"The Joker" in development with Todd Phillips and Martin Scorsese attached?

[Guts]

THR said WB is creating another DC label. Separate from their mainline DCEU where they can make movies like this one and perhaps Red Son

Works in animation but will sound like a cluster**** to casuals

Yeah, this will be confusing for people not familiar with the multiverse aspect of the DC Universe.

 

[Frodo]

I think WB have a plan, its to walk away from the DCEU, and to basically go back to the status quo pre- BVS. Solo standalone films which aren't bound to the baggage of other films or universes.

They're going back to what worked with them in the past i.e., TDK trilogy, Batman 89, Superman 78 etc not being in the same universe or being bound to each other.

If the rumors about JL are true, it wouldn't surprise me if WW2 , Aquaman, The Batman, Batgirl etc are basically gonna be their own things without being bound to the Snyderverse.

The reality is , it was basically fanboys who demanded a shared DC movie universe anyway, and WB wanted to cash in on the new craze.

They've clearly struggled with the execution and concept in general ,and now it seems they're basically going back to what worked for them pre MOS. Filmmaker driven, stand alone superhero films independent of other filmmakers visions and an overall connective tissue.

 

[Flint Marko]

FOX is the redheaded step father (only reason I dont say child is because it's older) which is weird because I think in my and many people's eyes they've released some of the best SH movies in recent memory (Deadpool and Logan)

Fox has figured out something that I wish more studios, Marvel included, would do: cut the budgets down and make superhero movies more interesting. It doesn't even have to be R-rated, just do something interesting that is different from what Marvel has been doing because clearly no one else can quite capture that four-quadrant magic save for Patty Jenkins. For all the talk about how "dark and adult" DC films supposedly are, they should do that with the DCEU, not in addition to.

 

[Boom]

I kinda feel like this whole thing has just a really sour taste in my mouth for the DC universe in general, not just on film. We really need a third competitor in the superhero film universe.

Look, I would love nothing more than for WB to put out a shared cinematic universe as cohesive and consistent as Marvel has. I would. But Man of Steel functions as a stand-alone film, BvS was a disaster, Suicide Squad was a disaster, Wonder Woman functions as a stand-alone film, and Justice League (as far as these old eyes can tell) looks like it's going to be a disaster.

At this point, I'm more excited for the stand-alone/spinoff films like Justice League Dark and Batgirl than I am for Justice League. That's just where I'm at now. I'm so soured on the shared universe aspect of the DCEU that I frankly wouldn't care if they used Flashpoint to nix the whole thing. I mean that Justice League trailer released a few weeks ago was hot garbage. I am so ready to move past this chapter of the DCEU, it's almost too funny to be depressing. November can come and go so we can get this over with.

I'm not entitled to anything. It's a shame the DCEU hasn't shaped up the way I would have liked it to, but I'm not going to sit here and whine and demand that WB put other potentially cool ideas on hold just so they can focus on fixing this ****.

I'm a DC fan, so I'd like to see DC properties adapted. Whether it be The Flash, Batgirl, Justice League Dark, Red Son, or The Joker. If we continue to see the same sort of passion that was put behind WW, I'll happily take spinoffs and Elseworlds tales.

 

[Guts]

I think WB have a plan, its to walk away from the DCEU, and to basically go back to the status quo pre- BVS. Solo standalone films which aren't bound to the baggage of other films or universes.

They're going back to what worked with them in the past i.e., TDK trilogy, Batman 89, Superman 78 etc not being in the same universe or being bound to each other.

If the rumors about JL are true, it wouldn't surprise me if WW2 , Aquaman, The Batman, Batgirl etc are basically gonna be their own things without being bound to the Snyderverse.

The reality is , it was basically fanboys who demanded a shared DC movie universe anyway, and WB wanted to cash in on the new craze.

They've clearly struggled with the execution and concept in general ,and now it seems they're basically going back to what worked for them pre MOS. Filmmaker driven, stand alone superhero films independent of other filmmakers visions and an overall connective tissue.

James Wan is already using the Aquaman characters that Snyder had cast and it has been confirmed that it takes place after Justice League. I don't think Patty Jenkins plans on abandoning the continuity from the first Wonder Woman movie.

 

[jmc]

Look, I would love nothing more than for WB to put out a shared cinematic universe as cohesive and consistent as Marvel has. I would. But Man of Steel functions as a stand-alone film, BvS was a disaster, Suicide Squad was a disaster, Wonder Woman functions as a stand-alone film, and Justice League (as far as these old eyes can tell) looks like it's going to be a disaster.

At this point, I'm more excited for the stand-alone/spinoff films like Justice League Dark and Batgirl than I am for Justice League. That's just the point I'm at now. I'm so soured on the shared universe aspect of the DCEU that I frankly wouldn't care if they used Flashpoint to nix the whole thing. I mean that Justice League trailer was hot garbage. I am so ready to move past this chapter.

I'm not entitled to anything. It's a shame the DCEU hasn't shaped up the way I would have liked it to, but I'm not going to sit here and whine and demand that WB put other potentially cool ideas on hold just so they can focus on fixing this ****.

I'm a DC fan, so I'd like to see DC properties adapted. Whether it be The Flash, Batgirl, Justice League Dark, Red Son, or The Joker. If we continue to see the same sort of passion that was put behind WW, I'll happily take spinoffs and Elseworlds tales.

