Joker "The Joker" in development with Todd Phillips and Martin Scorsese attached? - Part 2

[The Joker]

I really doubt the RT score will have any significant impact on box office.

 

[shinlyle]

This is insane. it's got positive reviews,a and then it drops like a stone when it hits the general audience? Well, not like a stone, but pretty far...

 

[weezerspider]

This is insane. it's got positive reviews,a and then it drops like a stone when it hits the general audience? Well, not like a stone, but pretty far...

I think a lot of comic fans are bored by the slow character drama and a lot of cinephiles are turned off by how liberally it apes it’s influences.

 

[Invader Joker]

I still think general audiences will come in expecting something more like TDK and then they'll leave out disappointed. We'll see.

 

[Invader Joker]

I think a lot of comic fans are bored by the slow character drama and a lot of cinephiles are turned off by how liberally it apes it’s influences.

I've said it before but I honestly think that audiences would be far more forgiving of this movie if it built up to a Batman vs Joker film and had a tease at the end. At least that'd make them feel "the best is yet to come", and they'd feel the buildup and nihilistic misery has a point.
That isn't happening, though.

 

[BatLand]

15 minutes and I'm seeing this. Hyped!

 

[weezerspider]

I've said it before but I honestly think that audiences would be far more forgiving of this movie if it built up to a Batman vs Joker film and had a tease at the end. At least that'd make them feel "the best is yet to come", and they'd feel the buildup and nihilistic misery has a point.
That isn't happening, though.

I think a lot of people may think the end is hinting at that, which it’s not. I saw it with four people who didn’t know it was it’s own thing and thought the end was setting up for exactly that.

 

[Invader Joker]

I think a lot of people may think the end is hinting at that, which it’s not. I saw it with four people who didn’t know it was it’s own thing and thought the end was setting up for exactly that.

That's even worse then. Unless Reeves pulls a plot twist and his Batman is connected to Joker, audiences are going to ultimately feel betrayed. They've been eseentially blueballed.

You can moan about "director's vision and elseworlds and not everything is a cinematic universe" all you want, but not connecting the Joker origin movie that presumably features Batman's origin as well and came out 2 years before a rebooted young Batman can't be seen as literally anything other than a giant missed opportunity and the reasons are so incredibly obvious.

And WB ain't in the position to make audiences feel betrayed. They haven't exactly earned audiences trust yet. They've earned their curiosity, but not trust.

But I'll love the film most likely so meh. But it's a missed opportunity. A giant one.



Also. Press F to pay respects.

 

[Boom]

Weeks of complaining that the movie wasn't certified yet, and when it finally does get certified it loses it in a couple of days.

 

[FatRobin]

The critics in my country are mostly hating it. They said that the script was lazy, predictable and cliché, but still praised Phoenix's performance and everything else. They also said that the film was too "tiring" and made some pretty silly comparisons to Ledger's Joker lol. They don't want their Joker to be humanized.

 

[Kane52630]

I can't wait for the "Rotten Tomatoes doesn't matter anymore!" takes after endlessly posting about it.

 

[TheGuy]

Currently at 72. Farthest drop I think this goes down is 65.

 

[Rorschach2012]

Seeing this in 8 hours

 

[The Joker]

Currently at 72. Farthest drop I think this goes down is 65.

You probably need to refresh your browser. Its down to 70 now.

 

[Closerframe]

RT has honestly never mattered unless there's evidence of the general audience using it to determine whether they'll see a movie or not which according to trends, doesn't seem to be the case. The Lion King and Transformers are just some examples of movies that don't have good RT scores but still made a billion dollars WW. American audiences are so predictable. They stick to what they know which typically comes in the form of the MCU, glorified cartoonish violence, and low budget horror movies. Joker will make it's money back, that's all that matters, but it'll likely not get good word of mouth which will lead to a substantial second weekend drop.

 

[TheGuy]

You probably need to refresh your browser. Its down to 70 now.

It was at 230-240+ reviews (?) when I last updated, so a few might have been added.

