The Dark Knight The Joker's Plot

[COMPO]

what do you think Joker's pan will be? Joker being the main villian will have a plan that will destroy Gotham or cause mass chaos? And i have a feeling it'll have something to do with the arms deal? What do you think?

 

[COMPO]

hey just found out how they can incorporate the arms deal and joker's plan have what happened in DKR happen in the film:

when the USSR launches a nuclear warhead called Coldbringer in response to Superman's presence in Corto Maltese. Superman manages to divert the missile to an uninhabited desert area before it detonates, but damage is done nonetheless. The warhead was designed to disrupt all electronics and communications in the Western Hemisphere as well as throw millions of tons of dust and debris into the atmosphere. Deprived of the sunlight that gives him his powers, Superman is nearly consumed by his own hypermetabolism. Gotham descends almost immediately into chaos as the blackout hits, with rioting and looting rocking the city. An airplane crippled by the electromagnetic pulse crashes into a building, feeding the panic. A few citizens, including Jim Gordon, pull together to fight the fires and retain some semblance of civilization until the power is restored.

Except, leave out all the Superman stuff.

 

[Rynan]

My money, he'll be robbing and murdering his way around Gotham, fufilling his peverse desire to propagate crime and terror within the city and causing a backlash among Gothamites toward Batman, whose apperance they blame for this escallation in these "super criminals". Batman(and the law officals who support him) will be forced not only to deal with The Joker's rampage, but also the public as well, not to mention the police's efforts to capture him.

But, of course, The Joker will be the real ringmaster behind the chaos.

 

[Darknightnomis]

It'll be what he did in 'the Laughing Fish'.

The Joker will mutated the fish of Gotham's waters so that they all carry his ghastly grin.

He'll then try bullying the copyright office into granting him royalties off the sale of all fish products—potential millions to fund his "happily hedonistic" lifestyle, he exults.

 

[James Bond 007]

Don't think this movie should go down the DKR route, or the Laughing Fish route, not yet anyway. Definitely not the Laughing Fish route anyway because mutated fish with clown grins might work great in the comics, but I don't think they'd work so well in a "reality-based" movie. But, then again, the Joker doesn't work so well in a "reality-based" movie. But, then again, BATMAN doesn't work so well in a "reality-based" movie. So, ya never know, but I think it should be based on the Joker's first appearance and The Killing Joke, like Chris Nolan has said. But, having said that, according to one of the documentaries on the BATMAN special edition DVD, Alex Ross, in my opinion the ULTIMATE DC artist, says he prefers the first Batman movie's version of the Joker because the idea of an already insane guy going even more insane is more believable than a perfectly nice ordinary guy suddenly snapping and turning into a homicidal psychopath.

 

[El Payaso]

I remember the first rumours about he Joker saying it was going to be a "small role."

 

[Darknightnomis]

Neal Adams was the ultimate DC artist (ol' school)

 

[NinjaTurtleFan]

Well, he can't do laughing gas because it'll feel like Batman 89' or "Batman Begins" (supplementing fear serum for laughing gas).

So I don't know exactly what his plan will be but I don't think his plan will be like Rahs' for world domination. He just wants to take over Gotham as do Penguin and the mob. So it'll mostly be a power struggle over turfs and cities and Joker will be the equalizer who decides it all in the end.

 

[COMPO]

My money, he'll be robbing and murdering his way around Gotham, fufilling his peverse desire to propagate crime and terror within the city and causing a backlash among Gothamites toward Batman, whose apperance they blame for this escallation in these "super criminals". Batman(and the law officals who support him) will be forced not only to deal with The Joker's rampage, but also the public as well, not to mention the police's efforts to capture him.

But, of course, The Joker will be the real ringmaster behind the chaos.

Yeah, but they said he'd be the main villain. And he's probably, going to want to cause panic and choas and DKR arc did cause panic.

Plus, it'll add to the thing Nolan said: "Things have to get worse before they can get better".

The people of Gotham and Gordon could rally around and try and stop the riots. Making a bad thing turn around. While, Batman takes down the Joker.

