Arrow The League of Assassins Thread

[mr. peasant]

This might come off a little random... but I'm hoping that although she might initially present herself as Ra's' daughter, it will then later be revealed that Nyssa IS Ra's al Ghul him/herself, with the latter being a mantle passed down through the generations from an original Ra's and that this is how Ra's appears to be immortal.

 

[Loki882]

Or we can just do the ACTUAL Ra's.

 

[MagnarTheGreat]

I'm fine with Ra's just being this unseen presence over the series.

 

[Loki882]

But most people wouldn't be. If they had just continue teasing him as this mysterious force, like Malcolm's speech in season 1, then maybe they could have gotten away with it. But since they actually mentioned him by name, and continue to do so, and keep hyping him up as this huge threat, then they HAVE to show him eventually. Otherwise, it looks like a cheap and lazy cop out.

 

[Llama_Shepherd]

If they actually introduce Ra's as an enemy to Green Arrow, they may as well retitle the series to "We couldn't afford Batman".

 

[DrRocket]

^ /facepalm

 

[Shikamaru]

If they actually introduce Ra's as an enemy to Green Arrow, they may as well retitle the series to "We couldn't afford Batman".

This.

If they just do the Batman/Ra's dynamic but with Green Arrow instead, that is just going to scream of unoriginality and "sloppy seconds".

 

[Boy Scout]

I don't want Ra's to have any respect for Oliver if he ever appears. That should be reserved for Batman alone.

 

[Shikamaru]

I agree. That would provide for an interesting and unique dynamic.

At the very least, he should be "the most worthy opponent since the detective". Or something like that.

 

[Herolee10]

Anyone else find it weird on how we had one LOA Person that pretty much dissed the usage of archery as a means of killing someone, and yet we're getting two prominent members (with one of them now being a former member on the run and the other being the leader's daughter) being skilled archers?

 

[DrRocket]

^ why wouldn't he have respect for Oliver, if ras does appear [most likely] Oliver will defeat him, that's how it is. I hope it happens exactly like it does with batman, the reactions are gonna be epic.

 

[MagnarTheGreat]

I like the idea of Ra's being so big and badass that he has plenty of talented LoA members that will come to Starling City to pursue his agenda. He doesn't necessarily need to hang out there in the city himself. I like the idea of him being a phantom that interferes with big cities all around the world.

 

[Shikamaru]

^ why wouldn't he have respect for Oliver, if ras does appear [most likely] Oliver will defeat him, that's how it is. I hope it happens exactly like it does with batman, the reactions are gonna be epic.

The reactions will be mostly negative. Nobody wants to see a rehash of the Batman/Ra's dynamic but just with another character being substituted. Plus, it would only further push the idea that Green Arrow is just a poor man's Batman, which is something this show has done a really good job of avoiding this season.

 

[Herolee10]

The reactions will be mostly negative. Nobody wants to see a rehash of the Batman/Ra's dynamic but just with another character being substituted. Plus, it would only further push the idea that Green Arrow is just a poor man's Batman, which is something this show has done a really good job of avoiding this season.

Agreed; I mean I know fans of Green Arrow wouldn't be happy if they saw Bruce's character taking direct liberties from Green Arrow's.

Instead of trying to make Green Arrow like Batman, they should focus on making Green Arrow like Green Arrow and show why the character has his fans with his current characterization.

Plus, the level of intelligence that we've seen Oliver display is no where near the level of the kind that Bruce has..the kind that Ra's would actually appreciate.

 

[DrRocket]

First, I think we should all except the fact that Bruce Wayne doesn't exist in the arrow verse and so Ras won't have to respect jack all.

And second, this whole Oliver is a poor mans batman may have been true in his early start in the comics but in this show he only has the following in common, is a billionaire and a crime fighter, that's about it.

Thirdly, this is Loosely based on the comics, they can take whatever liberties they want, maybe Oliver inspires Bruce to become a vigilante [oh the tears ], maybe Ras is gay for Oliver or whatever.

 

[Shikamaru]

First, I think we should all except the fact that Bruce Wayne doesn't exist in the arrow verse and so Ras won't have to respect jack all.

The writers have expressed interest in using Batman and Nightwing. This means that at least in the minds of the writers, Batman exists in this universe. Plus, that wouldn't change the fact that they rehashed the Batman/Ra's dynamic but with Green Arrow as a substitute (assuming they go the "successor" route). As Llama_Shepherd said, they might as well rename the show to "We couldn't afford Batman."

And second, this whole Oliver is a poor mans batman may have been true in his early start in the comics but in this show he only has the following in common, is a billionaire and a crime fighter, that's about it.

And if they want things to stay that way, they should avoid rehashing the Batman/Ra's dynamic.

Thirdly, this is Loosely based on the comics, they can take whatever liberties they want, maybe Oliver inspires Bruce to become a vigilante [oh the tears ], maybe Ras is gay for Oliver or whatever.

Doesn't mean it would be a good idea.

 

[Dk1201]

Or we can just do the ACTUAL Ra's.

I agree so does Hilary duff



sorry but when you find a great gif you gotta use it

 

[Sawyer]

First, I think we should all except the fact that Bruce Wayne doesn't exist in the arrow verse and so Ras won't have to respect jack all.

And second, this whole Oliver is a poor mans batman may have been true in his early start in the comics but in this show he only has the following in common, is a billionaire and a crime fighter, that's about it.

Thirdly, this is Loosely based on the comics, they can take whatever liberties they want, maybe Oliver inspires Bruce to become a vigilante [oh the tears ], maybe Ras is gay for Oliver or whatever.

We don't have to accept anything of the sort, because it's probably not true. Bruce Wayne can very easily exist in this universe.

