The "Little Things" You Appreciated/Loved Thread - Part 1

[manofsteel4life]

When I was watching MOS the first time.....I thought it was sad that Lara couldn't spend the last moments of krypton with Jor-el.....it was bad enough her baby is gone and now she's all alone, to face her death....that really hit me....

 

[BH/HHH]

/\ yeah that brought a bigger sense of tragedy to it aswell. Great scene. See it annoys me that Goyer gets ragged on for poor writing and yet he isn't praised for the moments he did to perfection like that moment.

 

[Micromind]

/\ yeah that brought a bigger sense of tragedy to it aswell. Great scene. See it annoys me that Goyer gets ragged on for poor writing and yet he isn't praised for the moments he did to perfection like that moment.

The writing was good but some scenes needed better writing...for instance..Pa Kent's death scene would have looked better if he had written that Clark was also busy saving some more people trapped at the time Pa Kent went back to car to get the dog, which would have avoided Clark just standing there watching and doing nothing.

He could have still added the later part where Pa Kent tells him not to come forward to rescue him.

 

[BH/HHH]

Some did but I just find it unfair Goyer gets hit at for those rather than praised for his good scenes. It just shows how critical people have become in the modern age. Most people are more glass half empty people rather than glass half full people.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

Well said Batmannerism! Cavill's performance truly made MOS a highlight for me. There were so many understated moments where he just shined without saying a word. One scene in particular is after Zod's message to earth when he's standing in the Kent house. Cavill's stance at that moment is so... "super". It's perfect, and when Martha drops the bowl of fruit he doesn't even flinch. Another moment is inside the scout ship when he's being confronted by the sentry. He raises his arms in a gesture that says I'm friendly...but you can also tell he's not afraid. There were a lot of moments like that, so I don't know why anyone would or could call that performance wooden. He brought a lot to the role, and that's undeniable for me.

I can't wait to see his Clark. If given the chance I think he can bring a new dynamic to the role that's as lovable and impressionable as Reeve's performance was.

Couldnt agree more with this, as I said, Cavill does things with his performance and that a wooden just wouldnt be able to pull off.

Hmmm...good question, Herolee. I think the CGI may have hurt poor Nam'ek. After the battle in SV, I realized that they didn't show the characters face. I started a game of find Nam'ek's face, but I lost. Not seeing his face diminished his menacing factor because he was...faceless.

You see his face at the start when Zod invades the council, though not close up.

When I was watching MOS the first time.....I thought it was sad that Lara couldn't spend the last moments of krypton with Jor-el.....it was bad enough her baby is gone and now she's all alone, to face her death....that really hit me....

Yeah that was a great scene, along with her speaking to Kal it was really heartbreaking.

/\ yeah that brought a bigger sense of tragedy to it aswell. Great scene. See it annoys me that Goyer gets ragged on for poor writing and yet he isn't praised for the moments he did to perfection like that moment.

Agreed, its like people focus on the bad stuff when completely ignoring great scenes like the one mentioned above. Whatever happened to giving credit were its due?

 

[Herolee10]

I think one of the other things that I really enjoyed in this film was how Cavil portrayed Superman/Clark feeling a bit....I'm not sure how to exactly word this.......nervous...when the Kryptonian ship came down to the desert to pick him up...along when he was walking towards Faora and Nam-ek in Smallville.

My apologies to everyone in advance if this doesn't make sense at all.lol The thing that I'm trying to get at, is that we see Clark take a deep breath as though he's nervous dut it being the first time that he's ever encountered situations/foes like these, but in the same time, he still faces up to the challenge.

I think it showed a very human element in Superman, while showing that courageous side of Superman as well that we're all familiar with soon afterwards.

 

[bluearth]

Some did but I just find it unfair Goyer gets hit at for those rather than praised for his good scenes. It just shows how critical people have become in the modern age. Most people are more glass half empty people rather than glass half full people.

I could easily rip apart almost any movie ever made. The Dark Knight is suppose to be the God Father of super hero films, yet I can go on and on about how 2face felt tacked on or how implausible it was for the Joker's crackhead 2 bit thugs to wire boats and buildings with explosives.

