Joker "The Joker" in development with Todd Phillips and Martin Scorsese attached? - Part 2

[Spro23]

Anyone see that Todd philips gets 10% of the gross of joker, which is an insane $100 million or a bit more. 'Joker' director Todd Phillips, who took no salary for hit, could make $100 million back end

So warner may have cleared way less than the ballpark theater numbers.

Ive read theaters keep roughly half the ticket sales.
So for a billion in ticket sales, $500 million goes to the studio.

Then they had to pay Todd 100 million.

So $400 million, except they split the production costs with village roadshow and bron creative.

So thats only $133 million per studio. They each paid 20-35 million of the production costs.

So each studio profited 100 million at the most. After taxes more like 70-80 million. A far cry from that fat $1 billion number. Todd himself might have netted more than any of the contributing studios.

Talk about dropping the ball on an opportunity.
Does my math make sense or is it basically correct with how this works?

If this is correct than the head of Warner brothers makes dumb decisions that missed on about 350 million.

 

[Pennywise]

 

[The Shape]

I've said it before, but I think the most interesting non-Batman approach for Joaquin to do a Joker "sequel" would be to create an entirely new/different origin for The Joker -- not Arthur Fleck. Different story, different origin, different time period/location setting, different tone, etc -- but with Joaquin starring as the titular character again and Todd Phillips directing. I think this could work well for a variety of reasons that would benefit us (the viewers) and the Phoenix/Phillips team.

I loved this Joker movie and found the Arthur Fleck character fascinating. Loved seeing his transformation into the "Joker". The most exciting next step would be to see this Joker come to blows with some version of Batman. However, as we all know, that doesn't seem likely to happen any time soon. While Joaquin has said that he is open to doing a sequel with Phillips, he has also said that he doesn't have much or any interest in going toe to toe with Batman. We also have the new Reeves/Pattinson Batman franchise gearing up right now that will last several years, and we know WB likely won't be allowing multiple live-action Batman films/franchises to be happening simultaneously. It also seems HIGHLY unlikely that WB would be willing to put Batman in a disturbing hard R-rated film at this point.

Assuming Batman is currently off the table for a Joker sequel, that would leave us with following up with Arthur Fleck/Joker after the events of this film. I personally thought the ending of Joker was pretty perfect, and perfectly ambiguous as to whether some or all of the film's events really happened. Seems like a follow-up story would sort of defeat the ending of this film and miss the point of what the film was ultimately going for. It would be like making a sequel to Taxi Driver, or King of Comedy especially.

So what would excite Joaquin enough to play the Joker again, without him feeling like he's simply repeating himself or cashing in on the first film's success? Telling a completely different origin story that still captures the essence of the Joker character. I feel like this would be even more of a challenge for Joaquin/Phillips than the first film was, it would fit with the ambiguous "one possible origin" concept that the first film had going for it, and would certainly fit the "multiple choice origin" concept that has been associated with The Joker for decades now. It's also another way to tell a Joker story without needing Batman himself to be involved in a major capacity.

I know this will likely never happen and that we're more likely to get a straightforward sequel (if we get one at all), but I think this would be a really cool concept and would continue to show how infinitely The Joker character can be re-interpreted and re-adapted while still keeping his core elements intact.

 

[KillerMcQueen]

I'd say the odds of us seeing Phoenix again as pretty damn high.

Yeah, Phoenix clearly wants to do it, the only person they have to convince is Phillips.

 

[Greenlite]

Would be pretty funny if those 2 team up again and does a Lex Luthor film, and returns to the award season again, that'd seriously be making cinematic history

 

[Pennywise]

Takeaways From The 2019 Makeup & Hairstyling Bake-off

"Joker's" presentation focused entirely on Joaquin Phoenix. It featured multiple close-ups detailing the Joker character’s evolution throughout the course of the film, including multiple sequences of Phoenix manipulating his look on screen. There was no prosthetics work referenced, but there was shading used to make him look even more emaciated, and some CGI to touch up his bloody smile at the end of the film. One of the presentation’s major focal points was the difficulty of working with Phoenix. He initially wanted to do his own makeup and hair himself, and the film’s makeup team had to work out a compromise with him. Additionally, he apparently didn’t like being touched frequently. He lost 50 pounds for the film and was said to be “hungry” often. As such, he would walk out in the middle of hair dying jobs and would disappear on set in between takes, so the crew had a hard time finding him for touch-ups. The process of maintaining continuity was so arduous that the person in charge of keeping continuity actually quit. The team would bribe him with crackers to get him to keep still (since he could eat little else). The “difficult actor” narrative seemed to have connected with the audience and there were multiple audience questions as a result.

 

[Gee]

Get DDL out of retirement as Luthor.

 

[dhandler01]

Anyone see that Todd philips gets 10% of the gross of joker, which is an insane $100 million or a bit more. 'Joker' director Todd Phillips, who took no salary for hit, could make $100 million back end

So warner may have cleared way less than the ballpark theater numbers.

