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[Consona]

And we go from sadistic, murdery Batman to Jack Benny in a ****ing cowl.

Somebody needs to kidnap everyone at WB, and hold them hostage with guns to their head, until they all understand the term “striking a happy medium”.

That's one of the reasons why I love BvS. No f***ing halfway movie. That's why I love TDK.

 

[GothamBat]

blame Whedon man... Bruce's first scene with the parademon was much darker before it was reshot. He was also overtly planning on sacrificing his life to atone for his sins and his murderous ways. Apparently he was going to snap fingers and swear more too.

 

[FunkMiller]

blame Whedon man... Bruce's first scene with the parademon was much darker before it was reshot. He was also overtly planning on sacrificing his life to atone for his sins and his murderous ways. Apparently he was going to snap fingers and swear more too.

I’d have bought that quite easily after BvS. It was still a stupid decision to make Batman murdery in the first place, but at least it would have been mitigated by a decent pay off.

Cluster****.

 

[idiot09]

blame Whedon man...

I blame Whedon for a lot of stuff...but not this. Because the leaks you are saying are true,come from a very very flimsy source, that didnt get a single thing right that was confirmed by reliable people like the VFX guys or that guy from resetera. He got things wrong too like the Iris scene, and Superman being confused after coming back to the Kent farm.

 

[TheRedWraith]

To Kane: How else does one rate a movie that is so gutted and devoid of any real meaning or edge 50 to 60% of the time (on crucial scenes no less). Making it so as soon as one starts to get even a little into it the good scenes and lines are intercut with s*** ruining it all.

It is also important to note my rating system is as follows: 10-perfect (I've never given one of these out), 9 being amazing, 8-Great, 7-Good, 6-Okay, 5 meh, everything below 5 is just varying levels of crap. So the fact that through all the sh***y parts in the movie, from the reshoot tone to the reshoot lines, that Snyder could keep JL above a 5 is a testament to his skill. On the topic, thanks for reminding me to update my sig.

 

[Kane52630]

 

[Kane52630]

To Kane: How else does one rate a movie that is so gutted and devoid of any real meaning or edge 50 to 60% of the time (on crucial scenes no less). Making it so as soon as one starts to get even a little into it the good scenes and lines are intercut with s*** ruining it all.

It is also important to note my rating system is as follows: 10-perfect (I've never given one of these out), 9 being amazing, 8-Great, 7-Good, 6-Okay, 5 meh, everything below 5 is just varying levels of crap. So the fact that through all the sh***y parts in the movie, from the reshoot tone to the reshoot lines, that Snyder could keep JL above a 5 is a testament to his skill. On the topic, thanks for reminding me to update my sig.

I don't know what any of what you just typed has to do with you posting in a no discussion thread.

 

[TheRedWraith]

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[TheRedWraith]

I was posting in a hurry at the time and wasn't paying attention.

 

[souperman]

just wanna say...Called it!

Spoiler

 

[markjoedelonge]

just wanna say...Called it!

Spoiler

What's this?

 

[Cats]

https://upyourgeek.com/2017/11/28/rumor-wb-president-kevin-tsujihara-to-resign/

To avoid anymore negative press Tsujihara reportedly told a Hollywood super agent also known as Bryan Lourd (the father of Billie Lourd, Carrie Fisher’s daughter) that he would take a job in the Silicon Valley to avoid further pressure.

And they should seriously think about cutting off ties to Brett Ratner if Tsujihara leaves.

 

[FunkMiller]

https://upyourgeek.com/2017/11/28/rumor-wb-president-kevin-tsujihara-to-resign/

And they should seriously think about cutting off ties to Brett Ratner if Tsujihara leaves.

Oh, thank god if true.

 

[Micromind]

He must be feeling the heat, due to JL's performance.

 

[Mani-Man]

https://upyourgeek.com/2017/11/28/rumor-wb-president-kevin-tsujihara-to-resign/

And they should seriously think about cutting off ties to Brett Ratner if Tsujihara leaves.

