Joker "The Joker" in development with Todd Phillips and Martin Scorsese attached? - Part 2

[Rorschach2012]

10/10

I f***ing hated it

 

[terry78]

I feel like the nihilism and cynical approach makes people feel like they have to view it as high art or else they feel dumb.

 

[Mysteryman]

10/10

I f***ing hated it

Sarcasm? Or did you really hate it despite the fact that it had artistic merit?

 

[Mysteryman]

Remember how we said Phoenix hates being public and doing appearances and yet he's doing talkshows and now just appearing at random theaters

Boy is gonna be CAMPAIGN like a mother****a for dat Oscar

Sadly campaigning for it is practically the only way to win an Oscar these days

 

[Mysteryman]

I saw Gemini Man last night and people clapped. I didn't understand why.

You didn't like it?

 

[Maze]

Hitler? He didn’t have children.

I can see this going rotten on RT. Would have been unthinkable just 24 hours ago.

He had no children oficially yes, but its alleged that he had one.

Now, it's been said that her young niece, Rosa Bernile Nienau that people say in a way was his kid, was especially fond of him. The guy was a frustrated heinous, and manipulative bastard but people say he had his moments.

 

[SuperBatman]

Well I just gort back from seeing that. My what an Experience it was. What else can I say that hasn't already been said Phoenix was awesome. That 3rd act was very Intense and a little Unsettling at times. but I loved it can't wait to see it a 2nd time.

 

[Lasirius]

Loved it. Not sure about it having high rewatch value but would like to watch it again. Phoenix was a force on screen.

 

[Jekecy]

They almost had a perfect ending shot of the movie, but they screwed it up the cowards.

I'll have to sit on my thoughts of the actual ending, because I do think it served a specific purpose. But yeah, the "almost ending" would have been a phenomenal closer. I got chills to the bone from that scene.

 

[GREEN =w= DAY]

Critics can suck a big fat you know what

I liked the movie a lot. Very intense and makes you ponder. Joaquin Phoenix did an amazing job. Loved how the movie was filmed, had a very old school feel to it.

Definitely gonna go watch it again

 

[Moncton]

I remember my theater applauding BVS

They were applauding because it was over

 

[geosphere]

Saw joker... It was @#$ing incredible! It should definitely be nominated for all sorts of accolades - if not, then it is being screwed without a doubt! That movie was so relevant and thought-provoking. It was mind-blowing! It's not for kids or teeny bops. It's for mature audiences without a doubt. Children won't enjoy this... That is all.

 

[harlequinade]

Yep. They're facing legal issues of some kind. I wonder if it's something similar to what SHH had to deal with a few years back.

Oh I know all about their legal issues but I was wondering if the board returned to being a board or if it still looks less functional reddit with no images and avatars. Nightmarish. Astonishing anyone stayed there,

 

[Gothamsknight]

After sitting on this film overnight, I must say I loved it. It's an elseworld kind of story as we all expected and it works in that manner. This is a dark, grim,and brooding story of a man shunned by society and from the opening scene you can tell what kind of film this will be. Phoenix was great and applaud him for his work in this. Hes definitely getting an Oscar nom and there's no doubt in my mind about that. The cinematography is also gorgeous too. This was just so good and Phoenix gave it his all.

I still can't believe the director of the hangover directed this haha

 

[TheSmoothKnight]

I hope good WOM will keep the hype train going and make a lot of money.

 

[geosphere]

US critics just seem like a bunch of overly sensitive fuddy duddys after this. How can they be taken seriously when 90% of them recognise it's a well crafted film, but are marking it down due to their own bias and sensibilities?

let us take solace in the fact that at least most of the critics aren't doing that. Looks like audiences are rushing to see this film regardless and so far audiences seem to think this film is fantastic.

 

[-JKR-]

I find it funny that most bloggers and critics, even before seeing it, tried to go for broke to finally get their pat on the back by their co-Tweeters by accusing the movie of portraying and celebrating toxic white males, but luckily moviegoers seem to be smarter than that and are noticing that this is not what the movie is about.

And I love how it creates discussion and a conflict about how bad you should feel for Arthur.

 

[bapi]

First 2/3 are weak but that nihilistic third act is absolutely amazing! Love the score, the cinematography, Phoenix' great but not that iconic in my eyes. Can see Joker nominated for Best Picture, Actor, Cinematography, Production Design, Score, Make Up and possibly Director.