 

[Motown Marvel]

the last thing we need to see is some kooky villain with grand plans to destroy gotham.....its beyond played out.

 

[The Question]

My idea: Starts with his first story. Starts killing prominant figures in Gotham's high society, leaving taunting letters for the police and even highjacking a radio show to brag. While the city is in an uproar over what's going on, The Joker starts building up a gang ala Charles Manson. Disenfranchised youths, homeless people, and the mentally unstable are drawn to his n"do as you please" world view. Then, we cut to an adaptation of The Killing Joker, with The Joker busting into Gordon's apartment, where he is descussing the case with Rachel Dawes. The following scene directly mirrors that in The Killing Joke, although replacing Barbara with Rachel Batman arrives at Gordon's to find Rachel dead and Gordon's wife scared out of her mind, and goes after The Joker. The rest basically follows The Killing Joke to the letter.

 

[lujho]

How about NO grand 'plot', thank you very much.

Real criminal psychos don't have plots - they just do what they do.

Just have Joker killing of numerous individuals for his own perverse reasons. Actually, I think Ledger or Nolan was talking about the comic Joker being the predecessor to the modern serial killer who announces his crimes... someone like the Zodiac killer in the 70s. That sounds good to me.

And he *should* use some kind of "laugh yourself to death" chemical because it's such a horrific image and horrible way to die. Gas, injection, whatever. Not releasing HUGE clouds of it over the whole city but using it on a one-to-one basis. Keep it small.

Remember that scene in Mask of the Phantasm where a guy has been joker-gassed and he's just laughing and crying at the same time? Brilliant animation and voice-acting there - you can see the outright despair and madness in the guy, he so desperately wants to stop laughing but the more he tries the more he laughs. Tears are streaming from his eyes. Not to use that kind of scene would be a damn shame. They can make it that the actual death is caused by not being able to breathe or something.

So yeah. No huge, stupid, city-wide plots of mass destruction. It's been ****ing done to death. It's cliched, conventional, we've seen it 5 times before (and that's just in Batman movies... not to mention most other superhero movies and lots of other movies). It's silly. Give me a different kind of villain.

 

[raybia]

How about NO grand 'plot', thank you very much.

Real criminal psychos don't have plots - they just do what they do.

Just have Joker killing of numerous individuals for his own perverse reasons. Actually, I think Ledger or Nolan was talking about the comic Joker being the predecessor to the modern serial killer who announces his crimes... someone like the Zodiac killer in the 70s. That sounds good to me.

And he *should* use some kind of "laugh yourself to death" chemical because it's such a horrific image and horrible way to die. Gas, injection, whatever. Not releasing HUGE clouds of it over the whole city but using it on a one-to-one basis. Keep it small.

Remember that scene in Mask of the Phantasm where a guy has been joker-gassed and he's just laughing and crying at the same time? Brilliant animation and voice-acting there - you can see the outright despair and madness in the guy, he so desperately wants to stop laughing but the more he tries the more he laughs. Tears are streaming from his eyes. Not not use that kind of scene would be a damn shame. They can make it that the actual death is caused by not being able to breath or something.

So yeah. No huge, stupid, city-wide plots of mass destruction. It's been ****ing done to death. It's cliched, conventional, we've seen it 5 times before (and that's just in Batman movies... not to mention most other SUperhero movies and lots of other movies). It's silly. Give me a different kind of villain.

This folks is truly the model that Nolan MUST follow.

Good job luhjo!

 

[lujho]

Also, I think, as has been said before, they should quite closely follow the template of the first Joker story (can't remember exactly what it was called) and The Man Who laughs, which was based on it.

Basically, he announced who he would kill and when, and allowed the authorities to prepare and surround the victim with cops etc... and he still managed to commit the murders. One was done by poisoning the guy with Joker-toxin that had a 24 hour delayed effect - so he'd actually committed the crime 24 hourse before th guy died, surrounded by cops and Batman. Nice gag.

