Justice League The Justice League Critic Reviews/Rotten Tomatoes Thread

[Predator jp]

They did a soft reboot with First Class to give the franchise a new start, though.

i do think JL will serve as a soft reboot in terms of the characterizations of some of the characters namely Superman and Batman.

 

[Seahawksfan]

Zach doesn't deserve this ****. It's all going to come back on him again.

Lol all of this falls on Zach's shoulders... it's his movie, his trilogy, etc. The dude struck out. 3 whiffs in a row. There is no next time. He's done. WB shouldn't have him touch any of their properties going forward... Snyder had his chance and choked. He's critic cancer.

 

[DeadPresident]

Not to mention the fact that he was deconstructing that which was not even constructed.

Well he was attempting to deconstruct the entire mythos of those two characters, which is fine if every audience member walking in has extensive history with various different approaches of the characters. As a fan of both and being familiar with multiple interpretations I could see what he was aiming for, but the technical faults still feel jarring.

However, going into a bit of a haphazard deconstruction as someone without extensive knowledge of the characters (or people who do have the knowledge but just don't like the approach) does mean a large segment of viewers are going to find it dissatisfying.

 

[Joeyjojo72]

Look at the bright side SaumriAdams. You can now save your money and get JL on Redbox since RT is the only thing that matters around this place.

By "this place", do you mean the threas with RT in the title? And should i not assume that it "matters" to those who take the time to read and post here? Confused...

 

[DeadPresident]

Let's drop pretense, RT has an inordinate amount of sway with users of this site across forums and threads.

 

[honestbharani]

Well he was attempting to deconstruct the entire mythos of those two characters, which is fine if every audience member walking in has extensive history with various different approaches of the characters. As a fan of both and being familiar with multiple interpretations I could see what he was aiming for, but the technical faults still feel jarring.

However, going into a bit of a haphazard deconstruction as someone without extensive knowledge of the characters (or people who do have the knowledge but just don't like the approach) does mean a large segment of viewers are going to find it dissatisfying.

Yeah, but in the context a cinematic universe, that is just stupid. Even just in the movies, those two characters have had multiple variations. You can accuse a lot at the earlier Batman and Superman movies but monotone is not one of them. So essentially, Snyder worked hard at something that was never really gonna achieve anything. I understood his vision with MoS and even if I didn't agree on a number of parts of it, I was happy the movie ended the way it did. It suggested a certain type and tone of Superman we will get in this universe and then he just brushed it away in his own very next movie for absolutely no good reason, except perhaps he wanted to push that "his and DC's are the serious, tackle-existential-questions CB movies", which again was proving a point at no-one, really.

 

[warcam]

I predict it'll end at about 39%.

Think BvS/SS type of reviews, but with a little more humor and fun character interaction/moments to bring the score up from those.

If the first set of reviews from the usual suspects are trying hard to find positives among the flaws, then you know the more mainstream critics are going to be even less forgiving.

 

[routhman]

Not to mention the fact that he was deconstructing that which was not even constructed.

I’ve been hearing this since BvS came out. Frankly it’s BS. These characters have been constructed and deconstructed and intimately part of pop culture for 80 years.

If I made a film deconstructing Greek mythology, would everyone claim that I hadn’t told them who Zeus was SUPPOSED to be?

 

[honestbharani]

Let's drop pretense, RT has an inordinate amount of sway with users of this site across forums and threads.

Funnily enough, more so with the ones who say it doesn't than the ones who accept it does.

 

[Joeyjojo72]

So you’re not even reading certain reviews but you’re fine judging what they say, making character assumptions about the authors and encouraging others to not even read the reviews that you actually don’t know have the bias that you claim because you didn’t read them.

Congratulations, you’re a fascist.

Eh, everybody knows that bad reviews are Fake News. Unless i agree with them.

 

[honestbharani]

I’ve been hearing this since BvS came out. Frankly it’s BS. These characters have been constructed and deconstructed and intimately part of pop culture for 80 years.

If I made a film deconstructing Greek mythology, would everyone claim that I hadn’t told them who Zeus was SUPPOSED to be?

Yeah, if you release it to a WW audience who have not had access to the source material. Just read my earlier post. And please tell me, coz I have been reliably informed by some other DCEU fans in these very boards, that there is no one iteration of these characters that can be considered universal. So what exactly was Snyder trying to "deconstruct" again?


BTW, I ccan make a movie de-constructing the mythology of the Mahabharatha as well. Would you understand a line of it, though?

 

[MbJ]

This is Zack’s third DCEU movie; he has been given enough opportunities.

Yeah I'm sure people are going to push the narrative this is somehow Whedon or WB's fault when ya know, there is a commonality between these three films.

 

[DeadPresident]

Yeah, but in the context a cinematic universe, that is just stupid. Even just in the movies, those two characters have had multiple variations. You can accuse a lot at the earlier Batman and Superman movies but monotone is not one of them. So essentially, Snyder worked hard at something that was never really gonna achieve anything. I understood his vision with MoS and even if I didn't agree on a number of parts of it, I was happy the movie ended the way it did. It suggested a certain type and tone of Superman we will get in this universe and then he just brushed it away in his own very next movie for absolutely no good reason, except perhaps he wanted to push that "his and DC's are the serious, tackle-existential-questions CB movies", which again was proving a point at no-one, really.

Meh, I don't have a strong opinion on that because I enjoy movies that assume I'm older than thirteen and haven't had a frontal lobotomy. I like what Snyder did with BvS, I just think there were noticeable technical flaws that I find difficult to ignore on repeat viewings. That said, I can agree that at least at a commercial/statistical level Snyder's approach was likely only ever going to find a limited number of supporters because of how off-center it was.

