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Justice League The Justice League Critic Reviews/Rotten Tomatoes Thread

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I'm sorry, but no.

These are films. They have to work as films. Most of the audience won't be people who've read the comic books.

Look, all I'm pondering is whether or not the critics actually have an interest
in comic book films. That, in and of itself, could be a bias if they don't.

I'm not trying to insinuate that I expect every review to be positive. There
will be negative reviews. For those that are, though, I just question their
interest in the film to start with.

Secondly, I understand grievances with pacing, low quality CGI, lack of
character development, etc. I get it. Perhaps I'm wrong, but there's no
way Justice League is a film that warrants such strong negativity. In
which case, there could be a bias. I'm not saying that it's the case, but
the possibility is there.
 
It depends on the score and which fan base you align with.

If you like a movie with a high RT score...it matters. "See? This proves it's good!"

If you like a movie with a low RT score...it doesn't matter. "Critics hate my favorite!"

If you dislike a movie with a high RT score...it doesn't matter. "Critics always give them a pass!"

If you dislike a movie with a low RT score...it matters. "This proves it's bad".

Same thing every time. Just got the perfect example this year with the great reviews for WW and (apparent) mediocre reviews for JL. Just 5 months ago critics were geniuses who know good film making when they see it. The critical reactions for WW are put in headlines. Now it's right back to "they hate DC" or "they hate Snyder". Would be fun to watch things change if the score shot up into the 80s or something.
Very good post.
 
Look, all I'm pondering is whether or not the critics actually have an interest
in comic book films. That, in and of itself, could be a bias if they don't.

I'm not trying to insinuate that I expect every review to be positive. There
will be negative reviews. For those that are, though, I just question their
interest in the film to start with.

Secondly, I understand grievances with pacing, low quality CGI, lack of
character development, etc. I get it. Perhaps I'm wrong, but there's no
way Justice League is a film that warrants such strong negativity. In
which case, there could be a bias. I'm not saying that it's the case, but
the possibility is there.


A movie is a movie though, ultimately. And will be reviewed as one. If the director chooses a plot or genre that makes knowledge and even love for CB a necessity, its their problem. A reviewer still has to view it as a movie like every other movie he watches and critique it on its merits and demerits from that aspect.
 
Jesus, why does everything have to be about Zack Snyder? I'm sure he's a really nice person but the movie is not good. Think about it: The first Justice League film is mediocre at best and all some folks seem to care about is Zack Snyder's feelings.

idk man. the dude has driven the DCEU into a dumpster. His movie, his trilogy... It's not like Joss came in and changed much. Ben said it himself that at max reshoots can change 10-15% of a movie. The horrible, dog **** core of a movie was already in place before the studio came in and meddled with it. I'm sure it had a few dumb sub plots (looking at you lois lane and your bullet investigation sub plot). Let's face it. Snyder is to blame for this. It sounds like there was only so much the studio could do to salvage the end product. Painting lipstick on a pig.

i will say... WB should have delayed JL after the BvS backlash. Delay it by 6-8 months, regain your composure, fire Snyder, and regroup... but instead they greenlit this thinking everything would be okay. i don't get it.
 
idk man. the dude has driven the DCEU into a dumpster. His movie, his trilogy... It's not like Joss came in and changed much. Ben said it himself that at max reshoots can change 10-15% of a movie. The horrible, dog **** core of a movie was already in place before the studio came in and meddled with it. I'm sure it had a few dumb sub plots (looking at you lois lane and your bullet investigation sub plot). Let's face it. Snyder is to blame for this. It sounds like there was only so much the studio could do to salvage the end product. Painting lipstick on a pig.

i will say... WB should have delayed JL after the BvS backlash. Delay it by 6-8 months, regain your composure, fire Snyder, and regroup... but instead they greenlit this thinking everything would be okay. i don't get it.

Joss is responsible for 15-20% of the movie according to producers.
 
Joss is responsible for 15-20% of the movie according to producers.

That's fine. A common theme among the reviews is that the core story/villain/end game of the movie is terrible.

From the sounds of it, the small character interactions are the bright spots...