 

[weezerspider]

That's even worse then. Unless Reeves pulls a plot twist and his Batman is connected to Joker, audiences are going to ultimately feel betrayed. They've been eseentially blueballed.

You can moan about "director's vision and elseworlds and not everything is a cinematic universe" all you want, but not connecting the Joker origin movie that presumably features Batman's origin as well and came out 2 years before a rebooted young Batman can't be seen as literally anything other than a giant missed opportunity and the reasons are so incredibly obvious.

And WB ain't in the position to make audiences feel betrayed. They haven't exactly earned audiences trust yet. They've earned their curiosity, but not trust.

But I'll love the film most likely so meh. But it's a missed opportunity. A giant one.

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Also. Press F to pay respects.

Has it been confirmed The Batman takes place in the 1990’s? If it does, I could see WB chickening out making a stand-alone Joker film and retconning this in the same universe as The Batman. The problem is there is no way in Hell they can get Joaquin back.

 

[Invader Joker]

Has it been confirmed The Batman takes place in the 1990’s? If it does, I could see WB chickening out making a stand-alone Joker film and retconning this in the same universe as The Batman. The problem is there is no way in Hell they can get Joaquin back.

It hasn't been confirmed that Batman takes place in the 90s but the weird part is that both this movie and Batman are using Taxi Driver as inspiration. That makes it even more baffling.

Ah, Reeves is a fan of King of Comedy as well (though obviously that's not an inspiration for Batman but he likes that film a lot)

 

[weezerspider]

It hasn't been confirmed that Batman takes place in the 90s but the weird part is that both this movie and Batman are using Taxi Driver as inspiration.

I actually think Taxi Driver works better for Batman than Joker. Even Scorsese compares Travis Bickle to Batman on the Criterion commentary on Taxi Driver from the 1980’s!

In all reality, Aronofsky’s Taxi Driver-esque Batman Year One would be the perfect companion piece to Joker and then finish off a trilogy with them facing off in a movie and leave it as that.

 

[FatRobin]

I really wonder what type of person the young Bruce in this movie will grow into. The Waynes and even Alfred to an extent weren't that nice.

 

[Invader Joker]

I actually think Taxi Driver works better for Batman than Joker. Even Scorsese compares Travis Bickle to Batman on the Criterion commentary on Taxi Driver from the 1980’s!

What!? I need to see that!

 

[The Chris]

I think a lot of comic fans are bored by the slow character drama and a lot of cinephiles are turned off by how liberally it apes it’s influences.

I think what's worried me has been the two things i can look forward to with this film i can get from two other specific films. If I feel like a Joker to my own liking while still seeing a film that both honors and transcends the genre I can watch The Dark Knight , and if i want to watch a dark as hell character study about a disturbed individual that shows the ugly side of society I can pop in Taxi Driver. Joaquin is the real reason I'm checking this out. He's a fantastic actor.

 

[Orb]

I'll say it again, if they don't want to commit to a sequel, continue this world and story through DC's Black Label comics that they are doing right now. That way you dont need to bring Phoenix and Phillips back and we could see how this world evolves moving forward

 

[Invader Joker]

I think you can have a Batman in this unvierse without it even being necessarily as big a departure as Darren Aronofsky's Batman was.

What confuses me about Darren's take is... why did he feel the need to make the training portion of Batman's origins any different? Even in a realistic setting, a child genius with an IQ of 190-250 (of which do exist in the real world) with a bunch of resources mentally and physically preparing himself travelling around the world to become a great athlete, fighter and so on for 15-20 years before becoming Batman would be far better and more realistic as a crime fighter vigilante that can go up against criminals and survive.

Like... he wouldn't be as OP as he is in the comics, he'd have his limits but even in a realistic setting you can have his origins be pretty much the same.

 

[Maze]

Warner want to do movies, above all, ( and a lot of money with it) and for that they have my eternal respect. Dont care about sequel and what not. Its fine and all sometimes but it just become a burden for some movies, being trailer for the next one. Time to change the game