8/10

 

[-JKR-]

Alright so:

Spoiler: DON'T CLICK /CUT MATERIAL

Zazie Beetz's character was completely rewritten. Arthur mistakenly thinks Sophie likes him but Sophie only acts kind to him out of pity. They have a whole conversation at the restaurant about the city and Thomas Wayne. In the end Arthur cusses out Sophie after finding her sleeping with another guy. Once becoming Joker , he leaves flowers at her door (which you can see in the trailers). Sophie watched Joker on TV and is terrified by what he does.
-certain scenes got switched over around in the structure (this was improved imo)
- Arthur has faint facial scars throughout the film, part of his childhood story where he cut his face.
- Certain scenes like Randall confronting Arthur right after the scene at the locker room was cut. This is where he tells people have started wearing those clown masks everywhere
-Arthur tries to get Thomas' attention outside Wayne Enterprise with a letter (set pics available so they indeed shot that scene)
-Arthur has a cat he talks to in the script. In the end when he puts on the make up he lets the cat go free and we find out the cat wasn't real. A symbolic way of showing Arthur letting go of his innocence before becoming Joker
-The two detectives visit Arthur at his mother's funeral, questioning about the murder and paying respect to his mother. (you can see this scene in the trailer and set pics)
-A lot of dialogue was cut down but there some remnants left in the film that called back to those cut dialogue. An example being when Joker says "They don't expect us to go werewolf!". Earlier in the script, he has a conversation with his mother about her declining mental health and calls her a werewolf.
-there is no clown crowd at the end, once the cop car flips over, Joker gets out on his own, and craves a smile on his face with the piece of broken glass (ala Ledger), we know they shot this scene as there set pics.
-At the end, Arthur is bald and has a scarred smile. He shows his journal to the doctor but it is empty.

That you very much.

I was watching the Q&A with Joaquin Phoenix, Todd Phillips and the crew and it seems like they redid entire scenes from scratch i n a different way and with another setting, because they felt the original scenes didn't work. Did you figure out any of these scenes as a possible replacement for the old ones?

 

[-JKR-]

First 2/3 are weak but that nihilistic third act is absolutely amazing! Love the score, the cinematography, Phoenix' great but not that iconic in my eyes. Can see Joker nominated for Best Picture, Actor, Cinematography, Production Design, Score, Make Up and possibly Director.

8/10

I don't agree with the first 2/3 being weak, and I also don't think that the nihilist third act would have worked as well without the proper build up and character development.

 

[Dr.]

US critics just seem like a bunch of overly sensitive fuddy duddys after this. How can they be taken seriously when 90% of them recognise it's a well crafted film, but are marking it down due to their own bias and sensibilities?

Critics usually operate in one of two modes: as a judge of artistic quality or as a “consumer advocate” recommending a movie as a good “investment.” This is how the same critic can give PTA’s The Phantom Thread and Lego Movie 2 the same high score. And presumably, readers of these reviews are smart enough to know that different criteria for evaluation are being applied to the different films.

Arguably, there’s also a third mode: “philosophical” agreement (or disagreement). Thus, artistry or high entertainment value can take a back seat to the moral/ethical implications of the story. And if those implications are deemed negative, the review is negative.

 

[Boom]

A good number of the negative reviews basically state that the film itself is sound, but they were turned off by the film's message/nihilistic overtures.

 

[-JKR-]

A good number of the negative reviews basically state that the film itself is sound, but they were turned off by the film's message/nihilistic overtures.

The point is, though, I don't think they understood the message, but projected it onto whatever topic they were blabbing about on Twitter. And they had already started doing so before the movie had ever been screened. And instead of talking about the actual movie, they keep bringing whatever made up thinkpiece was put together prior to the screenings.
Which is, I'm repeating myself, ridiculous AND unprofessional.
But it's not like today's US reviewers are exactly Rogert Eberts. They're mostly Harry Knowles knockoffs.
Anyway, I was pleasantly surprised about how well Todd Phillips balanced his vision for the characters vs the comic book elements and iconography.
There were plenty of loving nods to the Batman myth.

 

[TheVileOne]

You didn't like it?

No.

 

[Arachnerd]

Also, can we just give a round of applause for Hildur Guðnadóttir's amazing score in this movie?

Between this and Chernobyl, she's quickly becoming one of my favorite film composers.