Ive read theaters keep roughly half the ticket sales.
So for a billion in ticket sales, $500 million goes to the studio.

Then they had to pay Todd 100 million.

So $400 million, except they split the production costs with village roadshow and bron creative.

So thats only $133 million per studio. They each paid 20-35 million of the production costs.

So each studio profited 100 million at the most. After taxes more like 70-80 million. A far cry from that fat $1 billion number. Todd himself might have netted more than any of the contributing studios.

Talk about dropping the ball on an opportunity.
Does my math make sense or is it basically correct with how this works?

If this is correct than the head of Warner brothers makes dumb decisions that missed on about 350 million.

You are partially correct. They will split all of the profits but they arent on the hook for Phillips cut that would come out of the total. So think of him as a 4th partner more than getting paid. WB cleared way the heck more than you are giving them credit for even after taxes.

The roughly "half of ticket prices" figure is wrong too. The take varies based on when the ticket is sold.

WB didnt make any "dumb decisions". The movie was a risk so they mitigated the damage and are reaping plenty of benefits.

 

[Micromind]

Ive read theaters keep roughly half the ticket sales.

The notion that theaters take 50 % is not very accurate, it's just an estimate. The practice is to increase the percentage amount earned by theaters as the week progress (and audience attendance decreases).

Just to give you an example (with some assumptions as I don't have exact percentages cut but it gives you a good idea) , if some movie opens with $100 M on 1st week and Theaters take 20%, then in 2nd week the movie makes $50M and now theaters take 30%, and in 3rd week the movie make about $30 M and the theaters take 40 %, and if in 4th week the movie makes $20M and the theaters take 50%. The total amount earned by theaters is -

$20M+$15M+$12M+$10M = $57M

Now, compare it with the rough estimate of theaters getting 50% of $200M which is $100M.

($200M = $100M (1st week) + $50M (2nd week) + $30M (3rd week) + $20M (4th week) )

You can see that the rough estimate ($100M) is wrong, the theaters get less than that. ($57M)

 

[BaelaTargaryen]

Joker got 11 BAFTA nominations.

'Joker' Leads BAFTA 2020 Nominations

 

[TheVileOne]

I hope there's never a sequel or follow-up. This simply exists as a single standalone film.

I'm not sure I want to see this version of Joker meeting Batman, or a version of Batman.

Also, look what happened with Hangover once they started doing sequels. Phillips is better off not doing sequels.

 

[Micromind]

Instead of doing a sequel, Todd Philips should think of making another self-contained DC Else-worlds movie.

 

[TheVileOne]

Instead of doing a sequel, Todd Philips should think of making another self-contained DC Else-worlds movie.

Yeah if there's another character he'd like to look at that way, yes something like that. A "spiritual sequel" and not an actual sequel. Like a DC villains anthology series. Not sure if that interests him outside of Joker but you got the right idea Micromind.

 

[WhoMani]

I love seeing a Twitter account being triggered by Joker getting nominated during the award season

Imagine having an Twitter account dedicated to hating on the accomplishment of Todd Phillips and Joaquin Phoenix.

 

[TheVileOne]

I hate Twitter.

 

[Boom]

I honestly cannot take another bite of this deliciousness. I am full to bursting.

 

[NotNickFury]

I love seeing a Twitter account being triggered by Joker getting nominated during the award season

Imagine having an Twitter account dedicated to hating on the accomplishment of Todd Phillips and Joaquin Phoenix.

If Joaquin wins Best Actor at the Oscars- hell, if Joker won Best Picture, long shot I know- Twitter will just burst into flames.

 

[Gothamsknight]

Wow, 11 nominations! Thats fantastic.

 

[Catoti]

Me and my friends would like to see Todd Philips' take on other Batman villains. One of my friends suggested a type of psychological horror movie with Scarecrow, or one on Clayface.

 

[Micromind]

A Two-face movie would be a great character study, maybe it would prove to be even more divisive and scary for general audiences.

 

[Deck Rickard]

Good God. I can understand not liking Joker for whatever reason but that guy's comments are profoundly stupid.

 

[BaelaTargaryen]

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[WhoMani]

Me and my friends would like to see Todd Philips' take on other Batman villains. One of my friends suggested a type of psychological horror movie with Scarecrow, or one on Clayface.

I think a movie starring Scarecrow would be a phenomonal psychological horror movie with the right director and screenwriter/s. Clayface would be a tricky one though.

 

[NotNickFury]

Just picked up my Joker steelbook.

On the conversation, I wouldn't mind either a film on The Question or, yeah, Scarecrow. I really like what we got of Dr. Crane in Batman Begins and wish we got more of him, but at the same time like that he was in all three films in some capacity. A horror film with the right person behind the camera would be amazing.

 

[Catoti]

A Two-face movie would be a great character study, maybe it would prove to be even more divisive and scary for general audiences.

Ooooh that would be so good. I would love that as a movie.