Whether or not he is used, that's a different story...

 

[Boy Scout]

I agree. That would provide for an interesting and unique dynamic.

I agree. We would have a threat that was both very capable of defeating Oliver and at the same time completely uninterested in engaging with him at all. It would also be interesting to see Oliver completely outclassed.

Anyone else find it weird on how we had one LOA Person that pretty much dissed the usage of archery as a means of killing someone, and yet we're getting two prominent members (with one of them now being a former member on the run and the other being the leader's daughter) being skilled archers?

Not really. You don't have to respect the way your colleague gets the job done just because they're your colleague.

^ why wouldn't he have respect for Oliver...

Because he's on an entirely different level.

if ras does appear [most likely] Oliver will defeat him, that's how it is. I hope it happens exactly like it does with batman, the reactions are gonna be epic.

Why? You've probably seen that dynamic a million times. What could you possibly gain from seeing it again with Green Arrow?

I like the idea of Ra's being so big and badass that he has plenty of talented LoA members that will come to Starling City to pursue his agenda. He doesn't necessarily need to hang out there in the city himself. I like the idea of him being a phantom that interferes with big cities all around the world.

The reactions will be mostly negative.

I agree. There is only so much they can take from Batman before people seriously start complaining.

Nobody wants to see a rehash of the Batman/Ra's dynamic but just with another character being substituted. Plus, it would only further push the idea that Green Arrow is just a poor man's Batman, which is something this show has done a really good job of avoiding this season.

I couldn't agree more.

First, I think we should all except the fact that Bruce Wayne doesn't exist in the arrow verse and so Ras won't have to respect jack all.

And you came to that conclusion based on...what?

And second, this whole Oliver is a poor mans batman may have been true in his early start in the comics but in this show he only has the following in common, is a billionaire and a crime fighter, that's about it.

And it would ring true here if they do as you suggest.

 

[Llama_Shepherd]

First, I think we should all except the fact that Bruce Wayne doesn't exist in the arrow verse and so Ras won't have to respect jack all.

And second, this whole Oliver is a poor mans batman may have been true in his early start in the comics but in this show he only has the following in common, is a billionaire and a crime fighter, that's about it.

Thirdly, this is Loosely based on the comics, they can take whatever liberties they want, maybe Oliver inspires Bruce to become a vigilante [oh the tears ], maybe Ras is gay for Oliver or whatever.

It's only loosely based on DC Comics but it tries it's damn hardest to be like a superhero flick produced by Chris Nolan, and using a villain and his organisation that appeared in 2/3's of the films he directed (that also happens to be the highest critically acclaimed and second most successful solo film series).

Then you can add in the fact that both heroes are regular Joe's, that also happen to be billionaire philanthropists, have a sidekick, operate out of a bunker, have a go to butler/chauffer, a tech guy/gal (but hey, Arrow's is at least CW hot people!).

So yeah, the series may as well be called "we can't afford Batman".

 

[DorneyDave]

No, if they hadn't actually name dropped Ra's, then that might have worked. But since they've been mentioning him by name, he HAS to appear at some point. The audience is going to want to see this guy and they'll be disappointed if they don't.

Yeah, Ra's is showing up, in season 3 most likely . I don't think it will be a successor storyline though, they'll be more creative.

 

[Sawyer]

It's only loosely based on DC Comics but it tries it's damn hardest to be like a superhero flick produced by Chris Nolan, and using a villain and his organisation that appeared in 2/3's of the films he directed (that also happens to be the highest critically acclaimed and second most successful solo film series).

Then you can add in the fact that both heroes are regular Joe's, that also happen to be billionaire philanthropists, have a sidekick, operate out of a bunker, have a go to butler/chauffer, a tech guy/gal (but hey, Arrow's is at least CW hot people!).

So yeah, the series may as well be called "we can't afford Batman".

You're a "joy".

 

[DrRocket]

The writers have expressed interest in using Batman and Nightwing. This means that at least in the minds of the writers, Batman exists in this universe. Plus, that wouldn't change the fact that they rehashed the Batman/Ra's dynamic but with Green Arrow as a substitute (assuming they go the "successor" route). As Llama_Shepherd said, they might as well rename the show to "We couldn't afford Batman."



And if they want things to stay that way, they should avoid rehashing the Batman/Ra's dynamic.



Doesn't mean it would be a good idea.

Warner/Dc won't let them use batman most likely, and besides ras isn't the kind of guy to just focus on one guy and only one guy, he can be anyone's villain without rehashing his and batmans history.

The only way it would really feel like a rehash is if Ras wanted Oliver as his successor which is unlikely.

Changing things from the comics is great, otherwise that is just rehashing what's on the paper and like that we would never get anything new and fresh.

 

[The Shape]

First, I think we should all except the fact that Bruce Wayne doesn't exist in the arrow verse and so Ras won't have to respect jack all.

And second, this whole Oliver is a poor mans batman may have been true in his early start in the comics but in this show he only has the following in common, is a billionaire and a crime fighter, that's about it.

Are you some kind of weird anti-Batman person?

The Arrow/Batman similarities don't stop there, if we want to be real about it. I mean, an episode or two ago, the Arrow literally hung a criminal upside down to shout at him and interrogate him in exact same fashion as Bale's Batman did in Batman Begins.

The point is this -- This should should avoid blatantly ripping off Batman stories by having the Arrow face and somehow defeat Ra's Al Ghul.

 

[godisawesome]

I'm really hoping Ra's does show up, goes out of his way to belittle Ollie, and then has to react and possibly bring Malcolm back to the fold when the emerald archer starts picking off his bodyguard.