In hindsight, the correct thing to avoid the cataclysm that was BvS would've probably been to do an MoS2 delivering the Superman it sounds like we're getting in JL, and then possibly going a similar route to BvS.

 

[dougal]

Zach doesn't deserve this ****. It's all going to come back on him again.

Why, he is the new M.Night. His movies are all short clips, almost like a music video. When it works, it is enjoyable. But when it does not, it is painful.

He will get more gigs, they all do. Heck M.Night has made how many movies?

 

[honestbharani]

Meh, I don't have a strong opinion on that because I enjoy movies that assume I'm older than thirteen and haven't had a frontal lobotomy. I like what Snyder did with BvS, I just think there were noticeable technical flaws that I find difficult to ignore on repeat viewings. That said, I can agree that at least at a commercial/statistical level Snyder's approach was likely only ever going to find a limited number of supporters because of how off-center it was.

In hindsight, the correct thing to avoid the cataclysm that was BvS would've probably been to do an MoS2 delivering the Superman it sounds like we're getting in JL, and then possibly going a similar route to BvS.

If you do not get that Snyder's aren't the only SH movies that assume that, then its squarely your fault.


EDIT: Its not that Snyder tried to provoke thoughts and questions and that caused the movie to fail. Its the fact that the stuff he thinks were these amazing thought lightnings were nothing but. Not to mention the fact that he had twisted the age old selling point of such movies, the characters, so much to ensure he gets across whatever these messages were and therefore compromised on the movie as an entity in order to fuel his own image of being this director who can make thought provoking SH movies.

 

[Sarcastic Fan]

"Once in awhile, there comes along something so egregiously bad that trying to find something good to say about it is its own kind of cruelty..."

https://www.vanityfair.com/hollywood/2017/11/justice-league-review

 

[DeadPresident]

If you do not get that Snyder's aren't the only SH movies that assume that, then its squarely your fault.

I'm not claiming they are at all, I'm a big fan of a variety of SH movies, and a number of the MCU movies (IM1/TWS/Avengers), but the ones I dislike I dislike because there's a lot of dialogue, tone and some plot-elements that seem like I'm being treated like a moron.

I can at least respect an attempt at a movie that treats me like an intelligent human being, even if that attempt ultimately failed.

 

[honestbharani]

I'm not claiming they are at all, I'm a big fan of a variety of SH movies, and a number of the MCU movies (IM1/TWS/Avengers), but the ones I dislike I dislike because there's a lot of dialogue, tone and some plot-elements that seem like I'm being treated like a moron.

I can at least respect an attempt at a movie that treats me like an intelligent human being, even if that attempt ultimately failed.

That was BvS to me in a nutshell.

 

[Seahawksfan]

"Once in awhile, there comes along something so egregiously bad that trying to find something good to say about it is its own kind of cruelty..."

https://www.vanityfair.com/hollywood/2017/11/justice-league-review

There's no way it's this bad... I'll be the first to admit that I'm not a fan of Snyder's work, but c'mon people think the movie sucks this much? I guess I'll find out on Friday night.

 

[DeadPresident]

"Once in awhile, there comes along something so egregiously bad that trying to find something good to say about it is its own kind of cruelty..."

https://www.vanityfair.com/hollywood/2017/11/justice-league-review

It's reviews like this that make it difficult to assume there isn't something personal/vindictive aimed at BvS/JL.

WW was a media darling not even a year ago, now it's being used as a punchline to beat JL with The wheels on the bus go 'round and 'round.

 

[Joeyjojo72]

Actually, being 13 when i saw MoS or BvS wouldve increased my enjoyment level significantly.

 

[DeadPresident]

That was BvS to me in a nutshell.

Fair enough, I didn't feel that way, but different strokes for different folks and all

 

[Fedor]

There's no way it's this bad... I'll be the first to admit that I'm not a fan of Snyder's work, but c'mon people think the movie sucks this much? I guess I'll find out on Friday night.

Its that bad

 

[dougal]

Meh, I don't have a strong opinion on that because I enjoy movies that assume I'm older than thirteen and haven't had a frontal lobotomy. I like what Snyder did with BvS, I just think there were noticeable technical flaws that I find difficult to ignore on repeat viewings. That said, I can agree that at least at a commercial/statistical level Snyder's approach was likely only ever going to find a limited number of supporters because of how off-center it was.

In hindsight, the correct thing to avoid the cataclysm that was BvS would've probably been to do an MoS2 delivering the Superman it sounds like we're getting in JL, and then possibly going a similar route to BvS.

I agree with this. I personally like the more complicated nature of BvS and the Watchman. When they work perfectly, they work. The Avengers and the Dark Knight are two examples. When the have flaws, repeat viewing makes them painful.

Synder's directional style is too heavy on short, seemingly unrelated clips. There is no flow.

 

[BH/HHH]

I agree with this. I personally like the more complicated nature of BvS and the Watchman. When they work perfectly, they work. The Avengers and the Dark Knight are two examples. When the have flaws, repeat viewing makes them painful.

Synder's directional style is too heavy on short, seemingly unrelated clips. There is no flow.

I actually can’t watxh the Dark Knight anymore. I rewatch Begins about once a year but I tend to skip the Dark Knight. I’ll watsh Rises but I have loads of problems with that film. The Dark knight though for me is just a film that I saw too many times so it doesn’t ever feel fresh on rewatches.