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It was ok, would have been better if Felicty stopped her melodrama for a second, when she said "my Oliver" I wanted to puke, same when she had her crying moment in the dungeons, when are they going to realize that Emily is not that good at dramatic scenes? she is good at being awkward, like the scene when she threw her tablet, that was good, that is the Felicty people liked, not the crying mess they have created this season.

I liked that Ollie was lying, but it makes zero sense not to tell someone other than Malcom (like, oh, I don't know, Diggle for example) what he was planning. I know Oliver likes to keep things to himself but this is too much, is one thing not to talk about everything he went through those five years, is another thing not to tell your team your plan (seriously, what was he thinking?)

Best part of the episode was Katana, her fight with Maseo was well done and the ending broke my heart, something big considering I didn't really care about them as a couple during the flashbacks.

Arrow is better when it focuses on the action and the plots rather than the shipping.

I think it's kind of hilarious that the Arrow (and Flash) writers can so brilliantly write the romantic pairings that they don't care about, but the one that is supposed to be the main world ending romance of the respective show comes off as awful. I mean, in this episode, I really liked both Tatsu/Maseo and Roy/Thea (though the former was better), while Ollicity deserves to be renamed Illicity (this was not my original comment, but I typoed 'Ollicity' and found it amusing, so this is now my thing, because it makes me feel so ill that it feels illicit.)
 
I think it's kind of hilarious that the Arrow (and Flash) writers can so brilliantly write the romantic pairings that they don't care about, but the one that is supposed to be the main world ending romance of the respective show comes off as awful. I mean, in this episode, I really liked both Tatsu/Maseo and Roy/Thea (though the former was better), while Ollicity deserves to be renamed Illicity (this was not my original comment, but I typoed 'Ollicity' and found it amusing, so this is now my thing, because it makes me feel so ill that it feels illicit.)

Oh I agree, the less interest the writers have on a pairing, the better it works.

It's like they are obsessed with making the main couple super-hyper-mega epic and for them that means and endless "will they/won't they" (even though we all know they will) and once they accept their feelings they use some ridiculous excuse to keep them apart that makes their relationship more "angsty" and usually destroys the characters, making you wonder how could they have done this.

Meanwhile secondary relationships are treated like a normal thing between two people with its ups and downs that may or may not be forever and that makes them believable and that is why we can enjoy them.

I used to love Felicity and thought she was cute with Oliver, now, there are times when I wished they could send her away during some episodes. Illicity is actually a good name for them now, reflects how terrible they are as a couple written by the CW.
 
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So, that was something. Something bad, very bad.

On the positive side, although Katana's sudden reappearance made absolutely no sense whatsoever, she rocked an awesome looking costume. Probably my favourite superhero costume other than The Flash's costume. Seriously, the last time we saw her she was dressed like a hobo in the middle of nowhere. Now she's cool, calm and collected, rocking her very own superhero costume and happy to partake in all manner of heroics to save Starling City?

I didn't understand Maseo at all. It seemed that every episode he would switch between working against Ra's (i.e. saving Oliver) or being Ra's most loyal servant (i.e. trying to kill his wife). It was truly bizarre. I also didn't understand why he joined the LOA. Or why he would give the LOA a biological weapon which killed his son. Did he attempt to trade the biological weapon for access to the Lazarus Pit to revive his son? If he was that upset about the death of his son, surely it would have been better for him to dedicate his life to some charitable endeavour, to become a peaceful monk high in some mountains or even to kill himself rather than becoming an assassin and giving a bunch of murderers a weapon which would enable them to murder even more people!

I really didn't understand why Oliver would ever trust Malcolm after everything that Malcolm has done - sinking the yacht, destroying The Glades, indirectly killing Tommy, directly (albeit through Thea) killing Sara, emotionally and mentally manipulating (and arguably tortuing) Oliver's mum and Thea, etc. I mean really - what the? I get that John Barrowman is a likeable enough actor, but why would anyone ever trust a single thing that came out of Malcolm's mouth ever.

And their grand plan was what exactly? As heir, Oliver would somehow, miraculously destablise the LOA from the inside? How exactly? Buy everyone a puppy or a kitten and hope that they forget all about killing innocent people? Secretly murder Ra's and Nyssa in their sleep? Replace the water in the Lazarus Pit with acid and wait until Ra's takes his next bath? Sure, it's ludicrous enough that Oliver somehow survived being run through with a sword twice and kicked off the edge of a cliff, but how did he really plan to neuter the entire LOA with only Malcolm for assistance?