 

[NinjaTurtleFan]

How about NO grand 'plot', thank you very much.

Real criminal psychos don't have plots - they just do what they do.

Just have Joker killing of numerous individuals for his own perverse reasons. Actually, I think Ledger or Nolan was talking about the comic Joker being the predecessor to the modern serial killer who announces his crimes... someone like the Zodiac killer in the 70s. That sounds good to me.

And he *should* use some kind of "laugh yourself to death" chemical because it's such a horrific image and horrible way to die. Gas, injection, whatever. Not releasing HUGE clouds of it over the whole city but using it on a one-to-one basis. Keep it small.

Remember that scene in Mask of the Phantasm where a guy has been joker-gassed and he's just laughing and crying at the same time? Brilliant animation and voice-acting there - you can see the outright despair and madness in the guy, he so desperately wants to stop laughing but the more he tries the more he laughs. Tears are streaming from his eyes. Not to use that kind of scene would be a damn shame. They can make it that the actual death is caused by not being able to breathe or something.

So yeah. No huge, stupid, city-wide plots of mass destruction. It's been ****ing done to death. It's cliched, conventional, we've seen it 5 times before (and that's just in Batman movies... not to mention most other superhero movies and lots of other movies). It's silly. Give me a different kind of villain.

Like it but he does need flashbacks to his origin of how he became Joker.

 

[Obsidian]

what do you think Joker's pan will be? Joker being the main villian will have a plan that will destroy Gotham or cause mass chaos? And i have a feeling it'll have something to do with the arms deal? What do you think?

I'd prefer it if Joker's main scheme was to cause chaos by going around Gotham, killing people. No doomsday scheme please. It worked with Ra's Al Ghul because he is a terrorist, but I expect the other villian(s) to just maim and kill people, so Batman has to stop them.

 

[lujho]

"Chaos" is too strong a word for me. It should be the same thing that London experienced with the Ripper, or San Francisco with Zodiac.

Not fun at all... but not exactly "chaos". "Chaos" is such a huge and over-the-top and well... comic-booky motivation for a villain. I think Ra's Al Ghul is the only villain who should want to cause a HUGE chaos-inducing event, and frankly I think they should have built up to that over a few films.

 

[NinjaTurtleFan]

"Chaos" is too strong a word for me. It should be the same thing that London experienced with the Ripper, or San Francisco with Zodiac.

Not fun at all... but not exactly "chaos". "Chaos" is such a huge and over-the-top and well... comic-booky motivation for a villain. I think Ra's Al Ghul is the only villain who should want to cause a HUGE chaos-inducing event, and frankly I think they should have built up to that over a few films.

I agree. Besides, at the end of "Batman Begins" it promised escalation. How is escalation created? By fear. If you have a deranged serial-killer running amok over town knifing and gutting people, shooting them with laughing gas, and murdering mob bosses and gangsters that'd induce fear and escalation.

 

[IAmTheKnight]

I really want to see a combination of the escalation and mob war angles. The balance is already upset with Falcone out of commission, and then the Joker comes on the scene and starts trying to take over. And, yes, the laughing gas should be used on a one-on-one basis.

 

[BatShash]

I think the joker will be full of tricks this time and he might be a very intelligent (devilish funny of course) guy too.

 

[The Question]

I really want to see a combination of the escalation and mob war angles. The balance is already upset with Falcone out of commission, and then the Joker comes on the scene and starts trying to take over. And, yes, the laughing gas should be used on a one-on-one basis.

But The Joker isn't a mobster.

 

[HR-PUFF&STUFF]

this is what the movie will be about.

 

[Maniacal]

this is what the movie will be about.

lmao he said ***** HAHAHAHAHA

 

[lujho]

But The Joker isn't a mobster.

But he can still wage war against the mob.

 

[Rynan]

But The Joker isn't a mobster.

Mobster
n. informal
A member of a criminal gang or crime syndicate.

That should help some people. And, by definition, The Joker could be considered a mobster, seeing as he sometimes enlists henchmen to form a criminal gang to impliment some of his schemes.