Joker "The Joker" in development with Todd Phillips and Martin Scorsese attached? - Part 2

[Boom]

Anyone mind slapping some red lips on this?

 

[Kane52630]

Anyone mind slapping some red lips on this?

 

[dhandler01]

Nobody complained presumably because they either didn't know of Glitter's past, or because they don't read or hear about him making money off of its use in arenas. Actually, I'm not sure he does get royalties when played in an arena.

Your arguments of being able to buy the song on itunes, or wherever, are weak, since in that case, it is up to the consumer whether or not they want to buy the song. It's a conscious decision on their part. But it's not a conscious decision if they go to the movie unaware the song is going to be in it, or that Glitter may profit from it.

I haven't seen the movie yet, so I don't have a dog in this fight. But Phillips made a choice to use the song, and he was either unaware that Glitter would profit from it, or he didn't care. The fact still stands, that Glitter will get royalties from this movie.

Trust me the teams know...everyone knows. It isnt some secret who wrote the song or what he did. They make a choice and the fans dont care. At my school when they banned it because of what he did the school got backlash and still does. (they hold firm though which is fine)

I remember when people whined about Guns 'N Roses using a Charles Manson song on one of their albums. People complained about the royalties and because the US has rules about that he got none of them. If people dont want him making money complain about it and something will be done. Dont pretend the media gives two craps about it though because they dont.

 

[Legendver2]

Yeah, the media’s plan that was supposed to warned people of how dangerous and problematic this film is, backfired lol

Streisand Effect in full...effect.

 

[Kane52630]

Of course somebody made this...

 

[Closerframe]

Remember when the leaked set videos kept showing how much Phoenix was smoking in Joker makeup and most people complained? Such funny days

 

[Micromind]

I like this shot but, he looks like some action figure.

source

 

[dhandler01]

Took my dad to see it today. He loves King of Comedy, Taxi Driver and anything Batman related. So yeah he loved the film! He felt all the controversy was BS could not stop raving about the film as we walked out.

I gotta say, the second time seeing it the film is completely different than the first time. I wasnt as heightened or freaked out, but I started to notice little things I never saw before. JP was even better the second time than he was the first which I didnt even think was possible. Good god every time he laughs is so painful I almost cry. And yet...he is not sympathetic at all and the final 20 minutes makes him look even worse somehow.

 

[Hammer!]

Has anyone seen the Spaghetti Western “Faccia a Faccia (Face to Face)”? Easily the best performance of all-time in the Joker/Taxi Driver vein of a sympathetic, beaten down by the world, loser who turns into a villain gradually till the full blown end.

 

[WhoMani]

Its weird that the mainstream media is trying to "cancel" this movie and making it seem like it will turn straight white males into incels. Anyway I'm going to watch it tomorrow and I have a feeling that I will love it due to the comparison to Taxi Driver which is one of my favourite movies ever.

 

[Boom]

IndieWire had an article the other day that basically read as, "Well just because nothing bad happened last weekend doesn't mean something won't!"

I'm over this.

 

[Schlosser85]

The media's blatant disappointment at this movie not inspiring the next mass shooting that they are all eager to report on is more distasteful than anything in the movie.

 

[Boom]

Frankly I'm marveling at just how polarizing the response is to this movie. Some people were genuinely disturbed and horrified by it, whereas I walked out thinking I had seen A LOT worse. I'm literally sitting here reading some of the reviews, and many of them come across as extremely hyperbolic - on both extremes.

 

[Kane52630]

You'd think they saw A Serbian Film.

 

[BatLobster]

Frankly I'm marveling at just how polarizing the response is to this movie. Some people were genuinely disturbed and horrified by it, whereas I walked out thinking I had seen A LOT worse. I'm literally sitting here reading some of the reviews, and many of them come across as extremely hyperbolic - on both extremes.

To be fair, it's also not the first time we've seen this type of media controversy for these types of films. A Clockwork Orange, Natural Born Killers and American Psycho are just a few examples off the top of my head that had a similar outcry about being 'dangerous'.

I think what elevated this premature backlash was the fact that Joker is such an iconic character that there's a fear it adds a certain amount of "sexiness" and villain worship to his actions no matter how ugly the movie may try to depict them as. That, and the fact that we have Twitter mobs now.

But really when you take a step back a lot of this is a case of same sh**, different day. History will ultimately be the judge of the film's cultural significance, not the hot takes/clickbait of the day.