It is for the best.
I dont believe for a single second that he is the sole person behind JLs mess, but heads need to roll.
Changes need to be made, a new direction for the DCCU needs to be found.
We need people who can rebuild the foundation.

 

[Poppy]

It's just a rumor, just like when Whedon was supposed to be fired from Batgirl.
Rumors which look like clever decisions, often turn out to be fake .

 

[Gu3ree]

BvS and Justice League being the follow-ups to Man of Steel, I think, was a mistake in the first place, which most of us all knew back then. Warner Bros probably could have suffered less criticism if they had done a MOS sequel first, BvS, Wondy, Flash and then Justice League. Maybe Aquaman as well...before JL. Then again, if BvS had actually been good for a change, also, there might have been a difference.

Even though it was roughly 5 years in the making, the same as MCU, DC didn't develop as much in that span of time. They were in such a rush, and it showed.

It was too soon for JL, as it was for the death of Superman. The most screen time Superman ever had was in MOS. I remember Lois Lane more in BvS than I do with Superman.

I'm not saying Warner Bros had to do the same thing as Marvel did, but if some of these characters were given more solo movies before Justice League, people might have been anticipated Justice League more. I honestly didn't see that much hype. It also didn't feel like "years in the making" as the movie was getting closer to its release. Technically it was two movies before Justice League, as MOS and BvS were kind of meant to be included as a trilogy. Suicide Squad didn't have a huge tie-in, so that one doesn't count for me. Wonder Woman did really well though, even though it was a standalone. Still, a MOS sequel, and a better Batman-Superman movie would have made this better.

 

[_Superman_]

BvS and Justice League being the follow-ups to Man of Steel, I think, was a mistake in the first place, which most of us all knew back then. Warner Bros probably could have suffered less criticism if they had done a MOS sequel first, BvS, Wondy, Flash and then Justice League. Maybe Aquaman as well...before JL. Then again, if BvS had actually been good for a change, also, there might have been a difference.

Even though it was roughly 5 years in the making, the same as MCU, DC didn't develop as much in that span of time. They were in such a rush, and it showed.

It was too soon for JL, as it was for the death of Superman. The most screen time Superman ever had was in MOS. I remember Lois Lane more in BvS than I do with Superman.

I'm not saying Warner Bros had to do the same thing as Marvel did, but if some of these characters were given more solo movies before Justice League, people might have been anticipated Justice League more. I honestly didn't see that much hype. It also didn't feel like "years in the making" as the movie was getting closer to its release. Technically it was two movies before Justice League, as MOS and BvS were kind of meant to be included as a trilogy. Suicide Squad didn't have a huge tie-in, so that one doesn't count for me. Wonder Woman did really well though, even though it was a standalone. Still, a MOS sequel, and a better Batman-Superman movie would have made this better.

See I don't get that part people are so quick to call SvB bad and like to always point to the RT critic review but they always overlook the fact that the movie still made a lot of money and that the UC was well received and overlook the RT GA rating for the movie is also very high. What I really think some people/posters should do is start putting in my opinion before calling it a bad movie or saying it was widely disliked because other than the critics that's just not the case. Honestly I can see why some people may take issue with the movie but it's nothing we haven't seen before in both movie and the comics from both heroes and it was a very good movie. It's just instead of a MOS sequel I think you needed a Batman lead up movie to show what put Bruce in that state of mind. Mainly showing the death of Robin and showing him losing faith. That's how it is always done in the comics when you see him become like that. They should've done that with Batman because I can understand his and the world's fear towards Superman it was already hinted at in MoS with Perry and Lois talking about it.