And I really wish they would bring back the original Felicity. The one who doesn't spend 90% of her screen time crying or moping about her endless love for Oliver. I'm over it. It's a disservice to both characters, but especially Felicity.

Also, Ra's is really gross. I get that he's evil and all that, but forcing your (only?) daughter who apparently identifies as a lesbian into marriage with a man and also planning to forcibly require her rape and impregnation by that man is distasteful. Really distasteful.
 
I agree, and this episode showed everything wrong with Arrow this season:

- Nonsensical plots, so now Oliver is also... psychic man! Laurel and Diggle stopping him from killing Nyssa, then Thea stopping him from killing Diggle was also part of his plan, yeah right, whatever Arrow... :whatever:

- Nyssa says she would rather die than marry Oliver, but then does nothing effective, making her weak in the process and ruining the character even more.

- They have also ruined Ra's Al Ghul, worst version of the character by far, outsmarted by a mediocre Oliver Queen, ouch!

- Ray transferring his company to Felicity because... he's leaving the show for the spinoff, not because it makes real sense.

Yes, yes and YES!

It is highly implausible that last week, Oliver magically manipulated events to ensure that none of his friends would die. Baby Sara could have easily died after being left alone. Lyla could have died if she'd tried to escape and fought any LOA member other than Oliver.

Oliver presumably would have killed Nyssa if Diggle and Laurel had not intervened. Oliver would have killed Diggle if Thea had not intervened. Anyone on Team Arrow could have presumably been killed by a LOA member during the warehouse confrontation, including Felicity (who I *think* was at the battle, even though she has extremely limited fighting skills).

And WTF Ray? I'm pretty sure you still need to be a billionaire to constantly replace and upgrade that magical suit of armour. Even if Ray only transferred ownership of what used to be Queen Consolidated (and kept the original Palmer Technologies/company), the Queens were apparently billionaires so that part of the company is worth billions! Or even if stocks have tumbled, hundreds of millions. Ray was always pretty ... odd in his grand gestures when it came to Felicity, but handing her a super-large fortune makes absolutely no sense. Especially when Ray was, at one time, planning on using Palmer Technologies to save Starling City as a means of honouring his fiancee who died during Slade's attack.

Where does this stuff even come from and why is there not a single voice of reason in the writer's room who questions these leaps of logic and the constantly inconsistent characterisation.
 
Ouch, the flaws in the writing are really starting to show :(
 
I sure the reason why Oliver told no one else of the "plan" is so if torture or force a truth serum the truth would have come out
 
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I sure the reason why Oliver told no one else of the "plan" is so if torture or force a truth serum the truth won't come out

Honestly, that's the only sensible part of the plan. Team Arrow are hardly skilled in the art of deception.

However it is somewhat laughable that the only reason that Ra's has the bio weapon is that Oliver literally went to Starling and fetched Nyssa, and by extension the weapon, with him. If he had jut turned on Ra's then, he could have prevented all of this.
 
Honestly, that's the only sensible part of the plan. Team Arrow are hardly skilled in the art of deception.

However it is somewhat laughable that the only reason that Ra's has the bio weapon is that Oliver literally went to Starling and fetched Nyssa, and by extension the weapon, with him. If he had jut turned on Ra's then, he could have prevented all of this.

How could of he have known Ra's had the Omega weapon or that Nyssa took it? This seems like a case of the viewer having more information than the character and saying why didn't they do this.
 
How could of he have known Ra's had the Omega weapon or that Nyssa took it? This seems like a case of the viewer having more information than the character and saying why didn't they do this.

Oh, I get that, I meant it was ironic or something. Funny because by trying to save his city, Oliver in fact doomed it.
 
Now that Felicity owns the company (whatever it is called at the moment), I'm sure she'll give it back to Oliver. The one thing I've seen lacking in this show is Oliver Queen and his business side. At least in the Nolan films, they showed Bruce going to the office (even if he was falling asleep in the meetings).
 
How could of he have known Ra's had the Omega weapon or that Nyssa took it? This seems like a case of the viewer having more information than the character and saying why didn't they do this.

Is this what we've been seeing lately with the viewers knowing more than characters in both Arrow and Flash?
 
Oh, I get that, I meant it was ironic or something. Funny because by trying to save his city, Oliver in fact doomed it.

Then my bad. It was a damned if you will and damned if you don't situation.
 
Then my bad. It was a damned if you will and damned if you don't situation.

It was on Nyssa. If she'd been smarter about hiding (or better yet, destroying) the virus, all this could have been avoided. It's a little sad, since I normally like her, but this was dumb as bricks.
 