 

[venom892]

In reality, the final sequence in Once Upon a Time in Hollywood is more violent then anything in this movie. This movie just makes you uncomfortable with the violence due to it's realism and it should. Anyone who is too squeamish to watch this movie should never turn on the news.

 

[TheSmoothKnight]

 

[KaijuDude1992]

I'm glad someone else here mentioned Dragged Across Concrete which is also one of my favorite movies of this year, because if want to talk about a movie that is actually pretty damn violent and disturbing at times than that's the movie worth mentioning yet critics had nothing hyperbolic to say about that one.

Now, I can see how that one might have actually been controversial, but not this movie and yet the media wants it so desperately to fail which is definitely pretty pathetic.

 

[Schlosser85]

Frankly I'm marveling at just how polarizing the response is to this movie. Some people were genuinely disturbed and horrified by it, whereas I walked out thinking I had seen A LOT worse. I'm literally sitting here reading some of the reviews, and many of them come across as extremely hyperbolic - on both extremes.

It's a dark and disturbing movie, but not any more so than, say, its own inspiration Taxi Driver.

And your average action movie both has a vastly higher body count and glorifies violence far more than Joker does, where each murder actually has a jarring impact and is treated as an actual serious ****ed up thing that just happened.

 

[Calvin Ellis]

Once again I think that the movie is great and I loved it but I can see where some of the concern is coming from. As I said a few pages back I went with someone who has had a family member who had mental issues and it hit home for her really hard. Really I think unless we have dealt with this issue personally or know of people who have been effected by mental health we will have a different outlook on this movie and other movies that are very similar as those who have experienced these types of things. That's why I say it's not too far out there that Joker might rub some people the wrong way. I mean Taxi Driver inspired a man who needed help to try and go and kill our president so it's not far fetch what they are saying about how it can inspire people if help is left unchecked like how Arthur's was (which by the way happens all the time). I am not saying that it's a bad movie and people shouldn't see all I am saying is I can see where people might worry.

 

[Travesty]

Frankly I'm marveling at just how polarizing the response is to this movie. Some people were genuinely disturbed and horrified by it, whereas I walked out thinking I had seen A LOT worse. I'm literally sitting here reading some of the reviews, and many of them come across as extremely hyperbolic - on both extremes.

I still haven’t read any reviews for this. I’ve just seen headlines, scores, and reactions. Maybe I should check out the bad reviews and see what they’re actually saying?

Or maybe not?

 

[Boom]

I suspect, as others do, that it's the film's subject matter combined with a popular IP that is putting targets on its back. If this were a wholly original character like Louis Bloom in Nightcrawler, I doubt we're even having this conversation. But because it's a pop culture character like the Joker, you're likely to grab more attention with these headlines.

Just this week alone I feel like we've seen multiple articles from different media outlets asking if the controversies will impact the film's Oscar chances. I'm no conspiracy theorist, but it definitely feels like a hit job by a rival studio.

 

[Boom]

I still haven’t read any reviews for this. I’ve just seen headlines, scores, and reactions. Maybe I should check out the bad reviews and see what they’re actually saying?

Or maybe not?

There are quite a number of negative reviews that basically say the film itself is technically sound, but because the message is so toxic and dangerous they can't give it a positive review. There's nothing wrong with that view, mind you. I've seen my share of movies that are technically well-made, but I couldn't stand. Then you've got those reviews that load up on the hyperbole by openly speculating that people are going to get hurt because of this movie.

I just didn't find this movie all that dangerous or disturbing, and I personally think that claim is being severely overstated. If anything, I'd say the hyperbole probably added to my overall disappointment with the film itself, because I walked out thinking it was a whole lot of nothing.

 

[Calvin Ellis]

I suspect, as others do, that it's the film's subject matter combined with a popular IP that is putting targets on its back. If this were a wholly original character like Louis Bloom in Nightcrawler, I doubt we're even having this conversation. But because it's a pop culture character like the Joker, you're likely to grab more attention with these headlines.

Just this week alone I feel like we've seen multiple articles from different media outlets asking if the controversies will impact the film's Oscar chances. I'm no conspiracy theorist, but it definitely feels like a hit job by a rival studio.

I agree to a certain point. I think the name Joker and Gotham City and Wayne put it more into the spotlight then it would've if the movie was just about a guy named Arthur and had nothing to do with Batman. I think the debate would still be there but not as public as it is now.

 

[Micromind]

Yeah, if this was an indie, art-house movie I doubt it would have generated same level of scrutiny and controversy and I doubt it would have got 449 reviews !