Thats why I dont like guys like nostalgia critic who make it their business to pick on movies, especially the good ones like Man of Steel.

Honestly, Ive been guilty of this too. When Pacific Rim wasn't what I wanted it to be (a somewhat deep, serious, adult mech film) I started to dwell on its negatives, and it was unfair to the movie, because it did alot of things right. As a fun, lighthearted summer film it filled the part perfectly.

I feel because alot of people didnt get the Superman they wanted instead of appreciating the film for all the things it did right they decided to instead only focus on anything it didnt do right. The thing is, alot of the criticisms are in some way valid, yet they were overblown while ignoring all the fantastic things Man of Steel did.

I think one of the other things that I really enjoyed in this film was how Cavil portrayed Superman/Clark feeling a bit....I'm not sure how to exactly word this.......nervous...when the Kryptonian ship came down to the desert to pick him up...along when he was walking towards Faora and Nam-ek in Smallville.

My apologies to everyone in advance if this doesn't make sense at all.lol The thing that I'm trying to get at, is that we see Clark take a deep breath as though he's nervous dut it being the first time that he's ever encountered situations/foes like these, but in the same time, he still faces up to the challenge.

I think it showed a very human element in Superman, while showing that courageous side of Superman as well that we're all familiar with soon afterwards.

I noticed this too, especially when hes approaching Faora and Nam-Ek. When confronting Zod at the end hes a bit cocky so it shows some changes in the character. I really appreciated this touch, alot of Cavil's acting was physical and I really liked it.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

I think one of the other things that I really enjoyed in this film was how Cavil portrayed Superman/Clark feeling a bit....I'm not sure how to exactly word this.......nervous...when the Kryptonian ship came down to the desert to pick him up...along when he was walking towards Faora and Nam-ek in Smallville.

My apologies to everyone in advance if this doesn't make sense at all.lol The thing that I'm trying to get at, is that we see Clark take a deep breath as though he's nervous dut it being the first time that he's ever encountered situations/foes like these, but in the same time, he still faces up to the challenge.

I think it showed a very human element in Superman, while showing that courageous side of Superman as well that we're all familiar with soon afterwards.

Yeah I picked up on this as well, a slight bit of hesitation and cautiousness, just showing he wasnt fully confident in himself yet. By the Zod fight though I think he was.

 

[FeedOnATreeFrog]

I thought he played everything pretty much perfectly.

 

[BH/HHH]

I could easily rip apart almost any movie ever made. The Dark Knight is suppose to be the God Father of super hero films, yet I can go on and on about how 2face felt tacked on or how implausible it was for the Joker's crackhead 2 bit thugs to wire boats and buildings with explosives.

Thats why I dont like guys like nostalgia critic who make it their business to pick on movies, especially the good ones like Man of Steel.

Honestly, Ive been guilty of this too. When Pacific Rim wasn't what I wanted it to be (a somewhat deep, serious, adult mech film) I started to dwell on its negatives, and it was unfair to the movie, because it did alot of things right. As a fun, lighthearted summer film it filled the part perfectly.

I feel because alot of people didnt get the Superman they wanted instead of appreciating the film for all the things it did right they decided to instead only focus on anything it didnt do right. The thing is, alot of the criticisms are in some way valid, yet they were overblown while ignoring all the fantastic things Man of Steel did.

Its the age of the internet unfortunately, everyone has a voice now. I always think back to that Simpsons episode where Homer became a food critic and he was saying how good everything was then the other critics had a go at him for it saying it doesn't sell etc and I think that's the mind set of some people. Its easy to find faults in anything and I agree stuff like Nostalgia Critic and Honest Trailers take it to an extreme but I think those two in particular do it for laughs.

 

[Batmannerism]

The writing was good but some scenes needed better writing...for instance..Pa Kent's death scene would have looked better if he had written that Clark was also busy saving some more people trapped at the time Pa Kent went back to car to get the dog, which would have avoided Clark just standing there watching and doing nothing.