 

[MbJ]

See I don't get that part people are so quick to call SvB bad and like to always point to the RT critic review but they always overlook the fact that the movie still made a lot of money

This was discussed heavily here, which accurately predicted exactly what was gonna happen with Justice League's box office. Batman v. Superman was a front-loaded blockbuster that made almost all of its money on the opening weekend, which happened because of the sheer hype around the concept and the brand names involved. People forget how much hype there was around this movie. It was almost an Avengers level of hype.

But then a lot of people didn't end up liking the actual movie and as a result, declined to come back to watch the sequel.

 

[_Superman_]

This was discussed heavily here, which accurately predicted exactly what was gonna happen with Justice League's box office. Batman v. Superman was a front-loaded blockbuster that made almost all of its money on the opening weekend, which happened because of the sheer hype around the concept and the brand names involved. People forget how much hype there was around this movie. It was almost an Avengers level of hype.

But then a lot of people didn't end up liking the actual movie and as a result, declined to come back to watch the sequel.

Understood but most of those who did see the UC loved the movie and those who didn't (the GA) still liked the movie (the TC cut) or thought it was ok and bottom line if it wasn't as liked as you claim it to be then it wouldn't have made the money it did nor would it have beaten out Civil War in Blu-ray sales either. I'll agree with this though if more people loved the movie instead of liked it or thought it was just ok then yes it would've made more money but in the long run most just saw it as good or average. If people truly didn't like it then the movie would've made or be around Justice League money because of WOM and it wouldn't have the GA/fan rating it does have. What hurt Justice League is not BvS or Wonder Woman wouldn't have made the money it did what hurt the movie is all the behind the scenes drama that occurred when reshoots were announced and the WB doing nothing to put an end to those rumors. Before reshoots where announced people were very hyped for Justice League once the reshoots were announced and you had articles almost every other day claiming how troubled this movie is and Joss is stepping in to save the movie and DC is trying to "Marvel" the movie up and you have no one from DC/WB coming in and trying to calm people's fears or questions that's what hurt the movie not SvB.

 

[JOE]

Heads can roll all they want, it won’t bring JL more money. Maybe they can do with Flashpoint what FOX did with DOFP to right the wrong?

 

[gerrym51]

BvS tc bad

BvS UC much better

neither great.










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[Gu3ree]

See I don't get that part people are so quick to call SvB bad and like to always point to the RT critic review but they always overlook the fact that the movie still made a lot of money and that the UC was well received and overlook the RT GA rating for the movie is also very high. What I really think some people/posters should do is start putting in my opinion before calling it a bad movie or saying it was widely disliked because other than the critics that's just not the case. Honestly I can see why some people may take issue with the movie but it's nothing we haven't seen before in both movie and the comics from both heroes and it was a very good movie. It's just instead of a MOS sequel I think you needed a Batman lead up movie to show what put Bruce in that state of mind. Mainly showing the death of Robin and showing him losing faith. That's how it is always done in the comics when you see him become like that. They should've done that with Batman because I can understand his and the world's fear towards Superman it was already hinted at in MoS with Perry and Lois talking about it.

I wasn't talking about box offices, excluding Justice League. I didn't like BvS, not because of RT or the critics, it's just because I didn't like it, and I would argue that BvS was widely disliked by audiences, while, it was liked by others. It did make good money, however from what it looked in the trailers, I thought the film could have reached 1 billion dollars. The UC didn't do that much for me either.

I don't think a Batman-solo movie was needed prior to BvS, say if they had planned on keeping Christian Bale for the role, but we had a new actor, but the problem, if they were just going to do another origin Batman movie, people wouldn't have wanted that, and it would have been too soon, right after one trilogy ended. I think enough people, and the general audiences, are at least familiar with Batman enough to understand the character's motives to kill Superman. If they've watched The Dark Knight trilogy, or if they're just fans of Batman generally, they probably understand. And with enough subtext, details like this version of Batman has already been active for 20 years and is tired, weary and more brutal, etc, we get it. We got a slightly similar Bruce Wayne in The Dark Knight Rises.