Yes, yes and YES!

It is highly implausible that last week, Oliver magically manipulated events to ensure that none of his friends would die. Baby Sara could have easily died after being left alone. Lyla could have died if she'd tried to escape and fought any LOA member other than Oliver.

Oliver presumably would have killed Nyssa if Diggle and Laurel had not intervened. Oliver would have killed Diggle if Thea had not intervened. Anyone on Team Arrow could have presumably been killed by a LOA member during the warehouse confrontation, including Felicity (who I *think* was at the battle, even though she has extremely limited fighting skills).

While those are certainly valid criticisms, who's to say that Oliver wouldn't have flipped on the villains he was spying on at the very last second; as has been done countless of times in countless of shows?

I think, all this shows is that Oliver is very reckless and puts a lot of faith in his allies' abilities to get themselves out of tough situations; both of which I think the show has long established.
 
With Oliver now having no problems in resorting to murder as a means towards accomplishing his goal (he admitted that he killed that man that looked like Diggs to gain Ra's trust), does that pretty much negate most of his journey from Season 2 (not being a killer anymore)?
 
With Oliver now having no problems in resorting to murder as a means towards accomplishing his goal (he admitted that he killed that man that looked like Diggs to gain Ra's trust), does that pretty much negate most of his journey from Season 2 (not being a killer anymore)?

I'm not remembering everything perfectly, but while technically yes, it does erase all that previous journey's 'momentum', it can be easily overlooked and ignored by the rest of the cast because he only told Malcolm about it. [I don't agree, but that's how it will most likely go]

The thing that bugs me is it'll probably only take a few eps in to next season and everyone will be back normal again; ie, Oliggle & Lauriver friendships & Olicity. Oliver not trusting them with his faking his LOA membership and potentially harming them and their loved ones - let alone the whole 'wiping Starling City out with the A/O virus' - will be forgiven and forgotten.
 
The laziness of the writers is getting to the point where this show is becoming unwatchable, if it keeps this up then Gotham might have competition for worst comic-book tv show.
 
Katana cradling Maseo after their fight was possibly the best scene of the season. Maybe even the series.

Stealing this from Reek: Malcolm is like a gay, ineffectual Littlefinger.

I love that Malcolm and Laurel visibly disdain Felicity.
 
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Katana cradling Maseo after their fight was possibly the best scene of the season. Maybe even the series.

It just really shows how much chemistry and better acting skills that the actors portraying Katanna and Maseo have over the likes of other pairings (romantic or not) within this season. Despite not having much time together in the present day scenes, the two really knocked it out of the park and brought out the required emotion from that moment.
 
It was ok, would have been better if Felicty stopped her melodrama for a second, when she said "my Oliver" I wanted to puke, same when she had her crying moment in the dungeons, when are they going to realize that Emily is not that good at dramatic scenes? she is good at being awkward, like the scene when she threw her tablet, that was good, that is the Felicity people liked, not the crying mess they have created this season.
yeah well.....
I liked that Ollie was lying, but it makes zero sense not to tell someone other than Malcom (like, oh, I don't know, Diggle for example) what he was planning. I know Oliver likes to keep things to himself but this is too much, is one thing not to talk about everything he went through those five years, is another thing not to tell your team your plan (seriously, what was he thinking?)
yeah here's the thing it's as if the writers were making Oliver do this as pay back over the trick with roy about not telling him about it him being in a guilt trip position in a twisted way cause the writers have stated this they said they want people i team arrow having in fights cause it's interesting to them to us the fa base it look stupid & we know if thei was real life they would have people they are trying to protect killed when they have their arguments or ed up i fist fights over these types of these mistakes or the team will or should break up & there should be no excuse for it not to happen.


but the writers be forcing them to stay together despite what should happen. it's this was also done Diggle & felicity will look a bit like hypercrit's to a degree cause they pulled the same stunt prior with Roy the only difference is Oliver no matter what he claim's is terrible strategist cause he had a teacher like Waller who didn't teach him that or the worst way to implement them. and all that death stroke taught Oliver was combat not strategy

yeah making traps that will harm & capture people may seem like strategy but some how when it come to playing complicated plan like this where deep under cover is in use/ involved here where he was faking he was brain washing .. .

Left the others out of his plan their just not the same thing shouldn't be used as a jesture .