He could have still added the later part where Pa Kent tells him not to come forward to rescue him.

Totally agree, a slightly better written scene and audience tears would
have been flowing all over the world. It just doesn't seem like there's a good enough reason for Clark not to step in. I too think that having him have to save more than one person, possibly even having to save Martha,
would have worked.


On another note. Jor El's reaction to being stabbed by Zod. I think it worked to have him show little reaction at all. He's not upset because he
knows that everyone on Krypton is already dead, himself included. His last look is upwards, as his son escapes. Maybe he could have smiled just for a second, who knows. Anyway, thought that was a much better death than Jonathan Kent's.

You do feel for Lara, especially as she doesn't get a post -mortem appearance via a command key. It would be a nice surprise if Kal meets his mother in the sequel (although I suppose with the command key and the escape ship gone into the phantom Zone, it's not likely to happen).
Who knows, maybe there's something of Jor El's AI in the crashed scout ship.

Still Diane Lane did a lot to establish the emotional centre of the film, as Superman's mom. After fending off the Kryptonian invaders, where does he go first, to check and see if his mom is okay. That's a nice touch.

 

[Herolee10]

I could go on and on about what I liked about this film.lol

I think another aspect that I liked was how the Military was used within the Smallville fight.

If I had to describe it, I'd say that I really enjoyed on how there were moments where Superman and Faora (along with Nam-ek) were all so caught up in their fight against each other, that whenever the Military landed a strike at them, it caught them off by surprised.

I mean it's bad enough that Superman had to deal with two highly trained kryptonian soldiers, but he also had to contend with the Military getting in the way. One of my favorite moments in particular is when Superman getting up from the ground, after having shot both Faora and Nam-ek with heat vision, Faora suddenly looks up in the sky which causes Superman to have a "Crap, I almost forgot about them" look on his face as he turns around and sees the Military getting ready to shoot at them again.

And this all brilliantly concludes with how the Military were shown slowly coming to a realization that Superman wasn't their enemy. The look on the soldiers' faces when Superman emerged from the rubble. It wasn't a instant realization that came upon them, but one that slowly crept up into their minds as he walk towards them. I even liked on how some were able to emit a sense of respect on their expressions towards Superman.

 

[FeedOnATreeFrog]

^^^I thought the military were handled really well in the Smallville fight as well. It's just intense to these guys thrust themselves into a situation where they have like zero chance of survival. I love the "good luck sir" over the radio after Hardy tells them to unload everything. Hardy's expressions of shock and fear, while still maintaining composure and doing his job (still willing to take out his knife after seeing that unloading entire clips on Faora did nothing) felt really heroic.

Also, I dunno if it's just me, but Jonathan's death gets me every time.

 

[Kryptonian Titan]

Finally got my younger sister to watch MOS (she wasn't fond of the character), and she loved it.

 

[manofsteel4life]

Doesn't it make you feel so good when that happens?....

 

[Kryptonian Titan]

Doesn't it make you feel so good when that happens?....

Surely it does.

 

[I SEE SPIDEY]

Finally got my younger sister to watch MOS (she wasn't fond of the character), and she loved it.

Awesome.

 

[charl_huntress]

Surely it does.

It's the little things...which is what this thread is about.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

I could go on and on about what I liked about this film.lol

I think another aspect that I liked was how the Military was used within the Smallville fight.

If I had to describe it, I'd say that I really enjoyed on how there were moments where Superman and Faora (along with Nam-ek) were all so caught up in their fight against each other, that whenever the Military landed a strike at them, it caught them off by surprised.

I mean it's bad enough that Superman had to deal with two highly trained kryptonian soldiers, but he also had to contend with the Military getting in the way. One of my favorite moments in particular is when Superman getting up from the ground, after having shot both Faora and Nam-ek with heat vision, Faora suddenly looks up in the sky which causes Superman to have a "Crap, I almost forgot about them" look on his face as he turns around and sees the Military getting ready to shoot at them again.