Joss isn't going to come in and change the entire story. Steppenwolf is still the villain, with a bug invasion. Horrible story is still there.
 
Look, all I'm pondering is whether or not the critics actually have an interest
in comic book films. That, in and of itself, could be a bias if they don't.

Should the only critics who review comedies be comedy fans? But wait, what if they prefer spoofs? What if they prefer uncomfortable comedies that aren't designed to make you burst out laughing every three seconds?

Should the only critics who prefer horror movies be horror fans? But wait, what if they prefer ghost stories? Or what if they prefer slashers and hate horror that isn't gory?

Do they love horror movies too much? Do they give a pass to every horror movie because they're fans of the genre?

If this is what we're working with, we're always going to find bias if we want to, because someone out there is always going to disagree with our opinion of a movie.

Perhaps I'm wrong, but there's no
way Justice League is a film that warrants such strong negativity. In
which case, there could be a bias. I'm not saying that it's the case, but
the possibility is there.

But that's the thing - the reaction isn't that negative. It's mixed. Sure, some critics hate it. But there are critics on the other side of the spectrum who love it. One isn't more biased than the other.
 
At least I hope the studio will learn their lesson to not rush into productions anymore.
 
Joss is responsible for 15-20% of the movie according to producers.

Gosh darn guys, can we not be driven into a witch hunt? The movie is what it is, don't try to analyze who is responsible for which part of the movie that failed RT. We are better than that! Put the RT scores down, get a ticket, go watch the movie yourself, decide if you agree with the critics or not. Then no matter the outcome, be cool about it and accept things for what they are.
 
To me, I standby what I posted earlier today. He is a mediocre film maker. Good as a visual director, bad as a storyteller. He neither deserves the astoundingly stupid high-praise or the shockingly vitriolic hate he seems to get online everywhere, including these forums.

That's where I stand with Snyder. I like Watchmen and parts of BVS but never liked any of his other work. I simply despise Sucker Punch and it's one of the worst movies I have ever watched. I was surprised when he was asked to direct MOS right after he made Sucker Punch.

Also, I do like some of his visuals but not always. For example, I found the Doomsday fight in in BVS really bad. The explosions and fire in the fight was too distracting and made it look ugly. Some of his action sequences come across video-gamish. But there are comic-book fans who love the kind of action sequences he directs so that may be down to personal taste.
 
Joss is responsible for 15-20% of the movie according to producers.

I think Joss deserves some criticism as well: a decent portion of this movie's issues seem to come from post-production, and he was heavily involved with that stuff. Still, you don't see people being super protective of Joss Whedon and that's why I didn't mention him in my post.
 
If I can have a fanboy moment......


But Joss fixed Superman. That absolves him off everything else about JL. :)
 
That's where I stand with Snyder. I like Watchmen and parts of BVS but never liked any of his other work. I simply despise Sucker Punch and it's one of the worst movies I have ever watched. I was surprised when he was asked to direct MOS right after he made Sucker Punch.

Also, I do like some of his visuals but not always. For example, I found the Doomsday fight in in BVS really bad. The explosions and fire in the fight was too distracting and made it look ugly. Some of his action sequences come across video-gamish. But there are comic-book fans who love the kind of action sequences he directs so that may be down to personal taste.

I still remember this one youtube video about BvS and the guy who made the video points to a particular scene in BvS with Doomsday and goes "WTF is the point of having this ability?". Genuinely made me LOL on a random weekend midnight. :D
 
A movie is a movie though, ultimately. And will be reviewed as one. If the director chooses a plot or genre that makes knowledge and even love for CB a necessity, its their problem. A reviewer still has to view it as a movie like every other movie he watches and critique it on its merits and demerits from that aspect.

Different standards are set for different types of film.
Every film is not one in the same, nor will they have the same standard
as it relates to the overall category of the film. For example, you can't judge
a horror film off the standard of a comedy film? How could you?

As extreme as that example is, it's just insight on how
there is no one universal standard for reviewing films. It has a lot
to do with personal interest and what people expect from a film based
on that interest.