What I want to know is what exactly is WB hoping to achieve from doing this? This thing doesn't make sense from a creative or a financial perspective. Either you want to commit to a DC universe, or you want to revert to separate universes for each character, but they apparently want to do both. What happens if the new actor playing the Joker gets a better response than what Leto got? Suddenly you've got a Joker no-one likes appearing in two upcoming DCEU films.

 

[Boom]

As far as I can tell, the general audience responded well enough to Leto. The only backlash I've personally seen comes from within fan circles. And even then you get people on Reddit who swear to death that there's an Oscar-worthy performance chopped up on the editing room floor.

I hated Leto's take with a molten passion. I don't think the majority agrees.

 

[jmc]

Response online to this news wouldn't exactly be what WB were hoping, so they're already on the back foot. They really are starting to morph into Sony right now.

 

[Jekecy]

Response online to this news wouldn't exactly be what WB were hoping, so they're already on the back foot. They really are starting to morph into Sony right now.

Response to this news means jack. It's nothing in comparison to the critical mass WB faced when news of Heath's casting hit.

If this film and actor knock it out of the park, everyone will shut the hell up just like they did with TDK.

 

[Flint Marko]

Response to this news means jack. It's nothing in comparison to the critical mass WB faced when news of Heath's casting hit.

If this film and actor knock it out of the park, everyone will shut the hell up just like they did with TDK.

For all my current negativity, yes, I will happily shut up and take a good movie if that's what we're going to get. I'd wish they could've made it using the characters and the universe they already set in place, but I'd be able to see past it.

 

[jmc]

Response to this news means jack. It's nothing in comparison to the critical mass WB faced when news of Heath's casting hit.

If this film and actor knock it out of the park, everyone will shut the hell up just like they did with TDK.

Things are a little different this time around.

 

[Boy Scout]

Response to this news means jack. It's nothing in comparison to the critical mass WB faced when news of Heath's casting hit.

If this film and actor knock it out of the park, everyone will shut the hell up just like they did with TDK.

Sure, but right now, it looks like the studio is just desperate for another money maker. I just don't understand the point of a Joker origin movie, especially when they already have a Joker who this new one won't even be connected to.

 

[DlAMONDZ]

What I want to know is what exactly is WB hoping to achieve from doing this? This thing doesn't make sense from a creative or a financial perspective. Either you want to commit to a DC universe, or you want to revert to separate universes for each character, but they apparently want to do both. What happens if the new actor playing the Joker gets a better response than what Leto got? Suddenly you've got a Joker no-one likes appearing in two upcoming DCEU films.

What's so hard to get? They want a shared universe and standalone possibly R rated DC movies that got nothing to do with each other

DC animation has been doing this for a while now

 

[Boom]

What's the point of any of these DC movies?

It's a shame they're skewing younger here. There goes my fantasy of them casting Richard Brake in the role, thus unofficially making Nolan's films a part of the DCEU multiverse.

 

[Silver Surfer]

RIP DCEU. DC is going slowly going back to standalone franchise formula, and to be honest. that's for the best.

 

[jmc]

What's so hard to get? They want a shared universe and standalone possibly R rated DC movies that got nothing to do with each other

DC animation has been doing this for a while now

We're talking movies which is different. You're asking actors and directors to directly compete with each other in the public eye and that's the difference. You don't think actors are going to think twice about signing on for an iconic rolls knowing there's the potential some other actor to be cast in the same role a year later?

 

[DlAMONDZ]

We're talking movies which is different. You're asking actors and directors to directly compete with each other in the public eye and that's the difference. You don't think actors are going to think twice about signing on for an iconic rolls knowing there's the potential some other actor to be cast in the same role a year later?

Sounds like a cluster**** in live action I agree but I get why WB is thinking about going this route (more $$$$).

 

[jmc]

Sounds like a cluster**** in live action I agree but I get why WB is thinking about going this route (more $$$$).

I don't think they've thought about it clear enough financially. This is the worst character to try this with IMO.

 

[HBarnill]

WB is turning into Sony.

Sony is still way worse. Both are still better than Paramount.

I just hope Scorsese changes his mind and directs this himself. I know he's always wanted to direct a superhero film. He's mentioned it in the past and he was nearly going to direct Dick Tracy. What better way to start than with a Batman film? Leo can be the Riddler. Pesci can be the Penguin.

 

[Boy Scout]

What's the point of any of these DC movies?

I feel like that's a silly question. A film doesn't need to have point to it, but it should at least be based off of a relatively compelling idea. I don't think this one qualifies.

 

[Fallen Angel]

Nope to any of this.

 

[STARMAN]

Not crazy about this.

 

[jmc]

I wonder if any of this is related to JL.

 

[TheVileOne]

It's not that I would never want to see a Joker movie, but this idea makes no sense right now.

Like maybe make ONE good Batman movie first. Make a good movie with your new Joker and Batman, and then maybe explore an idea like this. I'm not saying never do it, but it seems premature, which is part of what I think got WB in this mess in the first place.

Like pre-Avengers, they had no interest in doing a shared DCEU. Then Avengers makes over a billion and they rushed everything to copy that.

 

[Guts]

We're talking movies which is different. You're asking actors and directors to directly compete with each other in the public eye and that's the difference. You don't think actors are going to think twice about signing on for an iconic rolls knowing there's the potential some other actor to be cast in the same role a year later?

Not the fisrt time this has been attempted. George Miller was going to make a Justice League movie with Armie Hammer as Batman when Christopher Nolan and Christian Bale were still doing Batman.