And this all brilliantly concludes with how the Military were shown slowly coming to a realization that Superman wasn't their enemy. The look on the soldiers' faces when Superman emerged from the rubble. It wasn't a instant realization that came upon them, but one that slowly crept up into their minds as he walk towards them. I even liked on how some were able to emit a sense of respect on their expressions towards Superman.

I love the whole Smallville scene, but the bold as the culmination of it was just perfect, as Superman slowly walks, still unsure what they think of him as they have their guns on him, then they slowly lower them and give him those looks of respect, to Hardy's line. It was just perfect. This may just be me but this scene and the others scenes of humanity's mistrust of Superman reminded me a lot of Birthright.

^^^I thought the military were handled really well in the Smallville fight as well. It's just intense to these guys thrust themselves into a situation where they have like zero chance of survival. I love the "good luck sir" over the radio after Hardy tells them to unload everything. Hardy's expressions of shock and fear, while still maintaining composure and doing his job (still willing to take out his knife after seeing that unloading entire clips on Faora did nothing) felt really heroic.

Also, I dunno if it's just me, but Jonathan's death gets me every time.

Its not just you, even though I know its a poorly written scene, the scream of anguish Cavill gives once Pa Kent is gone just gets me.

Finally got my younger sister to watch MOS (she wasn't fond of the character), and she loved it.

Awesome stuff .

 

[ConnorKon-El]

The lighting, the mood, the score, the editing, everything about the "We are not alone" scene is solid.

 

[jonathancrane]

The reveal of Zod's return; watching it again, it gave me goose flesh.

 

[Batmannerism]

The lighting, the mood, the score, the editing, everything about the "We are not alone" scene is solid.

Totally, that "You are not alone" was a shout out to classic sci fi from back in the 50's and 60's, hence the black and white.

Interestingly, if you take the message a step further, it was really intended for Kal, not for humanity. So the message is really telling him that he's not the last Kryptonian, and his people have arrived to reclaim him.

While the message appeared to be pitched at humanity, this is the obvious double-message. After all, the whole purpose of the message was for Kal to step forward, because clearly Zod shows that he sees humanity as a minor inconvenience, to be swept away. This makes sense, even without their powers, the Kryptonians' technology would have allowed them to take over Earth.

So, that was a very long way of saying, it was awesome. Just one more amazing thing about this incredibly underrated film !

 

[Batmannerism]

oh, and the hands on hips in the final flashback sequence, that was a shout out to the
old George Reeves Superman (black and white Tv show) I remember it from my childhood. Nice !

Lots of little touches in there that people don't appreciate. Had it on again in the background while cleaning the house. Sheer awesomeness.

It's a terrible shame Batfleck's broken his leg. Not because I'm sad about it delaying his appearance as Batman, but because it delays the next Superman film.

WB should re-think that and maybe have a Superman film in the meantime - golden opportunity ! Superman vs Brainiac and/or Luthor, the possibilities are endless.

Peace out Super fans

 

[bluearth]

Its the age of the internet unfortunately, everyone has a voice now. I always think back to that Simpsons episode where Homer became a food critic and he was saying how good everything was then the other critics had a go at him for it saying it doesn't sell etc and I think that's the mind set of some people. Its easy to find faults in anything and I agree stuff like Nostalgia Critic and Honest Trailers take it to an extreme but I think those two in particular do it for laughs.

What I find interesting (according to Rotten Tomatoes):

Fast & Furious 6 - Average rating 6.2 = 70% FRESH

Man of Steel - Average rating 6.2 = 55% ROTTEN

And theres more similar examples

Its quite obvious critics were harder on Man of Steel for whatever reason, just like how some fans of the character seem to enjoy attempting to pick it apart.

 

[I SEE SPIDEY]

I don't agree with the critics but I'm okay with them not liking it and I'm okay with the layman who didn't like it. I try not to obsess over that anymore. I have opinions about the reception of the film (I've told a poster in private on Twitter) but honestly my opinions would sound like sourgrapes and I don't want that.

In the end my thought is this, would I rather Man of Steel have 75% on Rotten Tomatoes like Superman Returns and me not like it or have it have 55% on Rotten Tomatoes and me love it? I think you all know which one Spidey would choose.