My previous post does cover the topics that films, universally,
could be graded on... plot, pacing, art/design, etc. Which leads to
me saying I doubt that it's that bad for Justice League.
 
Different standards are set for different types of film.
Every film is not one in the same, nor will they have the same standard
as it relates to the overall category of the film. For example, you can't judge
a horror film off the standard of a comedy film? How could you?

As extreme as that example is, it's just insight on how
there is no one universal standard for reviewing films. It has a lot
to do with personal interest and what people expect from a film based
on that interest.

My previous post does cover the topics that films, universally,
could be graded on... plot, pacing, art/design, etc. Which leads to
me saying I doubt that it's that bad for Justice League.


But that is your opinion though. Why should a critic share it? And will you have this opinion were it not a CB movie? Its just too many variables here to raise suspicions of bias. Sometimes the simplest reasoning is the rightest. :)
 
Surprisingly I found the Last Airbender moderately entertaining. I've seen it more than once.

I found Watchmen pretty bleak, didn't enjoy the story, but loved the visuals. 300 was just a pure joy, it did occur me then while watching 300 for the first time that the director of that movie should attempt a Batman film.

Like you, I also somewhat enjoyed Last Airbender. I will have to disagree with you on Watchmen and 300 though. I thought Watchmen was a good movie. Snyder's best work by far. However, 300 was bad. Completely hollow. All style, no substance. No story. But that was simply because of the nature of the source material and what the movie was about. I don't enjoy those kinds of movies so I found it sub par.
 
Grace Randolph's Review.... pack aspirin before watching.

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I still don't know what to make of her. Sometimes she talks sense and other times she says **** that makes me think she flipped through a dictionary and chose 20 random words and made a sentence of them.
 
Trying to hide the Rotten Tomatoes score was a silly idea. Everyone here knows it. What was the point? Just release the reviews and the evolving tomato meter grade like usual. What was the point of trying to hide it?

Fans are very unruly about the tomato meter, but that's never going to change. DC fans want validation from the critics because it shows these characters they grew up loving are worthy of being recognized as cultural art. It's not exactly the same, but it reminds me of fans who are rooting for your favorite sports team. You want to see your favorite sports team win. So I understand that.

I just think RT trying to hide it like this to either milk traffic and people constantly checking for the score or even if it was because they were afraid of backlash from the fans, it was silly.
 
Should the only critics who review comedies be comedy fans? But wait, what if they prefer spoofs? What if they prefer uncomfortable comedies that aren't designed to make you burst out laughing every three seconds?

Should the only critics who prefer horror movies be horror fans? But wait, what if they prefer ghost stories? Or what if they prefer slashers and hate horror that isn't gory?

Do they love horror movies too much? Do they give a pass to every horror movie because they're fans of the genre?

If this is what we're working with, we're always going to find bias if we want to, because someone out there is always going to disagree with our opinion of a movie.



But that's the thing - the reaction isn't that negative. It's mixed. Sure, some critics hate it. But there are critics on the other side of the spectrum who love it. One isn't more biased than the other.

Yes, professionally speaking.

If I'm unsure about seeing the latest new horror film, and a critic
who has an interest in horror and has developed a keen sense of
what makes a horror film great reviewed it negatively, then I might just
save my money and not worry about seeing the film.

On the flip-side, if it's reviewed by someone who really doesn't care
for horror films and doesn't understand what makes a horror film great,
and he or she reviewed it negatively. Well, how does that help me as a
general moviegoer? After all, the point of critics is to inform the general
public of what's out there and give you a general idea of what's being
reviewed. I'm supposed to take their word on it, when they don't have an
interest with it to start with?

That's all I'm getting at.

I'm not bashing any critic.
I'm just wondering about their legitimacy to make such strong statements.
It's a fair question.
 
I still don't know what to make of her. Sometimes she talks sense and other times she says **** that makes me think she flipped through a dictionary and chose 20 random words and made a sentence of them.
She was the one that claimed Disney was bribing critics to trash Batman v Superman and said she had proof. Her proof was the movie was bad but not 27 percent bad.
 
I can understand why they hired him for MOS, but keeping him, after that and BvS, is just poor decision-making by WB.

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