Right now all that's running through diggles head is that baby sara was left alone & his wife and mother of his kid were kidnapped. but what should be registering is Diggls set him self up for to happen again with those thugs cause he made absolutely sure they saw his face for them to remember who they want revenge on for putting them in the hospital when he botch one of their heists with the female vigilante he was with.

those people will do far worse the what oliver did who was with people whereit was hard for him to ot leave baby as she was aloe (yeah I'm ot happy about that situatio ether) this why I said he's terrible strategist but he's not the oly that hasn't been thinking straight this season ether all via the writers .


though the situation is they both left each other in the cold cause they had a plan that called for it to make it all look real. to the people they are trying to fool which were captain Lance with the Roy issue & Ra's of the more recent case in both these situation's so yeah sadly the hypercritical position will placed here with diggle & felicity just for strain perpose's/ reason. cause oliver when they finally told him after he felt guilty about roy's death he didn't feel like punching diggle for his plan that tricked him to make Captain Lance back off for it.


also I just remember this type of plot was use often where toy stark was involved with the iron man animated series & comic's as well cause he always had this thing where he didn't tell others of the team what he was planning during their mission's when he was leading any details of his plan were never relayed to them.


I mean the mid late 90's animated series .


where he had member of the force works Julia Carpenter AKA spider woman , hawkeye , war machine , scarlet witch etc. this happened often every one of his team always had heavy distrust issue's with him the difference was that tony was really bad a communication with others where with Oliver he picked up this bad habit cause of his parents & meeting waller


They also try to explore this with Iron man toy stark with the more recent earth's mightiest heroes but they said it was a nerd habit like what reed Richards has/ does where their so caught up in their work cause it's so fascinating & they forget other people are in the room instead of they don't explain what they're true platonic intention's are which cause's some like simon/ wonder man to take it wrong when his company is bought up thinking iron man will down size it & fire every one who works there including him self & he becomes wonder man via A.i.m. trying to kill tony stark when stark was always gonna allow Simon / wonder man to still run the company he owned formerly the way he always did.


The character that was on tony case for this was ant man hank pym for this habit in earth mightiest in stead of another crowd of a variation of the avengers

ay way the point is this was all doe cause as the writers said they want strain cause it excit's & entertains them
as they told ET online & it has use talking about it how ever I don't when they do it that the execution has us talking about what they wat us to talk about all the time as it isn't always done right which other shows have done with & they don't make their main characters look stupid to make the strain happen it's supposed to be the situation that make them make the mistake not them acting stupid prior before the bad situation happen's.

But anyways


Best part of the episode was Katana, her fight with Maseo was well done and the ending broke my heart, something big considering I didn't really care about them as a couple during the flashbacks.

Arrow is better when it focuses on the action and the plots rather than the shipping.
yeah she was the best part of this weeks episode with maseo the actor performece are always doe well despite the scripts


It's sad how it all ended up like this I wish they had sent the kid out of town even though they thought the inoculation would work . but I would want my kid to see die if it had worked with him . but I saw this coming for a while that it was the kid's death which was the reason why Maeso was with the league .
 
The laziness of the writers is getting to the point where this show is becoming unwatchable, if it keeps this up then Gotham might have competition for worst comic-book tv show.

Disagree with all of that. I don't think the writers are being lazy, and I don't think either show is that bad. So there.
 
Disagree with all of that. I don't think the writers are being lazy, and I don't think either show is that bad. So there.
Hmmm, it will be if they Don't address the mistake diggle made with the thugs which is likely or .should have a visit from those honor less people that will go after your family cause you made sure your face was infront of them before they passed out as you decked them to sleep & put them in ths hospitable.

I hope that's addressed this with him. that habit he has to make sure those people that are likly to have grudge might hunt him Down now & want to cause him pain as he did to them only worse. other wise that's what it come off as to people that the writers are ether lazy or overly neglectful


which most people think cause of what they did with Roy already like his back story they couldn't be bothered with cause their priority's were some where else.


I hope that's addressed.
 
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Ummmmm ... what?
that he went over board with the thugs at the start of the show made sure the he was punching got a very good look at diggles face should be terms for retaliation he's mad ow with Oliver but what all those people he put he jail but for get's he's showing them who he is too often ?

Especially with how felicity said he put them in the hospital with major injury's they will want pay back on him specifically for that & I hope it's addressed the him waling around with out a mask thing when he has a family has gone for too long & there's brick too. there alot that needs to be addressed .

It's looked over far too often with the writers of the show. they can find other members of team arrow cause of that mistake he4ad straight to his family if they ticked enough & smart enough when they get out.


now that he did that he there should be consequences some time later.
 
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