

@Sawyer

haha i knew this was coming!

 

[Micromind]

I heard people saying how he was hailed as a god at the end but by that point those suffering in gotham were desperate for a beacon of hope or a symbol and joker just happened to be there. Batman always provided that hope in films weve seen but this time its joker.

Have you seen the movie ? People of Gotham were at the tipping point, they were just waiting for someone it could have been any other person if not Arthur Fleck, for the Gotham City to descend into chaos.

The City is hardly a model city, the movie makes this clear even before Joker arrives on scene. He is not providing them any hope, he is just giving them means to express their anger.

 

[HBarnill]

I still would rather live in that Gotham than in Burton’s (first) Gotham or Snyder’s Gotham. Those places were Hell as a city.

 

[TheFuture]

The media's blatant disappointment at this movie not inspiring the next mass shooting that they are all eager to report on is more distasteful than anything in the movie.

That's how much of the media operate; they live in hope bad things will happen, because otherwise they're stuck for content and can't justify their professional existence.

Shootings and terrorism will mean they won't have to worry about what content is going to fill those pages for months, especially when the perpetrators fit a profile that's easy to vilify. That's usually regardless of the wider consequences for a community.

It's sickening.

 

[Prettyricky]

Have you seen the movie ? People of Gotham were at the tipping point, they were just waiting for someone it could have been any other person if not Arthur Fleck, for the Gotham City to descent into chaos.

The City is hardly a model city, the movie makes this clear even before Joker arrives on scene. He is not providing them any hope, he is just giving them means to express their anger.

Yes hence I said at the end of movie they followed him so easily as a symbol.

 

[Prettyricky]

I still would rather live in that Gotham than in Burton’s (first) Gotham or Snyder’s Gotham. Those places were Hell as a city.

Just move across the river to metropolis, at-least you a more chipper city and superman.

 

[Captain Tired]

Just move across the river to metropolis, at-least you a more chipper city and superman.

Who will knock down buildings all around you and worry about the death toll later.

 

[dhandler01]

I'd like to give a quick shout out to Christina Applegate.

@Sawyer

**using this picture to talk about the actual scene**

When the climax of that scene happened, my 72 year old father jumped so high he could have won Bronze at the Olympics. He didnt see it coming!

On my second viewing...that scene was even more amazing. The shifting in how it looked (like it was on old school tv and being live) and just the way Joker acts shifting between emotions and personalities. Arthur is still in there a bit...until he isnt. Awesome stuff

 

[Micromind]

**using this picture to talk about the actual scene**

When the climax of that scene happened, my 72 year old father jumped so high he could have won Bronze at the Olympics. He didnt see it coming!

On my second viewing...that scene was even more amazing. The shifting in how it looked (like it was on old school tv and being live) and just the way Joker acts shifting between emotions and personalities. Arthur is still in there a bit...until he isnt. Awesome stuff

Yeah, his demeanor changes when he's Joker, even his eyes become more cold and menacing.

 

[Prettyricky]

Who will knock down buildings all around you and worry about the death toll later.

Well have i got good news for you lol

 

[Calvin Ellis]

I still would rather live in that Gotham than in Burton’s (first) Gotham or Snyder’s Gotham. Those places were Hell as a city.

Nolan's Gotham was worse than both of them.

 

[Kane52630]

Schumacher's Gotham is some Mad Max level sh** and I would love to live in that.

 

[Faora]

Masterpiece!

Spoiler

 

[Calvin Ellis]

Schumacher's Gotham is some Mad Max level sh** and I would love to live in that.

It looks like that on acid.

 

[dhandler01]

Masterpiece!

Spoiler

Ok whether that is intentional or not...that is pretty cool

 

[Kane52630]

Movie Theater Security Reports Suspicious Behavior After Patron Buys Ticket To ‘Gemini Man’

 

[Arachnerd]

Truth and fiction has blurred now. Bless the Onion.

 

[Boom]

“From the moment he approached the booth and sought admission to our first screening of the movie, we knew this was a deeply disturbed individual,” employee Jennifer Mendoza said of the unidentified middle-aged male, who, with unsettling statements like “One adult for the 7:25 p.m. showing, please” and “I hear Will Smith’s great in this,” immediately caught the attention of security.

I am deceased.

 

[LoganGambit87]

man i cant stop thinking about this film it really is a damn masterpiece its like everything just hit on all cylinders from script,tone,score,acting,cinematography